User talk:LiveFreeOrDie1783

Delta Kappa Phi Wiki page
Please  I have been trying to update the Delta Kappa Phi Wiki page with current information about this national fraternity using other national fraternity entries on Wiki as a template. It seems there is some sort of protocol issue at hand that I am unaware of. The terse messages received to date with each undo have not been helpful when the entire revision is arbitrarily tossed out. This does not appear to be a consensus building effort. I would have expected that what was deemed appropriate would have been preserved. What is most troubling is that the Hank Nuwer book citation on page 249 was solely based on an alleged newspaper article which is unavailable and cannot be verified that Nuwer's account was in context, unbiased and true. While it is true that Steven Call died during pledge week, according to witnesses his death was ruled an accident and all protocols during pledge week were adhered to. Nobody was charged with wrongdoing. In short, Mr. Nuwer's account implies that the fraternity caused his death which was not the case. And lastly, using this account without balance in content to the 100+ years of the fraternity's existence honorably serving over 4,000 brothers in membership is a disservice to them. ManagingDirector (talk) 13:53, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your edits to the page as they contained a significant copyright violation. I'm not sure what the content dispute is but I would recommend engaging other editors on the talk page with regard to these issues rather than repeatedly readding them, otherwise you may run afoul of WP:3RR. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  14:31, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

June 2017
Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "ManagingDirector", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it is a misleading name. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username by completing this form, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 15:09, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

June 2, 2017 - Reply
I have used the username "ManagingDirector" on Wiki for eight years without challenge until today. "ManagingDirector" denotes an corporate organizational rank that I have risen to in my professional life. Since Wiki has no such organization structure [eg. CEO, President, "ManagingDirector"], there should be no confusion or implied special Wiki powers granted to me with this username. What is important is that I have used "ManagingDirector" to protect my privacy on numerous other web sites and domain name registries for decades without objection; and many of these corporate entities indeed use the title "ManagingDirector" in their respective organization structures. If there remains an issue, I would appreciate advice on what specific policy issue conflict remains to be resolved and/or perhaps a suggested modification to the username "ManagingDirector". Thank you for your remarks. ManagingDirector (talk) 16:14, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Given that you've only made 33 edits in those ten years, I'm not overly surprised that you've never received commentary on it. "Not being noticed" is not the same as "abides by the username policy." Primefac (talk) 16:42, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

June 2, 2017 - Reply
Comments noted. However, I was not noticed for two reasons. Firstly, the section referred to was adopted well after I chose the username "ManagingDirector". Thus, it was consistent with the policy in place at that time and for many years hence. And secondly, the username could not have been a serious matter. Otherwise, the administrator(s) of Wiki usernames would have identified it as a problem sometime over the years. The question remains: in consideration of the explanations provided in total, has a definitive determination been made that my username is an ex post facto policy violation and needs to be changed now?
 * Actually, the username policy still has the same major bullets today as it did back when you joined Wikipedia, but if you feel that your username complies with the policies then you do not have to change your name. Just keep in mind that if other people are in agreement with me further down the line, you may have to or risk being blocked. Primefac (talk) 18:27, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I'd like to confirm what Primefac said. Please change your name, or you will be blocked. It tends to mislead, and when yused for editing about an organization, tends to give an impression of authority as WP:OWNership.  DGG ( talk ) 20:57, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

The Vice President of the United States is a U.S. Constitutional officer pursuant to Article One - Legislative Branch
It is important that Wikipedia represents fact when is comes to accurately describing U.S. Constitutional roles. The current version states in the first paragraph "The Vice President of the United States ... is the second-highest officer in the executive branch of the U.S. federal government ..." and the forth paragraph: "The Constitution does not expressly assign the vice presidency to any one branch." These statements are at odds with the plain words in the U.S. Constitution.

While the role of the Vice President of the United States in modern day politics is viewed as being part of the executive branch of the federal government as a function of the President of the United States assigning responsibilities to the Vice President, such does not depreciate the U.S. Constitution's unambiguous language that the "office" of the Vice President of the United States lies solely in the legislative branch of the federal government pursuant to Article I, Section 3 (4): "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." and pursuant to the Twelfth Amendment to the Constitution, the Vice President of the United States, as part of the legislative branch of the federal government, presides over the joint session of Congress when it convenes to count the vote of the Electoral College.

The only exception where the incumbent Vice President of the United States becomes part of the executive branch of the federal government is when the "office" of President of the United States becomes permanently or temporarily vacant. Even then, the "office" of the Vice President of the United States becomes vacant and the incumbent Vice President assumes the title of Acting President or President as circumstances have it. Thus, the “office” of Vice President of the United States never becomes part of the executive branch of government because the incumbent undergoes a title change and assumes the roles assigned to President of the United States.

The following U.S. Constitution Article II executive branch references identify the Vice President of the United States, but they refer only to election, succession and removal "process" requirements while the President of the United States remains in "office". These process requirements do not make the Constitutional "office" of the Vice President a part of the executive branch of the federal government, even though they are in Article II of the Constitution.

These process requirements are detailed as follows:

The method of electing the Vice President of the United States is found in Article II, Section 1: "The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:..."

Regarding the succession of the Vice President of the United States to the presidency, the process is found in Article II, Section 1 (6): “In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the VicePresident, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.”

Regarding the election of the President and Vice President of the United States, these two Constitutional officers are elected as a team; the process is found in the amendments to the Constitution pursuant to Article [XII]: "The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President,..."

Regarding the removal of the Vice President of the United States, the process is found in Article II, Section 4: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." and in in the amendments to the Constitution pursuant to Article [XX], Section 3: "If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified." and Article XXV: "1: In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President."

While it is fair to expand on the modern day political evolution of the responsibilities assigned by the President to Vice President of the United States, this WikipediA page should lead with U.S. Constitutional facts.

This is how the page looked on 22:18, 15 July 2018 reflecting the above facts. I believe it should be reverted to this lead-in version:

"The Vice President of the United States (informally referred to as VPOTUS, or Veep) is a constitutional officer in the legislative branch of the federal government of the United States as the President of the Senate under Article I, Section 3, Clause 4, of the United States Constitution, as well as the second highest executive branch officer, after the President of the United States.[3] In accordance with the 25th Amendment, he is the highest-ranking official in the presidential line of succession, and is a statutory member of the National Security Council under the National Security Act of 1947.

As the Senate president, the vice president presides over its deliberations (or delegates this task to a member of the Senate), but is allowed to vote only when it is necessary to break a tie.[3] While this vote-casting prerogative has been exercised chiefly on legislative issues, it has also been used to break ties on the election of Senate officers, as well as on the appointment of Senate committees.[4] In this capacity, the vice president also presides over joint sessions of Congress.[3]

The vice president is indirectly elected, together with the president, to a four-year term of office by the people of the United States through the Electoral College. The Office of the Vice President assists and organizes the vice president's official functions."

I need some help in reflecting the above comments concerning better reflecting Constitutional facts as a first priority while still providing some current day political context and opinion commentary.

LiveFreeOrDie1783 (talk) 16:42, 4 October 2018 (UTC)