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 * The vandalism seems to have died down. Lithoderm (talk) 23:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

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 * Now I know how to insert and  templates. Thank you, Lithoderm (talk) 23:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Maintenance templates and categories
Hi, Just to let you know that most maintenance categoreis are put in articles by use of tags for example:

unref adds Category:Articles lacking sources (or one of its sub categories).

Also adding the category explicitly is counter productive, as it needs to be removed.


 * Regards,

Thank you, from now on I will only add the template from now on, rather than both or only the category. I thought that the categorization was more important, while the tag only served as a "warning" to readers. This is much easier. Lithoderm (talk) 15:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
You obviously know something about Inuit art, for which I am grateful. There is a huge contradiction in the first paragraph of the body -- did the Thule produce much art or not? I am not in a position to knwo which sentence or reference is correct. Are you able to comment or amend? BrainyBabe (talk) 17:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I meant Dorset. BrainyBabe (talk) 17:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Both cultures produced a great amount of art, but their productions are of very different character. The art of the Dorset is generally more highly regarded; I believe that this is because the Dorset produced many artifacts that have no functional purpose, but were rather for shamanistic use. The Thule were more practical-minded, and produced functional objects decorated with relatively uninteresting zigzag patterns. There are even examples of Dorset-created shamanistic objects (such as a straw for sucking spirits out of the possessed) that were reworked into functional objects by the Thule (a needle case, in the previous example). The nomads that the first paragraph refers to are not the same as the Dorset, which is currently unclear; these nomads were the pre-dorset or ASTT. Flying bears were a dorset motif, not thule, and were not masks in any case... I've been meaning to work on this article for a while, but it would be nice to organize a couple users who could collaborate. Maybe WPVA or WP:IPNA would be of assistance. Right now I'll take some of the obvious errors to task; thanks for the notice. Lithoderm (talk) 23:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I've copied the above and the bit from User talk:BrainyBabe to Talk:Masks among Eskimo peoples. That way it's easier for others to find and join in. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 02:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * My mind must be going. I just realised that you said the Inuit culture article was on the German Wikipedia. As I suspected the main editor was de:Benutzer:Ansgar Walk (User:Ansgar Walk). He has written a lot on Inuit and has helped with translations before. If you want/need assistance he may be willing to help. His German talk page has several requests from English editors and he edits there more often than here. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 03:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Cropping
Hi Litho, ask Tyrenius to look at that Friedrich he is good at copping. The Friedrich I originally had there was sharper than the dull one you replaced but lighter than the one you are adding. The good one got deleted from commons, Modernist (talk) 17:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Simple problem of "raised arms" vs. "arms raised" in the page link -resolved Lithoderm (talk) 15:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

New Section
Thank you for the welcome note! I'm still reading the technical bits of how to update, but I'm looking forward to starting with a few dozen new names to the list of Canadian Artists, from the celebrated to the contemporary.

AntonioArch (talk) 19:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Moving pages
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Translation project Inuit Culture
I noticed your useful contribution of Independence Fjord. Currently I am looking for native speakers of German to help me translate Inuit-Kultur. If you have the time and the inclination, please see User:Lithoderm/Inuit culture, where any comments or additional translation would be greatly appreciated. I am working on the section up to ''Übergang ins 21. Jahrhundert'' offline; so if you want to help, please start there.

Vielen dank, Lithoderm (talk) 20:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I shall be pleased to help here, too. But this is a very long article, I cannot do this in one day. Do you mean that eveything up to the paragraph 3 ins 21. Jahrhundert has been translated already, and that paragraph has not been started yet? I think if more than one work on the translation of an article, it must be done online, not offline. Any suggestions?--Ratzer (talk) 05:40, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've already translated that part offline. There may be some gaps of a paragraph or two, like the part about genetic research on the Saqquaq - too many mile-long technical terms. I didn't intend to monopolize the process, and will have it up as soon as I can type it. Real life is hectic as a college freshman. I just wanted to avoid confusion, and not waste the time I'd already spent on it. Cyfal has also agreed to help, but his English is not as strong as yours. We don't expect it to be done in a single day. Thanks for your speedy reply. Lithoderm (talk) 14:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've created a project page for the translation of this article here. Of those paragraphs that you already translated, I only left the headers (unchanged). Starting here, I took off translating the first few paragraphs. I hope I can do one or two paragraphs a day. Please copy your work in the place before the point where I started, and replace the original headers with the translated headers. That should get the project off the ground for now.--Ratzer (talk) 19:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As I proceed, I replace the German text by translated English text. I'll try to stay as close as possible to the original. If something does not sound right in English, feel free to rewrite it, since you are the native speaker.--Ratzer (talk) 06:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I don't understand. Why do we have now two different versions of the page, User:Ratzer/Projects/Project2 and User:Lithoderm/Inuit culture? Shouldn't we reconcile them and continue with one version of the page only? I don't see a problem with three people working on the same page. --Cyfal (talk) 23:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had overlooked the reference to your project page. No big deal, I keep working down from the point where I started, and I see how we can piece it together on your project page (probably some time before I reach the end of the article).--Ratzer (talk) 20:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I'm through with my part, at least for now. I need a break. I also did all the images of my part (all except one were in the Commons, the remaining one I will upload there shortly), all kinds of appropriate and inappropriate links, including red links. I also took a few lines from Cyfal who had strayed into "my" part (I discussed that with him, of course). I think we can create the article now and keep honing it. Maybe you want to add the images to your part before? It was a good experience for me, and I learned a lot from it in many ways.--Ratzer (talk) 21:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You might want to check out the comments left by Death Bredon on my project's talk page; I copied them to the discussion page of your project. He makes some pretty central points which, though unsourced, challenge the equally unsourced "facts" presented in the article.

I don't know if we should launch it now, as I am still in the process of correcting syntax and typos. I've contacted User:BrainyBabe and User:CambridgeBayWeather, who along with myself first came up with the idea for the translation. They will hopefully be able to help with the honing process. Thanks for all the work you've done! Lithoderm (talk) 22:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC) The only thing that seems to be still missing is those two sections Is anyone working on the translation of those? Other than that, I the pictures of the first part should be brought over from the German article, at least as far as they are in the commons (I kept all pictures of the part I translated, only one of them was not in the commons). P.S. The launchin I'll leave up to you, just copy whatever you need from my project page and leave me a note when it happens.--Ratzer (talk) 13:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1.8.2 Gesellschaftsstruktur und Lebensweise im 19. Jahrhundert (Structure of society and way of living in the 19th century)
 * 1.8.3 Nomadenleben in der ersten Hälfte des 20. Jahrhunderts (Nomadic live in the first half of the 20th century)
 * I brought most of the pics over, and also translated the captions (except for those belonging to the missing secions that have not yet been translated or put there).--Ratzer (talk) 20:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Woman with a White Collar.jpg listed for deletion
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Result was to keep. Lithoderm (talk) 03:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

re
...Personally, I think that such a great amount of maintenance tags on such a small section of the article is excessive.Lithoderm (talk) 20:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to make my specific concerns explicit. --Damiens .rf 20:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way do you have the ISBN code for that book? The reference would be less vague... --Damiens .rf 20:21, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Um, the ISBN is already there: John Goodwin Lyman. Lithoderm (talk) 20:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * D'Oh! Now I got it! I'm not used to that kind of citations on Wikipedia and got confused. --Damiens .rf 20:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Inuit article
Thanks for the welcome. The comment you apparently saw on the talk page of the Inuit article project was an intermediate save; I had not finished yet, so I did not sign at that stage. You can review the whole thing now, complete with signature. I kind of missed a reference to the original author (haven't checked the Geman original, though I did read the German text through) but I'll leave it to the Germans to improve their own articles-- my German isn't THAT good. --Death Bredon (talk) 21:22, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

List of James Bond films with synopses
You are aware that List of James Bond films with synopses can't be redundant to List of James Bond films since List of James Bond films is a red link? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 23:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

See my comment at the AFD page...Lithoderm (talk) 23:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Tanya Tagaq Gillis
Just curious as to why you removed her from the Inuit artists category? She is an artist and an Inuk and is still listed at Category:Nunavut artists. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 07:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry to hear that you are leaving. Hope that you will be back one day. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 20:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Good luck
Best wishes on your studies. Cheers, JNW (talk) 21:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It was good while it lasted, you did a terrific job..Best of luck....Modernist (talk) 22:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh well. It seems I just can't keep my hands off the keyboard. I'll be cutting the volume down over the weekdays, hopefully. Changiing the password wasn't so permanent... Lithoderm (talk) 18:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Primary and Secondary Sources
With regards to your comments on western painting talk page, please read primary source and Secondary source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Research Method (talk • contribs) 06:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Why are you wasting my time with these ridiculous arguments...... Lithoderm (talk) 06:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Western Painting
You have reverted my edit without consultation. I removed an unsupported assertion that some painters who do not feature in Gombridge's History of Western Art are important. Please do not do this. Please read the guidelines before reverting my edits. There is a talk page where these things can be discussed.Research Method (talk) 19:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Tang Da Wu: Image of Tiger's Whip
Hi, thanks for including the image in the article. I have a feeling it may not pass the "fair use" test, though, but will leave it in the article and see if another editor removes it. In any case, what was the source of the image? This needs to be stated on the image description page, otherwise the image is liable to be deleted. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 03:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I have expanded it-- I hope it's adequate, as it would be a shame to lose the only image of his artwork in that article... Lithoderm (talk) 03:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. You've provided quite a lot of fair-use justifications, so let's hope that's adequate. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 04:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Catherine Blake
Less of the dismissive edit summaries, please. Ceoil sláinte 23:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry maybe I was being defensive - I never made any pretense that I could spell - normally its let slide by other editors and I can take a joke ot too, but when its brought up in four consecutive edit summarys, I'm inclined to ask what is the point of that. I think maybe the article is more substantial than the q's and t's. Ceoil  sláinte 23:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Could you ref the statement that she was considered a better printer than Blake? Lithoderm (talk) 00:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. Lithoderm (talk) 14:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I completely misjudged you. The spelling thing is a real drag for me; I used to get 2/10 on a good day in school, and paid for it he he; so im a bit sensitive yet;). sorry about that. I'm find lots of source material for The Ghost of a Flea, I think it could be a fine article with a bit of work. I spent the weekend trawing Amazon, and others have trawled JSTOR; your help and attention would be invaluable if you are on for it. Ceoil  sláinte 23:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I'm a bit caught up in schoolwork, and in Native American art (User:Lithoderm/Native American art), but I'll be glad to give what help I can. Personally I would like to write an article about The Visionary Heads or William Blake's Visionary Heads in general. And have you seen the state of Songs of Innocence and Experience? Ugh... Thanks for the note, but there isn't much time for me to give at this point. Of course, In a week or two... Lithoderm (talk) 23:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * William Blake's Visionary heads would be a fantasitc idea; very broad, lots of sources, great and improbable stories, a cast of interesting characters, and some extraordinary images. SKY 1 material! (except for the sources bit). Ceoil  sláinte 23:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Blake
I've compared the texts highlighted in yellow. As you say, it's not a copy and paste job, which would not be allowed. It's a paraphrase and a rephrasing and so little is directly taken that I don't see it as problematic. Some tweaks would take it further away from the original very easily, e.g. changing "proof form" to "the proof stage", for example. Well done on conscientiousness though.  Ty  01:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Re; Terry Ananny
I think that pretty much covers it. I don't think I can add anything else. Thanks. freshacconci talktalk 02:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Spiritualism
, Nice catch! Still, I love the idea of him channeling spirits... perhaps a nice Native American or ancient Egyptian. ;) Kafka Liz (talk) 10:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not that it really matters, now that the sections have been shuffled. Ah well. Lithoderm (talk) 13:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Registering
Thank you, but I decided many years ago that I would prefer to stay as an IP. I think I'm at some 6000-odd edits and it's worked alright so far. --69.146.230.243 (talk) 05:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Go for it. See User talk:68.39.174.238. Cheers, Lithoderm (talk) 05:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * --69.146.230.243 (talk) 05:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Magritte
[etc by bot] BJBot (talk) 05:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, go ahead and delete it. We've found other images to use in the legacy section of Caspar David Friedrich. Why am I getting this message, when Ceoil was the original uploader? Lithoderm (talk) 06:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

William Blake GAN
I've considering working this towards FA for well over a year, but have never been convinced it would be actually be possible. Everybody knows a little, everybody has projected a little misinformed preconception, and the FAC would be well, a shit storm; why is my interpretation  not reflected. The talk page going back is a mess, despite the effort of yourself and others. I'm writing the articles on his paintings as a tester, just to get familiar with the sources and test the waters. Anyhow, the main Blake bio page as it stands is nowhere near GA; but if you ever do get some free time I would be likely be interested in sandboxing and spending a few weeks trashing it out to see what we can come up with. I know quite a lot about his drawings and paintings, but only a little about his poems. So I can cover bio quite well and the paintings comfortably, but after that I'm limited. Ottava would be a big help, but if were were to canvas wider I'm sure a few lit. people would bite. But it would be a massive, massive, project.

Anyway; sorry for thinking aloud; great work on Friedrich in the last few weeks, and thanks. Ceoil sláinte 00:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I was earlier going to suggest taht you nom a DYK or 3; but I hadn't gotten as far as possible hooks yet. Let me think about it. Great work by the way, very impressive. Ceoil (talk) 02:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and take your time. We still have a couple of days. Lithoderm (talk) 02:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that...Ceoil (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Re the title; it was only named the stages later, but I don't know yet what it had been called or when the current title caught on. Still digging! Ceoil (talk) 20:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think this would pass WP:V. I'm thinking of using commonplace facts from it only, but not sure if is a blog portal, or a collection of articles. Ceoil (talk) 23:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And I think the hook for the Stages would be best by using the fact that the usage of the flag lead historians to think the painting was completed c. 1815. But its a though one to condence into 175 characters. I'd try and weave the phrase the "abyss of death" into the hook for Chalk Cliffs on Rügen-death always sells- but I havn't looked at it properly yet. I will, though. Ceoil (talk) 23:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I share your pain re the source. Also: more than the citation issue re the DYK hook; it just not all that interesting...its just a fact. Still thinking....Ceoil (talk) 00:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Your rollback request
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 * Much appreciated. I will use it as wisely as I am able. Lithoderm (talk) 01:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Meatfleschfünfest
Oh, I'll use it all right. I had a really excellent online dictionary (don't have the link on me -it's at work), but the guy who made it decided to turn it into a salable application. :( One of these days I should actually take a course, I suppose. Thanks! Kafka Liz (talk) 01:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Caspar David Friedrich
No problem - they're nice articles. HeartofaDog (talk) 18:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Re: Designboom; I know, hoping to replace with a better source. Ceoil (talk) 21:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations and well deserved, Lithoderm. You are doing great work; its very impressive to look through your contribs. Ceoil (talk) 22:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 00:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Lithoderm, thank you so much for your work on Friedrich, including new articles on individual paintings, etc. (Many months ago I suggested to Ceoil that he and I collaborate on Friedrich, and I am going to "imagine" that all the recent activity related to CDF ultimately stems from this suggestion ... It would be my best contribution to Wikipedia and to CDF's legacy. :-) As you're one of the editors fulfilling it, thank you again.

I have just started to look at the painting articles you added and I wondered why the odd infobox at Chalk Cliffs. Can I propose we not use the Chalk Cliffs on Rügen template? The idea is great, but my argument against it is three-fold: it is not a "matter of fact" that the staffage in the painting are the people linked to; two of three of those two people will not need wikipedia articles; and the template ruins the infobox display. Is that fair? Thanks, –<font color="#112299">Outriggr § 07:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's fine with me. Really, such an image-map template would be better used for paintings like this (I can't believe that Charles IV of Spain and His Family  is such a weak stub, and that Goya is so poorly covered for his great popularity... imagine how effective DYK hooks on his Black paintings would be!) To be honest, I just wanted to test-use the image map tool so that I know how to use it when I do write articles on such paintings as Goya's group portrait. I was very impressed by how it showed up in Las Meninas... But since in all honesty it was for my benefit only, I would not be offended if it was removed and even deleted.


 * I'll be dialing back my activity in the next few days- final reviews are coming up, and I need to complete all my work that I should have been working on while I was wiki-ing ;). But by next Wednesday I'll be on Thanksgiving break, and then I would love to translate the 3 remaining articles from the German wikipedia on Friedrich paintings (The tetschen altar, Ships in the Harbor, and Kersting's portrait).


 * Thanks for the appreciation, <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 18:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey. We need to provide a citatiion for each caption in the gallery before we go back to Awadewit at the FAC. I think I can do some, but can you remember where you got the others from? And by the way, I'm working (hopefully with Modernist) towards bringing Raft of the Medusa to FAC before new year; I know you'll be taken up with study and exams between now and then, but if you could keep an eye on it and chip in now and again it would be appreciated. If you dont have time, thats no problem; no harm in asking ;) Ceoil (talk) 19:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Modernist did all of the captions in the gallery, all I did was to move the text to before the gallery. I'll give it a look, though. The Medusa sounds fun! <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 19:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like he copied them from the main article and from "my" articles on the paintings. Unfortunately, some of the facts don't have citations in their original locations either: That he created some of the funerary art in Dresden's cemeteries, for instance. I don't have vaughn, so I can't ref the statement for Seashore by Moonlight. I've refed the Siegel statement for Moonrise, as it was copied from an earlier paragraph that was referenced.... it needs the refname template, however, which I've never used. The statement on Schinkel for Sea of fog is copied from the body, where it also needs a reference. The "wedding picture" statement was copied from Chalk Cliffs on Rugen, where it has since been replaced by "The painting appears as a celebration of the couple's union." In any event it is still unreferenced and could be replaced by The art historian Helmut Börsch-Supan sees in the picture a representation of Friedrich's relation to death, and the threat to life by death: "clearly [...] as almost never before, but at the same time also in an unusually serene mood"., which is referenced. The rest of them are general observations that are supported by countless other citations in the article itself. <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 19:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've ledt a note with Modernist, but from a not very extensive search was able to cite 3. The rest should not be too difficult either.

Anyway, 'Fun' is not a word I would use in connection with the Medusa, but I know what you mean. There are a tonne of sources out there, and it is proving very easy to write. I'm looking forward to your contribs, but to be fair college comes first. Dont slack and spend all you time on the computer! We're watching! Ceoil (talk) 20:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for The Stages of Life
Thank you. <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 04:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This might be handy. O and nice mask on your user page, very interesting. Ceoil (talk) 02:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the strongest hook would be centered on The Abbey was destroyed during the Thirty Years War by invading Swedish troops, who later used bricks from the building to construct fortifications. Ceoil (talk) 02:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thats good. Go for it. Ceoil (talk) 03:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for The Sea of Ice
Thank you! <FONT COLOR="#2F4F4F">Litho</FONT><FONT COLOR="#464646">derm</FONT> 23:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

hey, would you please..
Hi. No offense, but I really hate those crappy "you have a message" templates. But that's just my personal taste; apparently some folks disagree.... BUT.... would you please create a new section heading when you leave messages? Please don't put it at the bottom of someone else's thread, as you did at User talk:Ceoil. It disrupts the logic/flow of the conversation. Thanks. Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 03:45, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The templates are a matter of taste! Use them if you like. Some people prefer chocolate ice cream; some people prefer vanilla; it's a matter of taste. But please do get in the habit of making section headers. ;-) Thanks! Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 04:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)