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Britney Spears Everybody
Hey I saw that you're a fan of Britney Spears and that you are apart of Britney Spears Wikipedia team! I wondered if you could help me with this article about "Everybody" since it is a B-Side track for Break The Ice but also it charted in two different charts. Hope I get to hear from you soon, thanks! User:BritneyThePromoLover/sandbox BritneyThePromoLover (talk) 15:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

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Editing logged out
Hello. I noticed this diff on Law & Order and the summary was worded like it was written by you. I'm happy to be wrong but could you confirm if this was you editing logged out or not? – Meena • 11:47, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I was unintentionally logged out that day, and only noticed it when I viewed in a different browser, realizing I was not logged in (which I normally am automatically). Not an excuse nor acceptable, but it was unfortunately me. My apologies. 15:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Is this you again here? – Meena • 14:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


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Harry's House - "Daylight"
Hello Livelikemusic. The two sources I added on the page define "Daylight" as a single, and in addition other sites define the song as a single. For example, the sources of "Satellite" are similar to the sources I added. UserFlash (talk) 19:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)


 * By Wikipedia standards and practices, a song must receive a radio-add to be considered a single. In today's day and age, simply releasing a music video does not equate to being considered a single. If you feel strongly in having it added, you may open a talk page discussion at the article itself.  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 00:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I opened a talk page discussion at the article. UserFlash (talk) 22:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello livelikemusic. I'm still waiting for your reply on the Harry's House talk page. Thank you UserFlash (talk) 10:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Taskforce
Hey :) I was considering *potentially* starting a The Bold and the Beautiful articles related taskforce (similarly to how Emmerdale has one). If I did start one, would you be interested? DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 11:24, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Apologies for delay in response. Thank you for reaching out; I may consider it, however, I'd likely be more useful for past entries, as I stopped watching the soap in 2019.  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 03:02, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

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Zoe Anderson image
May I please ask why you changed the image? The current image was recent (I took it from an August episode), fair use and showed her smiling, and whilst images are able to be changed, it feels like it was changed for no legitimate reason. It has upset me a bit to be honest as it feels like it was done for no legitimate reason, and that no other user is allowed to upload character photos or they will be reverted.DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 16:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * This accusatory message is very off-putting and, quite honestly, I had a different response until you added in, and that no other user is allowed to upload character photos or they will be reverted., which leaves me with this: you taking this as a personal attack shows little good faith on your part, and that is quite frankly not my problem. I'll revert and delete the image to avoid bruising one's feelings, despite the image still failing fair use for content. And a smiling image, FYI, is not criteria for what's acceptable. That is a preference on your part. Not to mention, PNG format is generally preferred for viewing quality. Good day.  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 16:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Soaps improvement drive
Hello, I pinged you on the WP:SOAPS talk page about this so sorry to double on the message but I want to get as many on-board for this as it's ambitious, even for me. Due to the recent surge in scrutiny on soap articles, we all need to come together and improve soap articles, so I've created an improvement drive with dates and articles for the soap WikiProject to focus on improving articles each week. Right now, it's focused on Hollyoaks, but the plan is to keep it going until we get to each soap. I did not include a section to sign up as I didn't want editors to feel that they are signing their life away and are expected to edit the articles mercilessly. I hope for some level of dedication but it's not a drive with huge pressure. Are you interested in joining in? – Meena • 11:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi! Yes, I did receive the ping, and was planning on responding at some point today... I have not had a day off of my job since Tuesday, so I've been trying to sleep, ha! I am definitely interesting in joining and doing the absolute best I can to assist! The latest AfD's are concerning, as if these were primetime articles, I fully believe this would not be happening.  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 12:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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Neighbours photos
Hi, there. I see you've been adding new photos to all the Neighbours articles. I just wanted to say, that typically the photos we include in soap operas are closer to the shape of a square, not a rectangular shape, like yours are. So maybe in the future it would be better to adjust the shape, just so they're not too long, detract from the page from being to large and are consistent with the rest of Wikipedia articles. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 21:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, hi. I was wondering if there was someplace this was stated, as I've not noticed any consensus and / or general disscussion on rectangular vs. square images — only that episodic images should be used in comparison to publicity (character vs. actor)? I've been uploading images for years and no one has someone come to me and stated that those included in soap articles are more square in shape.  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 21:29, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I've never actually seen a discussion (a consensus) on the issue, but from what I've witnessed, it seems that the square-shaped images are preferred by and look more aesthetically pleasing for editors. This could be in part the reason your new photo on David Tanaka has just been reverted. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 21:35, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If that's the case, then that is a preference, and if preference is the case, then preference ≠ consensus, and perhaps and overriding discussion may be had once more to further expand upon the previous discussion. Because, for my preference, the more rectangular shape is more pleasing, just in the same way [some] prefer the smaller images, which was also recently discussed at WikiProject Soap Operas.  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 21:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll comment here because I can't comment below for some reason, even though it's the same discussion... I have to completely agree with User:Raintheone's point about there being 'too much neck' in these photos. The point of the photos is to represent the character over their tenure without detracting from the article. I'm afraid that these photos are too 'long' and don't need to be updated as soon as a character has changed their physical look. Aaron with a beard is not representative of his whole tenure on the soap and there's no constructive usefulness in updating a photo every time a character changes their appearance. That's my opinion anyway. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Your conversation was removed to keep our conversation here and my conversation with someone else elsewhere for my ADHD. That's why their comment was removed from your talk page post, as well, and put into their own. For me, the excuse of "too much neck" is a complete personal preference and not a set-in-stone standard, and it seems very much a thing with certain soap editors within an Australian / British soap view, and it's why the community continues to be separated, and honestly not feel welcoming or inclusive at all. There is zero discussion (as I have requested) that says the photograph needs to represent an entire tenure, etc. I can guarantee, if the new image (File:Takaya Honda as David Tanaka.png) had been more cropped, it would still pose an issue because of other reasons. Not the first time my attempts to slightly improve the quality a bit, visually, have been reverted and been against; it's feeling very targetive and not assuming of good faith, which is all my actions have been.  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 02:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Okay, let's switch away from why I think they are deconstructive; why do you think they are constructive and how do they improve the article? We have given our reasons, but I haven't seen yours. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 03:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually, I did! With this edit, I did state: The change was to provide a higher quality image, yet still meeting non-free content criteria requirements which is exactly what I feel I did, regardless of composition, orientation, size, etc. but it is clear that's not how it has been viewed.  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 03:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Higher equality? The old photos were of perfectly fine quality, not blurry just as this one. Some photo updates just seem to be for the sake of updating them, like that of Paul Robinson. The photo in that article is abnormally close to his face, half his hair is cut off from the camera and his head only makes up 1/2 of the photo at most! - Therealscorp1an (talk) 06:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Neighbours photos (II)
I just restored David Tanaka's as I was confused about the update. Surely it just good house keeping to ensure a cropped image excluding show sets are used. I came here because you updated Aaron's too. I have not undone that because I did not want you to think I was disagreeing for the sake of it. I do wonder what the need to update them is?Rain the 1 21:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, Raintheone, nice to hear from you old friend. I put your inquiry in a separate discussion, as my ADHD goes insane with more than one conversation is happening within a talk page discussion. I am sorry you feel as if the new image (File:Takaya Honda as David Tanaka.png) is not in-line with what you view as good house keeping (which, again, I've yet to see any form of consensus on and is the first time I am hearing of it). From my POV, my image does not include anymore scenery than your does, but does in fact showcase more of the character and is clearer. Not to mention, PNG vs. JPEG / JPG is more of a lossless image file, and is ultimately clearer (as viewed at PNG, and, wish you had merely stated that in your edit summary, instead of t was fine before - he looks the same, but that's just nit-picking at this point in time, LOL. And I appreciate you coming here, because it was feeling a bit like you were disagreeing for the sake of it, as this is not the first time this has happened, and was feeling a bit... targeted, I guess you could say, so I appreciate you coming here and discussing it with me. 👍🏻  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 21:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I am always happy to discuss. I do think your image contributions are questionable in regards to the article content. Aaron now has a prominent beard. Is that a reason to change the image? Does it reflect the character's full tenure? You could argue that David has not changed much? Some of the changes also appear humorous.. perhaps the issue is with the aesthetics? Too much neck in most?Rain the 1 23:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The change was to provide a higher quality image, yet still meeting non-free content criteria requirements. This, again, feels like a concept of personal preference over anything else, and nit-picking (reflect character's full tenure, too much scenery, too much neck, etc) to me to avoid having images changed beyond what is comfortable for [some].  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 00:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Including an image that reflects the content of an article is not nit-picking. I am comfortable with improving images if adds to the article. We have spent far too much of our lives improving these articles for you to not know this. LolRain the 1 00:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * See, now you're assuming things, and that's quite off-putting and assuming I'm not trying to improve articles, but now it appears you're assuming I'm trying to destroy that, and that does not sit well with me. It's not the first time my attempts to improve quality within images for non-American soaps has been fought against, and seems very targetive for me (even beyond images at this point).  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 02:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hello. I just wanted to know the reason behind this edit, beacuse per WP:TWABUSE, "undoing/reverting should not be the first response", and that you should try to improve the change first. You could have just updated the access date alone instead of reverting the edit (then adding it again (!) after updating the access date). If the access date hadn't been updated since May 11 and you want to remove the edits then update the access date then restore them again, why only removing the May 18 ones? It applies to May 12 & 17 as well.

Just wanted to check if there is anything that I don't know. Please let me know, regards. Medxvo (talk) 18:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * At the time, the information was not there, and if you know how it should work, the question is: why put the information without the source included isn't updated, like right now?  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 20:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Because the source has not been updated yet. The edits were made in good faith, there is absolutely no reason to revert them per WP:TWABUSE, you should either try to improve it or leave it for future editors to improve. You can also consider moving the problem to the Talk page. For now, I added an additional citation that presents live updates for the surprise songs, it should solve the problem for now and for future contributions. Medxvo (talk) 21:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You've accused me, a second time, of not assuming good faith and mis-using Twinkle — either of which I've done. I never once stated the edits were in bad faith; merely that they were not sourced, which is valid use of reverting added content. WP:Verifiability states: Even if you are sure something is true, it must have been previously published in a reliable source before you can add it and per WP:BURDEN, it states: All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports[b] the contribution.[c]; users have every right to remove unsourced claims from articles. And, considering you were the one reverted, per WP:BRD, it's up to you to take it to the page's talk page. The problem is with the editor attempting to add the information, without any kind of citation, not the person removing unsourced information.  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 22:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And still per WP:TWABUSE — Editors should either make a reasonable attempt to improve the change, or should simply leave it in place for future editors to improve. Undo/revert is appropriate in cases where the contribution is arguably "wrong" (consider moving it to the Talk page), or is unreasonably difficult to fix (e.g. incomprehensible, and the author is unresponsive), or is actually harmful to the article (such as vandalism). I do not think any of the cases of reverting applies to this case and please tell me if you tried to make a reasonable attempt to improve the change before reverting the edits?
 * I came here to discuss the problem with you and made a new edit trying to solve it, and per WP:BRD — The first person to start a discussion is the person who is best following BRD ... You can encourage the bold editor to start a discussion on the article talk page if they want to learn more about why you reverted. Alternatively, start a discussion yourself on the article talk page about the issue. There is absolutely nothing wrong about starting the discussion first. It should not be up to me to take it to the page's talk page. We can work together to make progress. We can always choose between trying to improve the problem or simply reverting other editors contributions. That's all I can say, regards. Medxvo (talk) 23:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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