User talk:Livelikemusic/Talk Page Archive 24

Edit-warring
Boy you really don't like being challenged, do you? Snickers2686 (talk) 15:09, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Actually, if the reference is a verifiable and trusted source, it is applicable — in terms of Soap Opera Digest. Wikipedia wants coverage of a topic, not just facts, because what you refer to as facts may be different facts than mine. As for his death date, there is no verifiable confirmation he died on February 3, just that he was found. Implicating that February 3 is his death date is in violation of WP:BLP. Until that can be his verified death date, it constitutes controversial information of a BLP. This isn't about being "challenged," it's about reporting this as accurately as possible.  livelikemusic    talk!  15:15, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


 * So then why not just add the circa tag to appease new editors? Snickers2686 (talk) 15:17, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Because, even in adding tags, anonymous editors are still going to want to add-in February 3. Hell, even current editors are trying to add it in. I requested full-protection of the page, and am awaiting an Admin's protection of the page.  livelikemusic    talk!  15:19, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Grace Black
Hey. I replaced Grace Black's image with a different one because it matches the hair style discussed heavily in the article. I feel it represents her better in regards to the article content. I know she walks around the village with her hair flat now.Rain the 1 13:03, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * That's fine; didn't think there was harm in having a newer image, but, if you feel it's best, then I guess it must be?  livelikemusic    talk!  16:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

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Titanic poster
Hey Livelikemusic! I noticed that you you uploaded a PNG version of the Titanic poster. I uploaded the full size image so that it will be reduced by a bot, since that is generally preferred. I hope that's okay with you? Thanks. Musicfan122 (talk) 09:13, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Where is it discussed that this is preferred? The image was fine as it was, and there was no reason to upload an unnecessary, larger version when the version that was uploaded was fine to begin with. That, to me, just seems like an attempt to own the image upload and that you do not have a clear understanding of the image policies of Wikipedia. I suggest you re-read up on them, because the uploads you continue to make are just unnecessary and might eventually lead to your permissions being revoked.  livelikemusic    talk!  13:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * What? No. Not at all. It's just that when a large image is uploaded and reduced by a bot, it generally ends up a bit larger, or sharper, than when uploaded as a small image. For example, it could be 316 × 326 rather than 220 × 326. That's it. Musicfan122 (talk) 13:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Again, this is not what's preferred, especially if a lower-res is available. Your interpretation of the policies is very misleading, and I again recommend to re-read them. Especially since infoboxes generally only preview a certain pixel amount anyway, so a larger image is not required. You continuing to just edit-war and own the image is not going to help your cause. You're just creating unnecessary work for users and bots.  livelikemusic    talk!  13:12, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't mention any policies and I'm pretty sure a single revert does not qualify as edit warring, but sure, whatever. Musicfan122 (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

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"Cool"
Please use edit summaries, when you're removing sources, to describe why. What's wrong with using UOL and their twitter announcement?-- N Ø 15:57, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Um, I did in subsequent edits, as it was the result of an edit conflict between edits. Plus, social media really should not be used, especially if third-party sources are available.  livelikemusic    talk!  15:59, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Just saw the followup edits. Sorry for the misunderstanding.-- N Ø  16:01, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * It's fine. I would never intentionally remove a source without justifying a solid, legitimate reason, especially within an edit summary. Unfortunately, Wikipedia fails to recognize that people might be editing at the same time, and, sometimes, they can override edits, which is what unfortunately happened in the case of the new page.  livelikemusic    talk!  16:02, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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Little Mix LM5 The Tour
Hi, I’m not sure why you’re being persistent with editing this pages layout, but it doesn’t seem like anybody is keen on the change you’re presenting. The info box would be better more descript with the amount of shows per leg hence people keep changing it. If there is a particularly important reason why you’re editing the page then that’s fine, I’m just having an issue understanding.

Thanks. Lmarmy (talk) 16:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Again, if you look at Infobox concert, under the number_of_shows, it clearly states: the total number of shows on the entire tour. It does not state "leave a breakdown of each leg," etc. People tend to ignore what templates call for, and it causes a ripple effect. We should follow the standard and example set up by the template itself. All infoboxes are meant to provide an overview, not a broken down, descriptive placement of information. If people ultimately want that, they should look within the article. I've explained, multiple times, that the infobox only calls for the total number of shows, yet you and multiple anonymous editors insist on ignoring this. Care to explain as to why this is? And, if the answer is "consistency," then please know I don't buy that as an excuse.  livelikemusic    talk!  17:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I didn’t want to seem rude or anything just wanted a better understanding as to why you’re updating the page. All I was seeing was you editing one page but none of their other tours so it didn’t looked a little off that’s all. Now that I understand better I won’t change it, but that’s all I wanted.. a better understanding. Lmarmy (talk) 17:06, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

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the voice usa
hello, thank you for informing me that the edit i put out should be on Adam's page and not the voice page. and I was wondering if you can help me edit that onto his page with a correct source since it talks more about why he left the voice, (donaldtrump 04:10, 31 May 2019 (UTC)) Spanisharabic.

Fo /about templates on upcoming/current/recent seasons.
Hey, quick question. I noticed this edit with the edit summary: Per MOS:TV, the for and/or about templates shouldn't be used as a way to highlight either the current, former and/or upcoming seasons/series. I can't find anything in MOS:TV saying that and the most recent discussion I remember on these came out to no consensus (Link to discussion here). On that specific edit I agree with the removal because my personal opinion is that a season is no longer recent after a month of its finale but just wondering if I'm missing something??? Thanks The Doctor Who  (talk) 07:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * My apologies for delay in response — it has been a busy, hectic day here! Hope you are well and thank you for the question. I believe I read on the MOS for TV page, however, I might have been wrong. I can re-scan it again and see if I notice it again. Apologies for the inconvenience.  livelikemusic    talk!  19:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, I know stuff comes up in real life. Hope you are well too! No worries about it I was just checking because sometimes I miss the most obvious stuff. Have a great rest of your day!  The Doctor Who  (talk) 21:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Cait Fairbanks Wiki Page
Hi! I was thinking of creating a Wiki page for Cait Fairbanks. She plays Tessa Porter on 'The Young and the Restless', and she also has her own music career as Cait Fairbanks, and also as Ginesse: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/artist/cait-fairbanks/1090520326 & https://itunes.apple.com/ca/artist/ginesse/1441079557.

I think she's notable enough for that now. I've never created a Wikipedia page before, so I'd like to know if you'd be interested in helping me set it up. Israell (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

"Bounce Back"
I assume the reason the other editor added Nellee Hooper, Caron Wheeler and Simon Law to the writing credits of this song is because they are credited along with Jazzie B with writing "Back to Life", which is sampled in this track... it would be weird to have co-written that song and yet only one of "Back to Life"'s co-writers is credited on "Bounce Back". Nevertheless, you are right – unless they are actually credited on "Bounce Back", they can't be added. Richard3120 (talk) 14:37, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Exactly. I understand the addition of those three co-writers, however, they simply are not credited on streaming services, such as Apple Music and Tidal. If those services update the credits, then like you said, then they should receive the proper credit. Maybe, since only one is credited, that's the writer who might've written the actual lyrics they used? I don't know, I'm trying not to speculate at this point. Shrug. Oh well. That song still slaps!  livelikemusic    talk!  14:53, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Civil partners (re: Chelsea and Calvin)
Did the show say that they were civil partners or did they just say that they were married (which may or may not be invalid because of Adam's third rise from the dead). Arjoccolenty (talk) 17:50, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Undo edit
Hi, this is Mysterious459. Um, I'm just wondering, when you said it was too much fluff, did you mean that it was unimportant information? I'm just wondering. I'm not mad, I'm just curious😊 Mysterious459 (talk) 15:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Mysterious459, yes, that is exactly what I meant. There was too much explicit, in-depth detail that is not required. Wikipedia pages, especially in terms of storyline, is not meant for episode-by-episode storyline detail. Not to mention, there were several other issues that defy Wikipedia policies (MOS:DATEFORMAT), etc. that were an issue, as well. I'd recommend reading the link that was linked in the edit summary, and to also begin using edit summaries for your posts. Thanks for asking and reaching out.  livelikemusic    talk!  15:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Building Up a New Full Page
Hi, this is Mysterious459 again. I need some help. I'm trying to create a new full-sized page for the General Hospital Character Andrew Cain (well, you probably call him Drew Cain). Is the new page going to be deleted? I really need some help building it to make it look like a full sized General Hospital character page. I don't want to mess it up at all. Plus I know Billy Miller played Jason Morgan from October 1, 2014 until December 1, 2017 but I haven't put quotation marks on the word Jason on the new Andrew Cain page. Is it okay if you help me? Mysterious459 (talk) 03:09, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, at this time, I have no interest in helping build the page. I suggest looking at both the links I linked you to prior (in-terms of fancruft material, which the page is now filled with, but also to work on your writing, as well, because it reads completely as a fan point-of-view, instead of an encyclopedia-worthy article. I'd also recommend reading about identify reliable sources, the notable standards of a soap opera character article, the notability of fiction, Wikipedia's general notability guideline and also WP:COPYVIO — the draft, which in its current state will get automatically declined, is a full copyvio of a Wikia website, which upon brief inspection, you also edit on. This is unacceptable on Wikipedia.  livelikemusic    talk!  14:34, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I'm new to this. I'll do my best. Please don't be mad at me. Mysterious459 (talk) 14:47, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Recent death
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Interscope Geffen A&M Records
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The Real Housewives of New York City
Hi there, Livelikemusic! I don't think we've ever interacted. I'm KyleJoan. Pleased to make your acquaintance! I see that you're a frequent editor on the Real Housewives of New York City article. I was wondering whether you would be interested in joining an ongoing discussion on the article's talk page regarding the sorting of cast members, specifically Luann de Lesseps and Bethenny Frankel. I noticed that a number of the IP edits/reverts on the article have involved that topic as well, so it would be great to have experienced editors chime in. Thanks in advance, and have a wonderful weekend! KyleJoan talk 07:34, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Adding publisher in references
Hey, just want to let you know as I've seen you still adding publisher= in references you add to articles, it's considered redundant per Template:Cite web and general CS1 style to include where we have website=/work= defined. I used to consider it a waste of time to look up who the publisher of a website is, and it was often incomplete/missing/hard to discern anyway, and then I learnt cite web says we don't even need it. Most of the time it's just extraneous information anyway, and they can age quickly (like in the case of users who still think Billboard's publisher is Prometheus Global Media), so it's best to leave it out.  Ss  112   16:46, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I'm just used to filling out all parameters; I overlooked both templates, and I don't see where it's considered redundant. The only mention of omitting publisher is here (taken from both Cite web and Cite news: Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work (for example, The New York Times Co. publishes The New York Times newspaper, so there is no reason to name the publisher). And, even in the "Most commonly used parameters in horizontal format" parameter (via web), both work / website are listed alongside publisher.  livelikemusic    talk!  13:16, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Under Template:Cite web, where website/work is "suggested" while publisher is only "optional", and both website title and publisher say "Having both 'publisher' and 'website' (a.k.a. 'work') is redundant in many cases."  Ss  112   15:17, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

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RHONY sorting
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CBS The Talk "Closing TAG line"
It is difficult to document / source / cite because it is not to be found on any internet page. For the first 9 seasons of the show they said "It's always a good time to have "THE TALK"" but starting this season they close the show with "Let's talk tomorrow!" or on the Friday show "Let's talk later!". I searched everywhere for some sort of reference but I watch the show everyday and can confirm they no longer close out the show with the old tag line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bucsfannva (talk • contribs) 17:28, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Lucasriva
Their recent editing does appear disruptive, particularly given their refusal to discuss. That said, I am not convinced it is vandalism which requires malicious intent. If this resumes I would suggest taking it to ANI. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:09, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Definitely will. Thank you so much!  livelikemusic    talk!  22:16, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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Soap opera character marriage dates
You are picking and choosing which rules to use here. There is NOTHING in the soap infobox template that says that an em dash CANNOT be used to signify a marriage is ongoing. The UK soap operas do the same exact thing. You cannot apply the rules for date range to a fictional character. Show me WHERE exactly it says in the infobox template for soap characters that em dashes for marriages AREN'T allowed. Arjoccolenty (talk) 19:39, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not the template guidelines, it's MOS:DATETOPRES. No open-ended date spans should be used, but n dashes are of course fine if there's an end date or "present". Whether or not to use 2019–present (because 2019 is the present) is another issue I'm not sure is addressed in the MOS.— TAnthonyTalk 20:51, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Good for you!
Good for you for opening this discussion. Someone needs to get to the bottom of this! (Saw your post at 's talk page and followed it to your dispute with the other editor, then went to the MOS talk page to open a discussion, but you already had.) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! It needed to be done; unfortunately, I still don't think some editors are understanding what I'm talking about, which is unfortunate. I'm hoping that, eventually, we can come to some kind of resolution, because it's going to cause a lot of upheaval.  livelikemusic    talk!  18:42, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

The Sun
Thanks for pointing out that The Sun is not considered a reliable source. I wasn't aware that this was the case but I can certainly agree. It's often full of sensationalism.  → Lil- ℧niquԐ 1 - {  Talk  } -  23:09, 19 December 2019 (UTC)