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Monkeyman 19:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Dealing with vandalism
Hi Litany. The procedure for dealing with vandalism can be found here: Vandalism. It's very well outlined and simple to follow. Monkeyman(talk) 21:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Serbophobia
Your opinion would be appreciated here regarding the non-deletion of the article Serbophobia. Thanks, Asterion 20:49, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes I've been there now, thanks for the tip. I see we have alot of the same POV, which is great! BTW really big thanks for the Barnstar, it was really great to have some response for the contributions and the NVOP I (we) stand for :) Thanks, Litany


 * Det heter vandalisme det hva du gjør på Kosovo wiki, Litany. Det har ikke du noe med Kosovo. Hvis du likker de serbene skriv på Serbia wiki. Men jeg vil ikke tillate deg eller noen som Asterion å vandalisere på Kosovo wiki. Jeg lover. Det er umulig å hindre meg! Jeg har nok tid, og ønske for å forsvare hjemmelandet mitt, på denne måte, også. Vi "ses" da...Ilir pz 14:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Så du kan norska, vad roligt! :) Tyvärr må jag säga att det är ganska tråkigt när du skriker och gapar att jag vandaliserar och borde blockas. Jag tror inte du förstår vad vandalism är för jag är neutral tillskillnad från dig. Har jag någonsin sagt eller hotat med att ”stoppa dig” så som du hotat mig? Tillskillnad från dig så vet jag att alla är välkomna på wikipedia så länge man följer NPOV regeln. Det är så patetiskt att du hänvisar mig till serbiska wikipedia bara för att jag bidrar med saker som inte går väl i hand med din fantasi verklighet. Du säger att du försvarar ditt land men du skadar det bara genom att förneka saker. Nationalism och extremism är inte rätt, någonsin. Ingen bryr sig om att diskutera mina saker på diskussions sidan, alla bara bråkar, så varför ska jag bry mig om att skriva där först. Nu har jag förklarat mig nog för dig. Jag lovar dig också att jag ALDRIG kommer låta extremismen vinna!  Jag har också gott om tid att vara på Wikipedia så du kan inte skrämma mig med att säga att du aldrig kan stoppas. :) Så det vore väldigt uppskattat om du blev mer öppensinnad och inte bedrev någon mera extremism. Tack! :) Litany

Translation: So you speak Norwegian, that’s great! :) Sad to say that it’s not so great that you scream and shout that I vandalize and should be blocked. I don’t think you understand what vandalism is because I’m neutral unlike you. Have I ever said or threaten you that I would “stop you” like you threaten me? Unlike you I know that everyone is welcome to Wikipedia as long as you follow the NPOV rule. It is so pathetic that to direct me to Serbian Wikipedia only because I contribute with things that don’t agree with your fantasy reality. You say you defend your country, but I can tell you that you will only harm it as long you deny things. Nationalism and extremism is not right, ever. Now have I explained myself more then enough. I also promise you that I will NEVER let any extremism win! I also got a lot of time to be on Wikipedia so you can not scare me with saying that you will never be stopped. :) So it would be much appreciated if you would be more open minded and didn’t continue any extremism. Thank you! :) Litany


 * Ilir / Ben uk / Mark ma or whatever alias you go by now. You do not own the article on Kosovo and you know that. Stop calling people vandals simply because we are trying to put the article in order and remove some of its heavy ALbanian extremist bias. Also, please learn some geography, as Andalusia is not in Chile, my friend. I really love your logic too: we are neither Serbian not Albanian, hence not "allowed" to discuss the subject but Serbs are not "allowed" to edit the article either. Got to love your democracy at work! Whether you like it or not, the Kosovo article is not ment to be a UCK mouthpiece. Regards, Asterion 00:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Kosovo
Hello Litany! Thank you for your contributions on Kosovo article. It is very hard to find foreigners who are interested, who know a lot, and are not biased concerning the Kosovo conflict. I made some small changes also, if you disagree, we can discuss them. Nice weekend to you too!


 * Thanks Gianni, it is always appreciated! :) I’ve loved the history, language and culture of Balkan (“former Yugoslavia”) since I was like nine years old, so it is a big part of my life. :) Many from “former Yugoslavia” find it interesting that I’m so well-read to history and social things. I love to discuss these topics. I saw you lived in Schwiez, where you born there?
 * I saw your contributions but they erased them. It’s sad that some people think they own the page, but what can we do? I didn’t know that the Albanians voted about the eastern part of Macedonia. This is really interesting. And of course both sides committed horrible crimes but it is almost like taboo to say to much about the Albanian crimes. Is Kosovo going to be cleansed? Serbs and Roma are not welcomed since they push for an ethnic clean Kosovo. NATO and EU must understand that there is so much nationalistic extremism in Kosovo but they are blinded. Not that I support the ethnic cleansing of Albanians in 1999 which was also horrible.
 * Sorry for the long answer. Keep up the good work! Ciao for now :) Litany

Thank you too for praising my work. I wasn't born in Switzerland, I was born in Slovenia and I lived there until I was 5, after that I moved to Serbia for two years, then I lived in Switzerland, then I went back to Serbia, then I spent one year in the US, and now I'm in Switzerland (the canton is called Ticino, the city Lugano). I moved a lot, but the good thing is that I got to live respecting so many different customs, and learning about many different ideologies, and afterall I got to study european history from numerous points of view.

Ciaozz! Gianni ita 20:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Great oppertunity to get these POVs. Yeah I know Lugano. Where in Serbia did you live? I'm lucky that I was born in this country, also to get many different POVs. Sorry to say but they still don't seem to like your editing. Didn't you have something, some source about the albanian voting in Macedonia? It would be great if you could put it there. What do you think about my last? I hope soon the article can reach a little higher standard, there is still to much POV there.
 * Ajde Zdravo! :) Litany

You know Lugano, how come? I love this city, it's like small NY in Europe, so luxurious, so many different nationalities, so beautiful...I lived in Belgrade, for 5 years. But the friends that I have there are the life long friends, so I go there every year. And I also visit Croatia almost every year, because most of my relatives are from Croatia (Zagreb).

I just saw that you can actually speak some of the languages from the Balkans. And that you like Burek, hahaha... You must have visited some country from these areas. Where did you go?

I didn't get to see your changes, I see some vandalism on the page, hopefully something is going to be done. I wrote to some people to lock the page and return to your version, because even without some small things that i would like to add, the previous version is by far the best version there is.

And I put some web sites, to prove the that this voting did take place. It's on the discussion page.

Vidimo se! Gianni ita 18:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I also like geography and ice hockey! I know your team in Lugano. :) Cool! Belgrade seems realy nice but a little rough. I plan to go there and Novi Sad in september.


 * Yes I've been to Croatia and Slovenia. In Croatia I've mostly been in Zagreb and Pula. I've meet my girlfriend in Zagreb, but her hometown is Pula. So I've been there both the whole summer 2005 and december/january. Now she lives with me in Sweden.
 * Haha yes, I speak some but it is pretty poor right now. Your grammer is pretty hard! ;) Acctually I plan to move to Zagreb in september to study the language. We could meet and eat burek near Jelacic perhaps? haha :)
 * Apart from my girlfriend, her family and friends, I know alot of people from "former Yugoslavia". I got (non-biological) relativs from (and still living) in Sombor. I got friends from Montenegro and Bosnia. Even my boss is Bosnian! :)


 * Thanks. I saw your websites. I'll put the info about it on "Kosovo" right now. The page should probably be locked but it's very complicated. It would be protected against vandalism but I still think it's alot of work to do to get it balanced. Maybe you have seen some of the other pages I've been working on? Look at Metohija if you want to.
 * Pozdrav Litany

Gde si, sta ima? Yeah, we are the best team in whole Switzerland. I agree with u about Belgrade. There is an unexplainable reason why some people just don't like foreigners, no matter where they are from, and it's like that in Montenegro also. Those people just make me sick. Are you refering to this kind of a problem when saying that Belgrade is rough. Yes, south slavic grammar is unbeleivably hard. I'm glad it's one of my mother tongue languages because i would have never be able to learn it otherwise. It's good that you can now practice the language with your girlfriend or does she speak Swedish? Are you studying Slavic languages in Sweden? I'll try to get to Zagreb this or next year, but right now I am very occupied with my studies (Economics). I'll also try to get to Belgrade for a few weeks during the summer(but I can't promise anything), so maybe I'll see you there! I know that there are a lot of ex Yugoslavians in Sweden and Norway, especially in Sweden, but the only ones that I've heard of are some mafia bosses, and that crazy guy that killed Anna Lindh, so it looks like from your message that not all of the Ex Yugoslavs are bad guys.

Thank you for putting some of the things I suggested. Unfortunately I see article being constantly changed by Serbian and Albanian vandals (well, actually even I was a vandal once, the first time I got to Wikipedia and I read the disastrous version about Kosovo, i was just so pissed off...). I liked your Metohija page, and I have to tell you that you know more about Metohija than I do. I know more about wars around the globe, conflicts...

Where do you get all the information about ex yu from, from the relatives?

Nadam se da cemo se nekako organizovati da se vidimo! Pozdrav familiji (mislim na Somborce i devojci! Gianni ita 20:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, sorry for the delay but I've been back to work and had not so much time for wikipedia and to answear you. I hope you are okey?
 * No not that i recall, I've just heard around that Belgrade has very high rate in crime and etc. My girlfriend has a friend living in Belgrade and she says it's "rough". I neither like that kind of people since I appreciate hospitality, but I also not like tourism. I like it when its unexploited. Thats why I like Croatia better by winter.
 * Haha da. The grammer is very hard. No I have not yet had the time to study Slavic language it here in Sweden but my girlfriend helps me now. Yes she also speak Swedish, she did study it at Zagreb University. Do you speak Serbian/Croatian "at home" or with your parents? Sorry if I ask but I'm really interested. Who of your parents is Serbian and who is Croatian?
 * Cool, either way we'll see each other. I hope I can stay in Zagreb from September and so on. We'll see when I can go to Belgrade, because I wanna go to Ohrid too. :)
 * Haha yes. Alot (ALOT) of ex Yugoslavia people here. Mostly Serbs, Bosnians and Montenegrins (and Croatians). Alot more then in Norway. After "Finnar" (Finnish people) this is the biggest immegrant group in Sweden. Sadly the Serbian mafia runs some big opperations here, but most people are nice. :) Do you know something about Swedish history?


 * Yeah, I agree with you about the article. You get tired of all extremism. Great that you liked it. I expanded the Metohija page a little. Do you like it?


 * I've got alot of info about ex Yugoslavia from relatives when I was young. Which gave me the interest but early on I started to find books and later on internet too provid me with information. Now it can never stop! :)


 * Hvala, I will send your regards to my family. And my girlfriend sends her regards back to you! :) I send my best wishes to your family.
 * Take care and good luck with your econimic studies. Litany~

Hej Litany, kul att se att det finns andra svenskar på Wiki som intresserar sig för Balkan (och som också anklagas för att vara en dold serb av diverse paranoida nationaister). Får hålla Kosovo-artikeln under uppsikt. Tyvärr tror jag inte att Ilir & Ferick kommer att ge sig i första taget. Egentligen är det inte such a big deal men jag tål inte människor som utnyttjar Wiki för att för ut sin politiska agenda. Det var därför jag började diskussionen (som ledde till att artikeln låstes, osv) och jag har för avsikt att se till att den nuvarande lösning respekteras.Osli73 20:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hej Osli73, desamma måste jag säga. Blev glatt överraskad när jag såg att du också kom från Sverige och dessutom precis som jag norr om Stockholm. :) Vilken förort är du ifrån? Jag är ifrån Märsta. Som sagt kul att du oxå intresserar dig för Balkan. Har du läst något på universitet rörande ämnet?
 * Ja tyvärr har jag kämpat länge mot Ilir och hans allierade för att hålla Kosovo sidan desstomer neutral. Du anar inte vilket jobb jag hade det i början då sidan var i ett katastrofalt underhåll och jag var ensam om att försöka driva den framåt från den pro-albanska stagnation den hamnat i. Kul att fler angagerar sig nu och jag är glad att vi är flera nu som orkar beskyddda den. Det är klart att den ska respekteras. Jag anser mig relativt passiv på Kosovo sidan numera men jag angagerar mig så mycket jag kan när jag ser att det spårar ur.
 * Finns det flera områden angående Balkan som du angagerar dig i? Litany 16:18, 27 Juen 2006 (UTC)

Greetings
Hello, Litany. I am interested in South Slavic and Germanic history, so I know a little on Swedish history. :) Note, please, that Ilir pz has acused you of being my sockpuppet. I think about leaving the discussion. I don't like nationalists' bickerings like Ilir pz is pushing on the article. There are plenty of more articles to deal with. Ilir pz cannot lead a war on the world like Nazi Germany did in 1937-1945. I have no nerve to fight misfortunate things like these, but the rest of wikipedia will witness his contributions.

Oh, and the part in the History section where it mentions that Stefan Nemanja would be Croat is strange. Where did you hear that?

All the best, my Norse friend! --HolyRomanEmperor 17:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi HolyRomanEmperor. :) Great, our history is really interesting (but Balkan history rules). Any specific period of Swedish history you find interesting?
 * Hahaha yes I know he thinks I'm a suckpuppet to everyone. But I coulden't care less about anything he says after what he has proven to be capable too. He dident even answear my reply to his talk page. I guess he realized how wrong he is.
 * Forgive me if I ask an insolent question but where do you come from? And do you live in Germany now?
 * No, I hope not. It would be sad if you would leave. We how not support nationalism and extremism should never give up and let that side winn. I can't keep up with the article to much anymore but I try to check it instead.
 * There was a program about "Kosovo today" on Swedish TV two days ago, interview both Serbs and Albanians. Really tragic to see what is happening there now.
 * Sorry but I have never made the claim that Nemanja was Croatian. I was very suprised when you said that. :) I must check the Kosovo page alot this weekend.


 * Take care and have a nice weekend my Slavic friend! Litany

Specific period? How about the Kalmar Union or the aqcuisition of Norway from the treatcherous (just kidding, lol) Danes. :)

I live in the World. I've never been to Germany, sadly. But I have been to Austria. Anyway, I am from Croatia; but I am currently in Serbia and Montenegro. I am descendent from the lesser nobility of Austro-Hungary (Habsburg monarchy), so I have a little blood of just every nation that lives there. :) --HolyRomanEmperor 18:31, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hahaha yes, you understand. Norway has never thanked us for "liberated" them from the Danes. haha ;) The dreams of a Swedish Empire again will never die! ;) Most of our history is pretty interesting. :)
 * Where are you staying in Serbia and Montenegro, what are you doing there? Which is you hometown in Croatia?
 * Haha so that is why you claim the throne of the Holy Roman Empire? ;)
 * I'm only Swedish, 100% (as far back as I know, 16th century), but I wish I was Balkan! :)
 * Take care my "sockpuppet" ;)- Litany

I am from Karlovac, the capital of our living defence for the Habsurgs against the Ottoman Turks, the Military Frontier. Yes; most people think that the German Empire was the successor of the Holy Roman Empire, but it wasn't. The Austrian Empire was. I'm staying in Zemun, Belgrade, Serbia. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Aha Krajina! :) Well the Austrian Empire is pretty much older then the German, but many refers to the Third Reich history.
 * How is it in Zemun? I wanna go to Belgrade, really really much.
 * How do I get to be a member of the History Wikiproject? Litany

Peace
HolyRomanEmperor, Litany: the revert war is going too far. I can guarantee you that from my side, I am ready to continue with this as long as it takes. Is it worth? no. I propose we go further with a more constructive work and calmer heads. Let us discuss articles we are gonna cite, thoroughly, and in the talk page. Do not just revert. I can try to do that as well. Try to use your influence with the other reverters that revert according to your taste, and I will do the same with "mine" and we get to compromise. Otherwise, this is getting nowhere, and we are wasting time. It might be late one day, as we will get in a crazy revert-loop that we won't be able to get out of. Kindly, Ilir pz 22:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I hope you really have changed attitued but the templates on your user page may talk for it self. I can guarantee you too that I will continue fight against extremism, of any kind. I hope you understand that the Albanian extremism you are contributing with are not any better than the Serbian others are contributing or any extremism at all. Do you find me a serious threat just because I not support extrem nationalism? I must revert the Kosovo page sadly since you delete very important information but I agree with you on other things about the page. See Talk:Kosovo for explanations.
 * You have previously not answeared my reply on your talk page nor on the Kosovo talk page. I hope we could work something out as always. There is no news about that. My best, Litany

Kosovo
See: Talk:Serbia --Hipi Zhdripi 19:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * What?? It makes no sense. Litany

Heissan. Here is the fact that "the Euro is the official currency in Kosovo." . It is an EU official website on Kosovo. Do not revert please, and do not add a comment about currency and add the emblem of Serbia in addition. Thanks for understanding. Best, ilir_pz 20:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I did not know that you did not know that you reverted that part in Kosovo article. Why do you get frustrated asking ironic questions instead? Can't you just explain? ha det godt.ilir_pz 20:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry it was a mistake but I was not that frustrated. :) But it is always with this understanding bit. We all need to understand better. Ha det bra Litany 21:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

History WikiProject
It's rather easy. You just add yourself to the list at WikiProject_History and place a membership template at your user page, like found on my user page.

I must warn you that Belgrade has it's advantages and is a European city with the proper usage of the word (the only one in the state/country), however, you must know that it is actually a very messy city. Having a population of over 2,000,000 split in a very disordered (socialism!) manner, a gigantic amount of pollution because of all the heavy and backward industry and the lack of vegetation as well as a big part of it being very, very dirty make it a rather lousy City. Also, by some weird coincidence, the Belgrade with the surroundings (except for Kosovo) is the least advanced part of SCG. Zemun, on the other hand, is a change. The Austrians have ruled here, making it quitte nice when compared to Belgrade proper. It's a lot cleaner, contains some vegetation and numerious historical & cultural monuments. Plus, it's rather small, making it an altogether very nice part of the City. Regards! --HolyRomanEmperor 21:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, and see Kosovo. There you'll notice that both Kosovo and Kosovo-Metohija are international. Cheers. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:59, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

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What happenned? Why so quit suddenly? Did I scare you with my description of the city? :(

I'm not sure why you added the Montenegrin language template. Note that it's only a minority dialect in Montenegro and it isn't recognized by any faction as indistinct from the Serbian language (much in the manner of Kosovo from Serbia :) --HolyRomanEmperor 20:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * What? No, no, no! If you wonder why I diden't answear yesterday I can tell you I was too tired after work and had too spend some time with my girlfriend. :) You also had to follow up other contributions. :) Your description of Beograd diden't scare me, I still wanna go there. I've heard so much about the city, good and bad, so it was no news. I also heard so much better things about other Serbian towns that I want to visit, like Novi Sad, Sombor, Subotica and Nis. :)


 * I assumed I had too explain that template some time. I diden't accept any other langueges then the Serbocroatian for a very very long time. But for about a year ago I accepted that there is more then dialects. I have both Serb and Montenegrin friends. The Montenegrins think they are their own people but that is their opinion.


 * Take care - Litany

Actually, the majority of the Montenegrins speak the Serbian language. On the last census, 23% of the citizens of Montenegro speak the Montenegrin language; this includes not only Montegrins, but Albanians, Bosniaks, Croats and Muslims too. Additionally, the Montenegrin language isn't standardized in the ISO manner like those four as an independent language, so that's why I call it unnecessary (at least until the Montenegrin language is created).

Anyway, it's your choice, my friend. :))) --HolyRomanEmperor 15:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, even by asking my friends about it, they seem confused about the issue. :) Acctually I can tell you that you can't have the template with Serbocroatian language -1. Its not working on my site so I will just keep it as it is. Just not to exclude any language (which are baisicly dialects).


 * I'm joining the Wikiprojekt History now. :)
 * Take care, Litany

Desecrated churches in Kosovo
Hi Litany, I am thinking about starting an article on this matter (sort of mid term project as I am really busy with non-wiki life at this point :)). Thanks for your recent edits in the Kosovo article. I have a book published by the Australian Polish Review, called Crucified Kosovo, covering the issue up to year 2000. I found a website under the same name if you want to check it out: . Cheers, Asterion 12:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Asterion, that sounds like a very good idea. Yes I've been to that site before but I read it again. We need more information about the desecrated churches after 2000 too (read the unrest in 2004). That crime against all humanitys historical and cultural heritage should be revealed here on wikipedia. Have a nice holiday, Litany

Kosovo
It needs a full revert. He's knackered the reference template with his outdated rollback. Links do not work anymore and some quotes are missing. Off to bed. Good night, Litany. Asterion 23:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

again Kosovo
This Hipi Zhdripi has me really scared. That's why I have abandoned editing Kosovo. However, I ask you to view Talk:Kosovo. I think that those changes are POV. All the best! --HolyRomanEmperor 20:39, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * How did he scare you, HRE?Ilir pz 16:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, yes. How??? He is very bad in English (and possibly deranged but still he is mostly provocative)... Litany


 * Oops, I did not ask you, Litany. Was that a mistake you made? :)))))Ilir pz 17:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hahaha no Ilir. Of course I asked HRE, isen't that obvious? You made my day (again). Thanks Litany

Apologies
Hey there,

It seems we got into an edit conflict when changing the infobox on Kosovo. Strange, because I didnt receive any warnings! My remarks were of course aimed at Dardanv. I have reinstated the correct version, including the changes you made.

Sorry and cheers, The Minist   e   r of War   (Peace) 15:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I saw it now. A simple mistake but I figured it out that you were aiming to Dardanv. No problem. :) Regards, Litany

revert war
you are fueling the revert war, man. Don't complain later if you get flooded by Hipi or some alike. You are asking for it. You are going to miss my neutral edits :))))Ilir pz 16:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * We should be getting his sockpuppet's edits (Dardanv's) instead. The guy was so fool he did not realised he was logged in with the wrong account. By the way, Litany, if you can keep an eye on one of the last stub articles I have created, Gjakmarrja, it would be great (this is part of his campaign of Wikistalking). It seems that our young friend Ilir has taken an unhealthy interest in removing sources (i.e. UNHCR and UK IND reports) from it. Regards, Asterion 18:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not wanting that revert war! The situation is sad but true. But please cant you maybe talk with your country men then? Litany


 * So you admit that Kosova is a country? you are improving slightly :)))) Sorry, but I am in a good mood,Ilir pz 18:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Have I ever claimed that Kosovo is not a country? I dont speculate in the future. Litany


 * He does not even live in Kosovo, which is funny...


 * pure speculations and personal attacks..all ignored...Ilir pz 18:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * So you are back in "the old game", reverting to versions that you think are correct, without discussing at all, right? Nice Litany, I thought you were more understanding than this. Don't panic when you get the same reaction afterwards, by Hipi and alike. Ha det godt,Ilir pz 21:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Haha. So I'm back in the old game? Hey lets not forget who supported Hipi with some barnstars and stuff! Who was that? You can stay calm, I never panic. The reverting and addings I did was very much needed. Må väl, Litany

HRE
Hi Litany, HRE's RfA was restarted because of Hipi. All votes null and void and need casting again. HRE has been under a hell lot of pressure and has considered abandoning. Please consider showing him your support in his talk page. Thanks, --Asterion talk to me 18:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

St. Mark's Church
The article is at St. Mark's Church and it was written by User:Krytan, though I did correct the spelling and grammer. --estavisti 06:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Kosovo
Please share your comments with me over there. --HolyRomanEmperor 22:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

your "facts"
Hi Litany, I see you are back, refreshed and ready for revert wars. I encourage you to reconsider. As that is not the most civilized way. You say that what you wrote in the Demographic History of Kosovo are facts. Facts based on what? I will keep reverting speculations, and something that you do not REALLY back with facts. (i.e. facts=sources, sources=unbiased sources) Hope you understand. Come back with real facts, I would look forward to seeing them. We need such. Until then, I will have to remove your speculations. Ilir pz 18:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Ilir! Not heard from you for a long time, I hope you are okey? Haha if you think I'm refreshed I'm happy. :)
 * You seem to like revert wars when its not uncomfortable "facts" to your point of view.
 * Dont you worry. I have alot of material from a historian from Sweden who lived in Kosovo during the 60's and 70's. I'm going to have a new meeting with him soon, sorry, but we have more to discuss about former Yugoslavia then just Kosovo.
 * I am still waiting for you to answear two of my old replies on ypour talk page (maybe one was on the Kosovo talk page). I dont know what to say, I'm not sad but I start to figure that you dont want to answear?
 * And dont please leave you personal opinions here. I also have strong personal opinions about Swedish politics but I dont provide them here. Thanks for understanding. Litany


 * As I thought you were refreshed, seems like you didn't. Instead I can notice even more confusing comments coming from you. Comfortable or uncomfortable please provide FACTS, which have a credible and unbiased source attached to them. None of the facts could be uncomfortable to me, as I did not mistreat anyone in my life, and I do not take collective responsibility. Looking forward to hearing from you about the credible source that you have found. If you could refresh my memory, what your two questions directed to me were, I would appreciate it. What personal opinions did I leave here?! you are confusing me with your confusing comments. Ilir pz 19:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Not only two questions but two replies. Read your talk page and you will maybe see.
 * Yes, I belive you have much to learn from this neutral source I soon can provide.
 * Just as you are confusing me. Litany


 * My eyes are open wide, and I am excited about that (so much advertised) source. Hope it is a reliable one. My talk page got rather long. If you could repeat your questions, which seems like you care to know my opinion a lot about, I would appreciate. Oh and, the Demographic page, please don't be pushy, get your facts, and then we see and analyze it if it is reliable enough to be included. One thing I am very curious about, the claim about Gorani's..where do you get that? I live in Prizren, how come you from Sweden see them suffering more than me that I see them everyday?! Ilir pz 01:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I've answeard on the Demographic talk page. Sorry but I dont have the time now, but the next time. I just find it pretty sad that you dont find it interesting or comfortable to answear replies from other users.
 * Look here, http://www.realitymacedonia.org.mk/web/news_page.asp?nid=1981 and http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-gora/index.php
 * - Litany 17:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Where are you?
Where have you been these past few days? --HolyRomanEmperor 20:04, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry I have been busy with various projects and I have been working alot during theese days. So much to do and so little time for wikipedia sadly. But I think it will be less work during the summer so I will have some time now for Wikipedia. I saw you requested me to look over your comments on the kosovo talk page. Any specific?
 * Did you get your adminship? Take care - Litany 17:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Demographic history of Kosovo
Sorry, Litany. I have not read much about the subject. I will read it tomorrow anyway, in case I find any obvious NPOV issues. Please have a look at KLA. I think I have done a good job reflecting all POV but leaning towards no one as expected from an encyclopaedia. I am having problems with Ferick as he insists on removing some external links. Your input would be appreciated. Regards, Asterion talk to me 17:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay, Litany. I read your copyedit and I agree with them. Unfortunately, some people are too "interested" in the article to let anything that contradicts their vision of the world to stay. On a different matter, I would appreciate your opinion on the ongoing discussion at Talk:Kosovo on the intro text, if you could spare a second. E    Asterion  u talking to me? 20:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Litany, It is not really a vote. We are trying to work out a compromise version. Please check the last few paragraphs, we have been working on four or five different vesions but each one is based on their previous version. At the moment, we are waiting for Ilir to get back to us with his thoughts (to be honest, I'm a little concerned about him as he hasn't given any signs of life recently and that's really unusual for him). Regards, -- E   Asterion  u talking to me? 00:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Adminship
...yeah, but I refused it. I dropped the whole wikipedia, AFAIC. Too many bad people to handle. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Odgovor
E znaš šta, da se ne zajebavamo, drugima možeš pisati da si Šveđanin, ali ja nisam od juče pa da mi to prodaš. Očigledno je da te mape stavljaš tamo da bi provocirao Albance, a evo ti jednostavno naučno objašnjenje zašto te mape tamo ne pripadaju: ako pišeš o istoriji nekog regiona onda u taj članak treba da staviš mape koje prikazuju taj region sa svojim granicama. Mape koje si stavio ne prikazuju Metohiju sa svojim granicama. Po tvojoj logici možemo tamo staviti i mapu Evrope i napisati da je Metohija u Evropi, ali to se jednostavno ne radi. Ako baš hoćeš nacrtaću novu mapu Metohije i staviti je u članak da završimo ovu besmislenu diskusiju. PANONIAN  (talk)  19:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hahahahaha. Panonian, I am amused but also concerned about your attack. I dont speak your language that well so I got it translated. Hint? I am very much Swedish but I am devoted to Balkan. But I probably lie about that too, right? ;)

You were (as I got it) very hostile and with no reason since I have never done you anything. I started a friendly discussion. About that Metohija and Europe map you exaggerated. The maps I provided have a historical value and will do so forever. If this makes you feel more important I am happy for you. Good map. Ajde cao Litany 09:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I was probably in bad mode that day. Do not take it seriously. However, there is still question why most of the Wikipedia edits of one Swedish are about Kosovo. My logic tell me that something is wrong there, and I just do not like much when people lie about their identity. But if you are Swedish then you should be more cautious about edits in one such sensitive question such as Kosovo. The fact that Albanians from Kosovo want independence does not mean that you should reject some scientific principles and to post into these articles maps whose only purpose is to remind Albanians that they once lived in the countries which enslaved them. I am Serb but I fully understand Kosovar Albanian point of view regarding Serbia. As for these maps, I wrote that to you in Serbian but I will repeat that in English: if you write about one territory then you should post there only maps which show that territory with its own borders. Two maps that you posted do not comply with this principle. If any of these two actually showed Metohija with its borders within Serbia-Montenegro or Montenegro, I would not object. But to post only maps of these two countries with no borders of Metohija shown is not a science at all. PANONIAN   (talk)  00:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * E bre brate, zamalo da me prevariš sa tvojim odgovorom. Ali ne, nisam ja od juče. :))))) Nice link dont you agree: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serbs&diff=57750296&oldid=57747301 PANONIAN   (talk)  01:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Now that is what I call a great observation, Panonian, I congratulate you. ilir_pz 12:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course do not take my post as offence or attack. It is simply an observation. If you need my help about any article or need any new map, just ask. Have a nice day. PANONIAN   (talk)  01:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hahahahaha. Sorry Panonian but I find this a bit amusing. :) No I dont take this as an offence. I dont know what I should do to confirm you that there is no Balkan blood in me! :) My father is "full blooded" Swede from Skellefteå and my mother is "full blooded" Swede from Märsta. :)
 * About the link (Serbs in Sweden) I was joking and referring "We" to "Sweden" as I am a Swede. :) Sweden is a part of the Serbian Diaspora like the Bosniak Diaspora. You know it lives atleast 150 000 people from Croatia, Bosnia and Hercegovina, Serbia and Montenegro in Sweden. Sorry but I am not one of them. :)
 * I dont know why you are so suspicious to me? Because I edit on the Kosovo page? Or because I like Burek? :) Balkan and its history is my passion. Not so strange maybe?


 * Okey, I agree with you about the maps, but still the maps has historical value as long they are under the history section. But no need to argue about that now. I understand that people have a special point of view because of war and crimes commited to them, but that should not reflect . I dont like to provoke and I dont like people that do either. And I dont like nationalism or propaganda. The minority rights dosent only consern the Serbs in Kosovo. I've meet all to many here who neglects the questions about that (and alot more). How much the Albanian population even whant it we should never let them erase the historical facts about other people in Kosovo (that's the exact same thing Milosevic wanted to do with the Albanians).


 * I think your maps are exquisite, what program do you use? I am thankful for your help and I can tell you that I am not offended. :) If you want any proof that I really am Swedish and get to know why I am so interessted in Balkan you could send me an email and/or add me on MSN. I would glady have a discussion with you about Balkan. I bet you have alot informaton to contribute me with. Until then take care. Best regards - Litany 17:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not suspicious to you, I am suspicious to everybody (until proved otherwise of course). If you work here too much with people from former Yugoslavia you will become suspicious too. Regarding my maps I use Photoshop, but I have large collection of about 10,000 maps, so I use those as a source for the maps I create (You cannot create such maps if you do not have good source for them). I have email, but I do not use it much (last time I checked there was about 400 spam messages there, and I really hate it). If you want to discuss with me about something, my talk page on Wikipedia is best place for that (I check it every day). PANONIAN   (talk)  22:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

That Litany is not a Swede, I knew that for a long time now, Panonian :))) Somehow Osli73 is also a swede...this guy is just...hehehehehhehe...ilir_pz 11:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It is great that everyone else here on Wikipedia knows my nationality since I dont do it. HAHAHAHAHA ;) Litany 14:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a disgrace...
What sort of person carry a gun to a wedding? -- E   Asterion  u talking to me? 15:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Asterion, that is a common feature of Serbs and Albanians. Not only on weddings, but on all other similar celebrations people carry guns and usually shoot to the air to celebrate the event. Seems that these Albanians had to shoot to somebody else instead of air. :) PANONIAN   (talk)  02:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It reminds me of Kusturica's Black Cat, White Cat :o) I just feel sorry for the Brits... rented Zastava Skala and BG plates, invitation to disaster. By the way, if you could expand my Skala stub I would really appreciate it. I also noticed you have a camera: Some images would be wonderful (he, he, I have to ask someone ;-)) E    Asterion  u talking to me? 11:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Tradition or not, I think it's pretty sick to fire at people. And for what? I assume because they thought it would be Serbs in the car. A large number of weapons are still among the civillians and is of course a threat to peace. The UNMIK must do more and collect the weapons in this instabil region. Litany 19:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Yo
Revert warrior you are, I advise you to check the sources I provided and stop carryign this nonsense, as I guarantee you that you will get nowhere with this attitude. No matter who you are, call on your senses. Regards, 11:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Det er så klar at du er ikke fra Sverige, så du kan bare slappe av og ikke lyve mer. Du er bare en nasjonalist som bare sier at du er fra Sverige. Panonian vet det, og han er ikke den eneste :)))). ha det, ilir_pz 11:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Who started the reverting? Come on Ilir! :)
 * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Du är så jävla rolig fast du är tragisk Ilir. Ja du är ju inte ensam om att tro detta blaj dessvärre. :P Det spelar ingen roll om du inte tror att jag är svensk för jag bryr mig verkligen inte om vad du är för något.
 * From now on there will be no more feeding trolls.
 * How about start working with the articles instead of spreading your false propaganda. Just a tip. ;)
 * Sköt om dig - Litany 12:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hello
Well, no, it's a rephrasel of something similiar that User:Osli73 said. I would like to add, however, Montenegrins can't stand being Serbs, though. :) --HolyRomanEmperor 08:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

3rr warning
Please don't edit war; certianly don't break WP:3RR. Its liable to get you blocked William M. Connolley 18:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Kosovo
Litany - the admins have enforced an agreement on the Kosovo article. You have no more need to be involved into that conflict and further taint your reputation - if the side opposing you rv back to their version, it will only look worse in their image - since they don't accept compromise. Compromise has been achieved; leave the POV-pushers and edit warriors to be handled by the administrators - you don't want to join them, do you? --HolyRomanEmperor 17:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Mediation time on Kosovo
I don't think we're getting anywhere with the Kosovo introduction, particularly since Ferick has openly rejected WP:NPOV and is now refusing to discuss sources. Accordingly, I've submitted a request for mediation. Please indicate on that page whether you consent to having the matter mediated. -- ChrisO 09:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I will look in to it. -- Litany 17:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Ferick RfC
I've posted a user-conduct request for comments on Ferick following his latest bout of edit-warring - it's time to put an end to it. Please feel free to add your comments at Requests for comment/Ferick. -- ChrisO 01:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

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Srebrenicamassakern
Hej!

Våra vägar korsades i samband med arbetet på Kosovo-artikeln innan sommaren. Som du kanske minns var problemet där att vissa kosovoalbanska skribenter använde artikeln för att för fram en politisk POV, inte direkt genom felaktig information utan genom ett selektivt urval av information (så förresten att du fått medalj för detta av Asterion, bra jobbat).

För en tid sedan råkade jag läsa artikeln Srebrenica massacre och märkte att även denna artikeln led av liknande problem: huvudsakligen korrekt information men ett mycket selektivt urval. Jag har försökt rätta till detta genom att skapa en mer neutral text, både vad gäller ordval och urval. Problemet är att samtliga övriga skribenter själva är bosniska muslimer med, försåeligt nog, en mycket emotionell inställning till denna artikel.

Problemen finns främst i följande delar:
 * antalet dödade: där man ex pushar för den bosniska regeringens egna siffra på 8,400 dödade och antyder att det är fler när ICTY anger 7-8000 och vissa andra använder ordval som "almost 8,000". En detalj, men indikativ av inställningen
 * 1.1.2 Struggle for Srebrenica: man vill helt utesluta information om att de attacker som leddes av ledaren för Srebrenica enklaven, den av ICTY dömde Naser Oric, ledde till serbiska dödsoffer samt att de hämdkänslor som detta gav upphov till kunde ha haft något med massakern 1995 att göra trots att flera källor bekräftar detta
 * 3.2 Role of Bosniak forces on the ground (UN conclusions): här använder man sig av ett mcyket långt citat ur en FN rapport när den istället skulle kunna kortas ned. Inga alternativa tolkningar (exempelvis den från holländska regeringens utredning av massakern, den sk NIOD rapporten).
 * 3.4 Serb casualties around Srebrenica: här väljer man att enbart presentera de siffror som en Sarajevo-baserad grupp plockat fram (inget fel med den egentligen). Jag föreslår att man presenterar de siffror som ICTY själva har presenterat samt att nämna de som vissa serbiska källor plockat fram (samtidigt som det sägs att vissa av dessa inte nödvändigtvis är tillförlitliga). Jag förslår även att man nämner kopplingen mellan dessa förluster och attacken och morden i Srebrenica 1995.
 * 4 Denial of the massacre, revisionism and scepticism: här väljer man att måla alla med en alternativ syn eller tolkning av massakern som "revisionists" eller "genocide deniers", för att på så vis styra tankarna till "Holocaust deniers" och "Holocaust revisionism". Människor, som ex Lewis MacKenzie, den kanadensiske FN generalen 1992-93, som har en alternativ tolkning av orsakerna till massakern smutskastas med anklagelser om att han är en "concentration camp rapist" och dylikt (vilket har visat sig vara en del i en smutskastningskampanj).
 * 7 Further reading: här väljer man att smutskasta den nederländska regeringens utredning av massakern (den sk NIOD rapporten)
 * 9 External links: även här presenteras kritiska (eller vad som uppfattas som kritiska) med negativa epitet. Man länkar också till en blog (Srebrenica Genocide blog) som drivs av User:Bosniak (vilket han säger på sin hemsida).
 * Copyrightproblem: stora delar av texten (främst den som beskriver massakern) är direkt kopierade ur ICTYs dom i fallet Krstic. Det påstås att ICTY domslut tillhör "public domain" men jag har inte sett några bevis för detta. Jag är även lite osäker på hur det ligger till med flertalet av de bilder som finns i artikeln

Som väntat har mina försök att skapa en mer NPOV artikel lett till att jag blivit anklagad för att vara "Serbian ultranationalist", "leftist revisionists", Milosevic-anhängare, etc. samt diverse andra personliga attacker. Jag har vid upprepade tillfällen förökt få fram en kompromiss, vilket helt har avslagits.

Jag undrar nu om du har möjlighet att ta en titt på artikeln och se vad du tycker. Här är den version som de övriga skribenterna förordar. Har du kontakt med någon/några andra skribenter som du tror skulle kunna vara intresserade av att rätta till denna artikel skulle jag uppskatta om du kunde kontakta dem.

Med vänlig hälsning Osli73 08:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Har du haft någon möjlighet att ta en titt på artikeln?Mvh Osli73 23:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sorry. Självklart läste jag först nu att du flyttat till Kroatien. Trevligt såhär i begynnande hösten. Hur som helst, tacksom om du kunde ta dig en titt på mina kommentarer ovan. Som du själv skriver, Wiki borde inte vara ett nationalistiskt forum, vilket jag tycker är fallet vad gäller artikeln om Srebrenicamassakern. Känsligt ämne, men det betyder inte att det inte kan behandlas korrekt och sakligt.Osli73 23:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration request on Kosovo
Dear Editor, since you have been involved in editing the Kosovo article in the last months, and that article has been the subject of long ongoing edit wars, your name is listed in the Request for Arbitration on this matter. You can make a statement here: Requests_for_arbitration. Due to the large number of editors involved, however, I would to ask you to keep your statement concise and to the point. If you feel you have not been substantially involved in the disputes surrounding the Kosovo article, please do not remove your name from the Arbitration request, but rather make a short statement there explaining why you feel you have not been involved enough to be part it. To understand my reasons for requesting Arbitration, please read my statement on the Requests for Arbitration page. Best regards, Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 10:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Kosovo
Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Kosovo. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Kosovo/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Kosovo/Workshop.

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Temporary injunction in the Kosovo arbitration
For the duration of this case, any of the named parties may be banned by an uninvolved administrator from Kosovo or related pages for disruptive edits.

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Flags and coats
Well, what you read about this was wrong because Constitutional Court did not stated that flags and coats itself are discriminating and that they must be changed, but the clause describing usage of these flags and coats is found to be discriminating. For example, the clause that speak about symbols of Republika Srpska say that those are "the symbols of the Serb people" and that is what was found discriminating for Bosniaks and Croats. The clause would be probably changed into the one which say that those are "the symbols of the Republika Srpska" thus representing all its citizens, not only Serbs. The flags and coats itself will not change, however. PANONIAN  (talk)  14:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Shining (band)
Thanks for your note. My primary concern with the article is simply that this band is not notable. I am not familiar with black metal, and certainly not the even tinier world of Swedish black metal. But it seems to me that this article (as written) has a very difficult time living up to WP:MUSIC. Here are some things to consider: Of the existing sources, one is essentially a blog, anotheris basically a fan site, and the third is the band's own website. Not so good.... If Close Up has better info, that would sure help. Edit away and see what you can do with it. Good luck! — Twisted86 - Talk - at 23:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Is this band really influential when its album release consists of only 200 copies?
 * Are the sources cited authoritative within the black metal community?


 * Sounds good to me. Thanks for the response. You might consider adding the information you put on my talk page to the Shining (band) article's talk page for future discussions.


 * Yes, 1/4 Norwegian, and I spent a (very happy) year in Norway as a high school exchange student. Happy headbanging! — Twisted86 - Talk - at 02:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

&Ouml;sterbotten
Hi, Litany!

I've noticed that many Swedes are not aware how much more English still tends to translate proper names than Swedish does. This yields rather stupid results sometimes, when Swedes translate English texts into Swedish, without (re-)translating proper names that the English translated. Recently I had some students (university level!) who called a French king Henry - in a Swedish text! The worst case I've seen yet, however, was in a Swedish text in Dagens Nyheter, with a notice from Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå, writing about p&aring;ven John Paul. (As you know, Swedes use the Latin form - Johannes Paulus in this case.)

Similar, but not as stupid, is a tendency of Swedes to use Swedish names for Swedish regions or cities that have traditional English names - or possibly a mixture. You may have seen English texts written by Swedes, where the city Gothenburg neither is named with its English name, nor its Swedish (G&ouml;teborg), but by the undotted Swedish Goteborg. Using the local Swedish name is not equally stupid, since there seems to be a trend in English towards using the 'local' name forms more and the 'traditional' name forms less. (Thus, Encyclopædia Britannica (1953) does not contain Dalarna in any form, but only Dalecarlia; while Encyclopedia Americana from 1963 contains the following short article: Dalarna or Dalarne: See Dalecarlia.)

The same goes for Finland-Swedish names, but there there is the extra complication that when modern English does adopt 'local' names, it mostly adopt the Finnish names, not the Swedish.

So, in my opinion, either one has to reach consensus on using local name forms, and then start to rename articles; or one should let references to the most used name forms in English stand, without changing them. Else, we may get such effects as in the recent change of Ostrobothnia to Österbotten, where a direct link to Ostrobothnia (region) was replaced by a link to a redirect from Österbotten to a disambiguation side for Ostrobothnia. (Note, that indeed Österbotten was redirected to the English name form a year ago, according to its history page; and no one has questioned that since then.)

Do you agree with me? JoergenB 15:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, so as long as the Ostrobothnia article remains, we should link to it.

I do teach at university level; actually mathematics, but this comprises some mathematical history (for school teachers-to-become) now and then. That's where the trouble pops up. And yes, since it was an old king of France, Henrik (still) is the best form in Swedish; the alternative would be Enrique, I suppose, absolutely not Henry. The notice on påven John Paul (not Johannes) was translated from some American or English news agency, as far as I recall.

I think Rinkebyska is somewhat less bad than its rumour; but this may be considered POV, since I've lived there the last 25 years. JoergenB 20:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

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Requests for arbitration/Kosovo
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

For edit warring, personal attacks, and other disruption, PerfectStorm/C-c-c-c is banned from editing Wikipedia for one year. For edit warring and incivility, Bormalagurski is banned from editing Wikipedia from one year. For edit warring and disruptive use of sockpuppets, Dardanv under any username or IP, is banned from editing Wikipedia for one month.

Hipi Zhdripi is limited to his one named account, Hipi Zhdripi. All edits by Hipi Zhdripi under another account or an IP address shall be treated as edits by a banned user.

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For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Committee Clerk, 03:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Gorani
hello Litany. Now I think the sentence we argued about is more objective. Wish you nice week.--Noah30 20:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Answers
Well, there are several issues here: 1. first, Republika Srpska cannot be abolished if people who live there do not vote for it. Croats are not satisfied with their status in Bosnia-Herzegovina, but they cannot abolish Republika Srpska even if they want. They might achieve to create their own entity in Bosnia-Herzegovina some day, but it is another subject. 2. I do not think that people in Republika Srpska really want independence. If they do, they would behave like Kosovo Albanians: Albanians wanted independence from Serbia so they boykotted all institutions of Serbia. But do Serbs in Bosnia-Herzegovina boykott Bosnian institutions? No, they do not. Most of them accepted their current political status (which is also not bad for them), but whether they will change their mind in the future I cannot tell you. PANONIAN  (talk)  00:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

"Settled"
As regards your claim that this was settled - I don't believe it was. The previous version that I had reverted to was the one that was settled upon after months of arguing and the one that is supported by the majority of reliable sources. However, in the interest of not starting another arguement, I will refrain from reverting to the agreed-upon version and merely hope that you will in the future attempt to gain a consensus before unilaterally altering sensitive areas of this much-disputed article. Thanks, Davu.leon 15:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Poll
Hey, how are you doing? I see that you're in Croatia - the most beautiful coastal country of Europe (eh... no hidden insult to Sweden intended!!!)

Have a look at my poll and have your say. --PaxEquilibrium 17:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Maps
"but I just want to check with you that I can use your maps on swedish wikipedia?"

Sure, no problem. PANONIAN  (talk)  01:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Litany
What's this accusing You to be the sockmaster of KarlXII and Osli73? --PaxEquilibrium 23:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: What can I do?
I wouldn't worry too much about those attacks. It seems like a common vandal making personal attacks and if he continues he will be dealt with reverts and blocks. I'll be watching your talk page and will do the needful if he returns. Cheers --Srikeit 12:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

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Maps
But you already have those maps on Wikipedia:
 * Serbia in the time of Stefan Dušan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dusanova_Srbija200.jpg
 * Map of Dalmatia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Croatia-Dalmatia.png
 * Map of Herzegovina: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hercegovina5.jpg PANONIAN   (talk)  16:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I see, but problem is that I do not have time now to work on those maps. I even do not have time to do on Wikipedia what I planed to do and not to mention this. I think that you will have to use only those maps that you can find here. If I find time, I might look to create those maps in English, but it will not be soon because I am currently bussy in real life and I do not have enough time to work on Wikipeda so much, as I had before. But if this can help, map of Serbian Empire in German language could be (I think) found on German Wikipedia (maybe that one would be more helpful to you). PANONIAN  (talk)  17:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I looked on German Wikipedia and seems that map of Serbian Empire is not there any more - perhaps it had bad licence tag and was deleted, but I am sure that it was there before. PANONIAN   (talk)  02:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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Bosnian Mujahideen
Tjena! Jag har problem med The Dragon of Bosnia ochGrandy Grandy som påbörjat ett delete-krig mot artikeln Bosnian Mujahideen som jag bidragit till. Jag har begärt Mediation samt kontaktat ett antal admins men skulle uppskatta din närvaro i denna diskussion. MvhOsli73 (talk) 11:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

First, I think that you shouldn't involve other users in your edit wars. Second, the sources are not relaible per WP:RS (political forum site, broken links and mailing lists are not relaible sources).

Let's go from the beginning:
 * Nettime mailing list - Post by Drazen Pantic on Tue, 9 Oct 2001 couldn't be verified as the link to the article is broken - Page Not Found. And it doesn't contain the term Bosnian Mujahideen. According to WP:Verifiability:

"Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." which isn't the case here, to quote: "Propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind, commercial, political, religious, or otherwise. Of course, an article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to approach a neutral point of view. You might wish to go to Usenet or start a blog if you want to convince people of the merits of your favorite views."


 * [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164071/posts This is an example of WP:NOT content] as it is a political forum, actually The Premier Conservative News Forum. On their site you can find what it is about:

"Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!". According to WP:NOT this shouldn't be here, I don't have to mention that the term Bosnian Mujahideen has not been used.


 * This report doesn't contain the term Osli73 is using. It just contains: "foreign mujahideen fighters", and there is already article about foreign soldiers: The role of foreign fighters in the Bosnian war.


 * The Hadzihasanovic verdict Osli73 quoted actually discards all his claims about foreign fighters (that they were controlled by Bosnian army, but he didn't include the rest of the quote in the article.) I will quote it here:

"However, the Trial Chamber could not establish that the Accused Hadzihasanovic or the Accused Kubura gave any orders to the Mujahedin and that those orders were implemented. Moreover, in the 3000 or so documents the Trial Chamber has analyzed, there is no combat report from the Mujahedin to the Accused, nor any other document which indicates that the Mujahedin were answerable to the Accused. However, in their combat reports, the commanders of the 3rd Corps units often complained of the undisciplined behaviour of the Mujahedin during joint combat operations. The Trial Chamber also notes that prior to 13 August 1993, the 3rd Corps war diaries hardly mention the Mujahedin."

Summary

The are already two articles about the topic with correct and precise names:
 * The role of foreign fighters in the Bosnian war,
 * 7th Muslim Brigade.

Osli73 said: "(b) that the The role of foreign fighters in the Bosnian war article mainly deals with their use in Serbian and Croatian propaganda and is otherwise"

I think Osli73 should improve the existing articles, but creating a new article with the same topic and false terms in order to move edit war from the existing article to the new one isn't a good way for Wikipedia as it is WP:NOT content based on propaganda.

Regards. The Dragon of Bosnia (talk) 11:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Why do you bombard my page with this? --Litany (talk) 13:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!
I have awarded you with a barnstar of national merit for all you did to defend truth and to defend articles from albanian terrorists. I see you got threats from albanian terrorists, let me tell you something, albanian military can't take over control of a farm. And if you continue getting threats just tell me I 'm a Serb, and I defend justice and truth, and people who care about justice. Albanian terrosts started making Serbian Kosovo war article a place for their sick separatist propaganda. I see you like burek and our history, you are a very smart and special person and I advise you to continue defending truth! Good luck and tell me if you need any help! --Србија до Токија (talk) 20:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, seeing you have been involved in the previous RM discussion, I thought you might be interested in this one too, cheers. Ban Ray  12:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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