User talk:Livelikemusic/Talk Page Archive 5

Images with regard to Non-free content
Hey, Musicfreak. I'm not sure if you're watching the Eden Riegel article, but I'm dropping by your talk page to let you know that I reverted you on the image change there. The reason is provided in the edit summary. Flyer22 (talk) 05:36, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I don't really care that much about it. It was mainly for the uploader of the image, aha. They seem to hate having their images up for deletion so I was trying to avoid that, aha. I could honestly care less.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 19:27, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

"Malicious"
I suggest that you look up the word malicious in a dictionary. I wasn't trying to do harm. I was making the "cause" a lot easier to read by providing less text. Arjoccolenty (talk) 21:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * First off, please don't come to my talk page and start suggesting things in such a way. And your edits within the previous edit were malicious, not in a way of doing harm, but going against WP:CRYSTALBALL. And if you're going to leave me this message, I suggest leaving it for the IP as well, or else I see it as WP:PERSONAL and WP:AGF Music Freak 7676 TALK! 21:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors&#32; according to your reverts at Cassandra Hall Rawlins. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. While edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, breaking the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. Athleek  123  02:00, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 02:25, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Cassandra Hall Rawlins at AfD
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Cassandra Hall Rawlins is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be remain a redirect.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cassandra Hall Rawlins until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:45, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Hey, saw your Wikibreak notice and just wanted to say good on you for standing up for yourself. Talk when you're back full-time!!  Creativity 97  (Talk)  19:58, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm editing off-and-on here and there with only projects I truly care about. But yeah, that notice needed to be put up. And thank you for that! Music Freak 7676 TALK! 20:07, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I hope we'll still get to work together!  Creativity 97  (Talk)  20:17, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't we be able to? LOL. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 20:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer!!
Thanks for offering to help with the sources for the character lists; I was considering waiting until the lists were done to replace the current list but I realized it would take more than just me, and now you, to finish these list, or expand them; seeing as a lot the characters on the list needed credible sources anyway, I'm considering just immediately replacing the current list with the several character lists based on decades, and using certain templates to get visitors and editors to assist in expanding the new lists for example, Templates like Unreferenced and Expand list would be located at the of each list. Let me know what you think before I do it.--Nk3play2 my buzz 04:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think what should happen is that they should be as sourced as possible before being published. Or else they'll likely be taken down and redirected. Don't ask me why I think this, but they will. But I think that editors should be able to help. I know I could possibly recruit a person or two to help. Plus, I'm working on a couple of solo articles for several DAYS characters right now so if that happens, we can always redirect the sub-page to the main page, you know? Music Freak 7676 TALK! 04:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

GH cast members
Thank you for backing me up about Steinmetz. He is not on contract and we can't just ignore the official show credits. I know it was never officially reported that Butler was going to be recurring instead of out (and that could've just been Butler covering his ass PR-wise), but if I see Butler drop off the closing credits, are you ok with me removing him and either putting him in recurring (depending on if we see him again) or removing him completely? Alexisfan07 (talk) 05:26, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Butler was never confirmed off contract, so no, credits cannot be used to drop him. And I'm not necessarily supporting you, I'm supporting the facts. It was never published that Steinmetz was put on contract with the series. And no, Butler is out according to SOD. A final airdate has not been set. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 05:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Hey MF, what's goin' on buddy? :( I noticed at the top of your page..i hope all is good...sorry i am hardly there. − Soap  Jar 06:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Nothing too much. Just working on some projects here on Wikipedia. And yeah, just been discouraged a bit lately with some stuff that's been going on. But over-all, now I'm just focusing on myself and my projects. Trying not to get involved too much in things that don't involve me! How have you been?! I miss you tons!! And it's fine, we all have personal lives! Aha. 07:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Aw what's been happening? Oh i meant here as in editing soaps and stuff and discussing like we used to haha :) I've been good :) Hey, do you edit much on Y&R pages anymore? Oh and by the way, i nominated Sharon Newman for GA, so it can fail so i can fix it up, and nominate it again. How cool would it be if it was a GA? :'D − Soap  Jar  17:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Eh, just some stuff over the course of a few months is all. Nothing I'm letting affect me at this point. I do still edit Y&R from time-to-time, depending on the character and such. And I saw you nominated Sharon earlier this morning, I was going to say something but it was like 2:30am here and I was pooped, aha. And it'd be awesome to get a GA for Sharon. Aha. I'm finally enjoying her again, despite her being blonde. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 17:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * *ignoring your blonde comments as i adore her blonde her LOL* anyway, hope you get all that sorted. :) Cool, by the way, when Sharon gets failed, can you and C97 help me fix up all the corners that are bad. We could re-nominate fast and it could become a GA (wow) it would be so kool. So what's up w/ soaps lately? − Soap  Jar 17:26, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. Sorry, I adore Sharon much more as a brunette. It flattered her features more. I'd be more than happy to help in my spare time!! And nothing much, been focusing a lot of the CBS and NBC lines, since they're all freakin' amazing right now!! Music Freak 7676 TALK! 17:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, i don't know why I'm asking, but would you ever be interested in helping me out with a JLo page (well, sandbox) apart of the WikiProject JLo in your spare time? − Soap  Jar 17:27, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That'd be cool. I was known to enjoy some Jennifer Lopez back in my hayday! Music Freak 7676 TALK! 17:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL really? I think she just lights up the room more like this, idk i missed the old her. :) Oh and this is the page User:Status and i are currently making but it's moving slowly lol: Have a quick read over what u think of what i have done so far, :) It's about her Cultural impact (basically what was in "legacy" on her main article, but as you can see if you check it out, that's way too long. :) − Soap  Jar  17:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been so-called "stalking" your moves concerning the Jennifer pages, and I must say, I am really impressed by them and they're leading me to be more progressive with soap opera articles! Aha. And it is a tad long, but that can always be simply fixed with a big of time and TLC! Music Freak 7676 TALK! 17:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Lawl aw that makes me happy that you stalk me lol :')) aw thanks so much. Cool, glad you are :) Yes, well because the legacy section is so long (I mean not only does she have influence in music/movies but her body and image and stuff) so a new page seemed like a good way to go :) By the way, are you going to watch X-Factor? What do you think of BS as a judge? − Soap  Jar 17:44, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course I mean it in the nicest way possible!! AHa. And I won't be watching The X Factor. I was going to until they canned Cheryl Cole. And truth be told, I view Britney's hiring as a marketing ploy for Simon Cowell and I do not think she is right for the job. And I'm a long-time Britney fan stating this. Aha. I'm over these talent shows, whoever wins doesn't do anything anymore. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 17:47, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * God u just took my brain haha. I 100% agree with all you said. Britney needs to stick to what she does :).. I feel bad for Idol :( It just dropped in ratings and JLo is probably not going back. I hope they get someone like Janet to judge, that'd be WOW. True!! Exactly. However, Scotty who won Idol last year, his album did sell like 1 million copies XD but im sure he won't last long. And what about that girl, i even forgot her name, Melanie something who won X Factor?! Where is she lmao?! − Soap  Jar 17:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Britney is a marketing ploy since he fired Nicole and Paula, that's my stance on it. I stopped watching Idol once Adam Lambert lost, I lost the drive for it all. It's all rigged anyway. I don't know who Scotty is. I do know that Melanie is reportedly recording her album, which will likely tank. It isn't about talent anymore. They vote for these people, they win and then do not support the music. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 17:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

So true, so true. The white guy always wins haha. True, but Adam's laughing now; he got a #1 album, so yea everyone know he should've won but he's the true winner anyway. Yea, it's rigged lol. − Soap  Jar 18:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Adam I love. He should get single and get with me. I have a wicked crush on him! And it is rigged. But look at other non-winners: Jennifer Hudson, Katharine McPhee and Adam! They're all doing fantastic!! Music Freak 7676 TALK! 18:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Quick question
Hey, I just had a quick question; do you know if photos can be uploaded for a sandbox page? Because technically sandboxes aren't articles, and photos have to be in articles. And also, I was thinking that once I find some more info/sources I can create an article for Ronan, because he has a lot of background info and there are tons of sources for him out there. And maybe, eventually a page for Eden. Let me know.  Creativity 97  (Talk)  17:01, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No, they cannot. Images should not be used in sandboxes per WP:NONFREE and WP:FAIRUSE. As for Ronan and Eden pages, I do not know if they qualify for pages really, especially given other characters on the show. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 17:15, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I reckon that if you have enough real-world sources (like interviews, character information about the type of character they are, casting, development,etc.) for Eden & Ronan they are definitely notable enough. They've both been around awhile :) Sorry for disturbing just thought i'd share my opinion ;) − Soap  Jar 17:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

GREAT PHYLLIS PHOTO!!! It's so recent and amazing quality. Good find!!  Creativity 97  (Talk)  22:01, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It was a bitch to get, but I finally got it. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 22:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, true it's hard to make it look good but u did a fine job finding that pic :) (lol joke)  —Soap  Jar  07:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

phyllis picture
i just wanted to say that i love the new picture of phyllis that you put up Palicami (talk) 02:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 02:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I miss Soaps
I'm gonna started watching Y&R full time again and I'm gonna start editing Soap pages again i miss it lol :D It's wherrre i belongg. I miss collaborating w/ you & C97 so much!!  —Soap  Jar  07:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * YOU BETTER! It's old school, revisiting Phyllis' past! And it is where you belong missy! You are missed! Music Freak 7676 TALK! 16:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just been busy w/ JLo stuff and other stuff;-) Btw, what do you mean when you say the split section works on Phyllis Summers? For people like Sharon it is split because the character left :). Just wondering. Ikr i can't wait to see the link on that *$%*@**!!! Face. I'm so sad about Sharon's character at the moment. I't not only boring but it's true that they have "assassinated" the character lmao.  —Soap  Jar  11:22, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I see I see. Yeah, I've been busy with doing my soap projects!! And I am loving "Shictor". They're awesome and Sharon finally has a backbone and isn't treated like she needs to be saved by someone! Music Freak 7676 TALK! 16:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Lucas Horton

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. 

The article and talk page should be at Lucas Horton because that is what he is going by and he has been going by that name for five years. So excuse me for doing something right. The King Gemini (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No. It shouldn't. Per WP:COMMONNAME and discussion, it belongs at Roberts. It's his common name and that's where it belongs. So excuse me for coming to you nicely to tell you about Wikipedia policy and for coming to me with an attitude, which I do not welcome on my page. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 21:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

It actually should because now "Lucas Horton" is his common name. And don't mock me. It sickens me. The King Gemini (talk) 22:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No. Because according to a search, more claim Roberts over Horton. And excuse me? Please do not return to my talk page. I've been nothing but kind and you've been nothing but insulting to me.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. 

Another quick question
Hey I was wondering if for B&B character articles the episode number that they first/last appeared should be listed or not. Like on Bill Spencer, Jr. it says Episode [xxxx] and underneath May 12, 2009, and then on others it just says the date. So just the date or both date and episode no.?  Creativity 97  (Talk)  22:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe B&B is the only soap to include the Episode No. I've tried removing and they kept being placed back. It personally does not bother me at all. B&B is probably the easiest to list Episode Nos. for. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 22:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, considering how no other soaps do that for their articles, as you said because its the easiest, I think it's kind of dumb, like when each soap used to have different infobox colors. Anyway, thanks for the clarification.  Creativity 97  (Talk)  02:50, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay then......? You're welcome, I guess? Music Freak 7676 TALK! 02:51, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Todd Manning image again
Hey, Musicfreak7676. Will you keep a lookout for anyone uploading a new image of Todd onto the one you uploaded? I just reverted Mr.Slinks, pointing him to the File talk:RogerHowarthToddManning2011.jpg discussion where he is more than welcome to weigh in and attempt to gain new WP:Consensus for a different image. Flyer22 (talk) 19:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely. I always check images and what's been newly uploaded. That user didn't even bother updating rationale. Some users are just very lazy. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 19:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Images on character lists???
Are we not allowed to use images in character lists or is their something wrong with the licensing specifically; if so, what is the problem, and how can I fix it?--Nk3play2 my buzz 17:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been told in the past that the way we do images for character pages cannot be done on actual character decade lists. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 18:00, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * But I don't get why; at least those characters currently appearing on the series should have images. I've never understood why having images on character lists isn't allowed.--Nk3play2 my buzz 18:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's just what I've been instructed Nick. Sorry. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 18:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Your vandalism report
I declined the request to block AdabowtheSecond that you made at the Administrator intervention against vandalism noticeboard. That behaviour is definitely problematic and I recommend you take it to Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. The vandalism noticeboard is just for blatant, ongoing vandalism that needs immediate blocking. The admins and others that work on the edit-warring noticeboard deal with ownership issues like the one your dealing with.

I'm sorry you're having to hassle with this and I appreciate your work on these sorts of things.-- A. B. (talk • contribs) 01:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay A.B.! Don't feel bad or anything about it. I will likely take it to AN/EW. I just know I want to nip it in the bud! Music Freak 7676 TALK! 01:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Babe Carey image again
Hey again, Musicfreak. Some minutes ago, I just noticed your new image for Alexa Havins as Babe Carey. For some reason, I wasn't notified on my talk page when the infobox image I uploaded of her was discarded. While I like the image you uploaded for Amanda Baker, I still prefer the previous one for Havins. Flyer22 (talk) 01:27, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want me to upload a different version of the previous image of what you had I will. I just felt the image I did choose was, in my view, a much more flattering image over-all. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 01:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * By "different version," do you mean a different image from the same photo shoot? Or the same image but uploaded by you? As for more flattering, I can't help but consider the previous one to be more flattering. LOL, our tastes differ sometimes when it comes to images, but that's what makes us individuals.


 * I have to leave Wikipedia for a bit right now, and will get back to you on this. Flyer22 (talk) 01:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Our tastes do differ. I just believe that the current one is just a bit more opening, if you get that I mean. And by different version, I mean an edited, higher quality one of the previous image you had. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 01:45, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sometimes we agree; sometimes we don't. No biggie there. And we have been able to work out compromises (images or otherwise), which is just one reason I respect you around here. But as for this particular case, yes, I would appreciate you uploading a higher-quality version of the previous image and using that to replace the current one. But aside from higher-quality, I'd prefer that it look just like the previous image. Flyer22 (talk) 08:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I can try and make it look like the previous image. I can try my best to get it up by the end of the week, is that an alright time frame for you? Or would you like it done sooner? And I respect you, too. It's about compromise and coming to an agreement on something. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 16:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's fine, Musicfreak. No rushing necessary. You can also request undeletion of the previous image if you don't remember what it looks like as clearly as you want to or if you feel that you can increase the quality of that version. Flyer22 (talk) 00:15, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh I know the exact image you uploaded before, it's one of the only bigger Alexa Havins images on the web. Aha. No need to request for an undeletion of the image, I should be fine Flyer!! Music Freak 7676 TALK! 00:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Your message on User talk:69.57.104.58
I'm sorry if this seems strange or random, but I noticed that you left a message on User talk:69.57.104.58 using the template, and I wanted to talk to you about it. I'm guessing that the edits in question were these ones to Starr Manning, since you reverted his/her edits there. However, your note didn't include the name of the article, so it makes it hard for the anon to figure out exactly what s/he did that was wrong, which in turn makes it hard for them to do better in the future.

Moreover, I don't think that the use of was appropriate in this case. That template is specifically for edits that constitute disruptive editing or vandalism. Although the anon's edits did go against WP:SOAP, they seem to be done in good faith. He or she probably has no idea what WP:SOAP is, and is just trying to help out. In this case, it probably would have been better to leave a welcome template (or a belated welcome template--there's a few of those out there), and then a more "personalized" note, explaining that you knew the anon didn't mean any harm, but his/her edits went against the WP:SOAP guidelines (preferably using the long version of the title instead of using the shortcut), etc. What may seem to you like a routine revert-and-warn could unintentionally scare away someone who doesn't realize they've done something wrong.

Anyways, sorry again for the word vomit. Oh, and if you reply here, would you please lmatb on my talk page? (The talkback is preloaded with your username and a time stamp--all you have to do is click save!) Thanks, and happy editing! — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 17:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I only left such a template as I've been yelled at by other members amount warnings left on talk pages so I just leave templates to avoid being yelled at by the selected user(s). And it was disruptive per WP:SOAPS, so that's the template I chose. I'm doing what I see as right so that way I avoid this, weeks later, feeling like once again what I'm doing is completely invalid.


 * And I know how to do talk backs. I'm well aware of how to use them. I appreciate you for your concern, however, I do not see anything wrong with how I handled said situation. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 18:03, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think there might be some confusion here. The anon's edits did go against WP:SOAPS, but Disruptive editing defines disruptive edits as something completely different than what went on with the anon. The anon's edits were just due to lack of clue. If s/he had continued making similar edits despite gentle, specific explanation of why they're wrong, then it would be classed as disruptive.


 * I do understand the ease of using template warnings, but this one was just a little too harsh. I looked through the warning template table, and there isn't a warning that seems to fit the situation of newbie-innocently-goes-against-guideline, but comes pretty darn close. It reads:

"Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits appears to have been misguided, and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you."


 * While it doesn't quite fit with this situation, it does a better job of not being bitey than . What I can do is create a template that says something along the lines of:

"Welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions! Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits [to ArticleNameHere] appears to have been against {one of Wikipedia's guidelines"

- the [GuidelineNameHere] guideline}, and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you.


 * That way it makes your point, while still assuming good faith, and allows you to link to both the article the edits were made to and the guideline that was violated. It's not too much trouble for me to create a uw-type template--I'm pretty sure I've created one before. What do you think? Is it worth a try? Thanks, — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 18:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Really I understand where you're coming from, but from my own experience, it's not harsh at all. It saves me from being yelled at by an editor or two for not being kind to other members. So I guess I will just continue to do what I do and try and stop those from making such edits. I appreciate you coming to me, however, I don't see the need to link to the specific article. I really do not. That's just my take on it all. Nor do I understand why you're pin-pointing one IP address from the beginning of the month, etc. I don't know. But thank you for coming to me and explaining your concern, I do appreciate such. I don't see it as "bitey" or else the template would not be there to begin with. They're there for us users to use, which is what I have been and will continue to use. =) Music Freak 7676 TALK! 18:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that the template is bitey in and of itself--rather, the usage in this case could be seen as bitey (not saying your intentions were bitey--quite the opposite!). Keep in mind that that message was the first interaction that user had with other WP editors. It's easy to unintentionally scare off/bite newbies--I've done it myself a few times. And this is a situation I've actually come across a couple times now (with other users), so I think I'll go ahead and make the template so others can make use of it. It's a simple process, especially because it's a single-level warning. I'll post a link to the template when I'm done. Cheers, — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 18:50, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Done! The template is at . =) Happy editing, — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 19:19, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:YOUTUBE
I just wanted to make you aware that there isn't a blanket ban on linking to YouTube. Is YouTube allowed for copyrighted material? Absolutely not. We obviously cannot use it to source a character mentioning someone's middle name or birthday, which seems to be what I see happening most often. However, you should probably read WP:YOUTUBE, WP:ELOFFICIAL, and WP:ABOUTSELF. The video appears to be from Jen Lilley's official account, though I'm not sure if YouTube has verified accounts like Twitter and Facebook. So if an actor says they're no longer working, have been bumped to recurring, etc on their official social media site, we have no reason to doubt the veracity of the claim. This isn't a blanket endorsement of using these sites in articles, but there also isn't a blanket ban on them. AniMate 08:02, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * According to what I've been told as per WP:SOAPS we cannot use social media sites, especially concerning the cast lists. And if we can, you need to talk to those members, not me. Because I'm going on what I've been told by such members so that way I don't seem like the asshole everyone wants to make me seem. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 15:19, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:SOAPS isn't a policy or guideline page, its a coordination page with no official power to dictate anything. We go by policy, and policy clearly states that a person's official social media sites can be used as a source about themselves. Are these ideal sources? Not really, but they are allowed. And I don't think you're an asshole. I'm just letting you know the policy so that in the future you don't automatically revert these kinds of edits. AniMate 20:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, then go to user Rm994 about it, too then. Because they're the one who told me about it and keep removing these things. And possibly Raintheone too because they're all telling me these things, which I then dictate to others, which then makes me look like the asshole of it all. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 16:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Question
Hey, I was wondering something about Victor and Nikki's second invalid marriage: was it in 1998 or 1999? Because from what I've read Nikki was shot by Veronica Landers in 1998 and Victor supposedly divorced Diane and married Nikki on her deathbed. Nikki survived; Victor and Diane's divorce was never processed and they reunited. So wouldn't the marriage have occurred in 1998, not 1999? Let me know. And I will be offline until mid-week in case you should need me :)  Creativity 97  (Talk)  17:10, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me check. By next week my time on Wikipedia will be limited to 2-3 days per week due to work committments. But I will definitely check this out for you and get back. '98 seems like the right time for me. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 17:12, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. It makes more sense being 1998. Scott Hamner is out? Interesting. If MAB goes does that mean that Y&R will get better storylines? LOL!!  Creativity 97  (Talk)  23:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * MAB is OUT! Jill Farren Phelps is the new EP and Josh Griffith is the new HW!!  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 23:32, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

What about Hogan Sheffer? He gone too? When will JFP and JG's first episodes air?  Creativity 97  (Talk)  03:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hogan is out, too. And no clue. Air dates have not been announced. If I knew, I'd tell you.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 04:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for the advice re: How to deal with vandalism. However, the way I dealt with it was just fine. The main thing is that it was noticed and corrected. Allukka (talk) 19:24, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I never said what you did was wrong Allukka. I just mentioned that it would be easier on you to revert all at once, and then to warn them. Don't just revert and not warn. Music Freak 7676 TALK! 19:32, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Question Part II
hey guys :) sorry to interrupt... I'm getting back in to the groove of Soaps :D By the way, @Creativity, I had a really good look for sources for Eden's section i was talking about but wasn't very successful. Sorry to be a pain, but can either of you help me look for sources for this new section on Sharon's article: Sharon Newman.:) Get back to me.. Also, i need your input. I was thinking of starting a WikiProject for Y&R :) Just so we can get all core character pages to a good standard (or atleast the standard that Eden's article is at now, it's better then most..) I was thinking of completely revamping Victor's page...but I'm gonna neeed some help to tackle the beast lol. Let me know :)  —Arre  JLover  04:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I moved your thing Arre, I just hate when others interrupt conversations. It's a wicked pet-peeve of mine. I honestly and truthfully, do not think we'll find a good plethora of articles on Sharon's kleptomania. It's not been a big enough storyline to warrant enough sourcing. As for re-doing Victor, if you wish to do it, go ahead. But I personally don't feel invested in it since I am over the character of Victor.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 05:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm, I do. There are already a few sources in another section, but okay... I only did that because i wanted to ask both you & Creativity, sorry. Sorry  —Arre  JLover  05:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't be sorry, aha. It's just a major pet-peeve of mine to have conversations interrupted. It screws with my mindset, aha. And if you want to do the section, do it. I just don't see it as something I believe is "note-worthy" since this is the second time within a two-year period she's done it.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 05:20, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, what? What do you mean she's doing it? Is she doing it right now lol? By the way, I'm basically trying to move all notable storylines into "development" so i can eventually erase the storylines section, and rename the other section to "development and storylines" or something similar. I was thinking of merging Kleptomania with the baby-stealing storyline.. What'd ya think?  —Arre  JLover  05:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * She started it again last week, aha. And since she's klepto again, I think merging isn't going to work, since the baby isn't stolen this time around. She only does it under major life-altering events. And hey, if that's what you wish to do, do it. I've never been a huge Sharon fan really. She's one of those characters, to me, that if she left the show, I'd feel nothing. But I have back issues of SOD that I could look through sometime if you want? I gtg though, it's time for me to sleep.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 05:33, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * GOD what a crazy bitch she is. OML i didn't know, I need to stop skipping parts! Haha.. Yea true. Actually, this would make it the 3rd time she's gone Klepto haha i guess right? haha.. You're right. It's not only about her klepto stuff, but about her behavior during that 2009 storyline. Night  —Arre  JLover  05:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Her third time? Her first was when Nick left Sharon for Phyllis after they lost Faith and now she's doing it again when she can't have all her men in her bed. Aha.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 05:40, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, haha, If you're counting by years she's had it 3 times, but if not, she's had it 4 times (April 2009, August 2009, November 2010, recently)..what do you mean? After Sharon 'lost' Faith she didn't have Kleptomania.  —Arre  JLover  01:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I never pay attention to Sharon anyway, aha. She's a mess and should just go. Aha.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 01:17, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Pictures
OMG I just noticed your Diane images and they're FANTASTIC!! I saw it said July 3 but I guess I hadn't been on Diane's page in so long I didn't notice! SO MUCH BETTER THAN THOSE UGLY SCREENCAP IMAGES!! Please excuse my excitement I just love them so much LOL.  Creativity 97  (Talk)  19:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It took me forever to find a good quality image of Maura as Diane forever. And once I did, I immediately went to update it all like they deserved, aha!!  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 19:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha!! Also, I had a question (again): For characters who have been previously portrayed by child actors, do we now post all the adult portrayers in the "Portrayed by" column and then say (and child actors)? For example, on Heather's page, it lists Vail Bloom, Eden Riegel and Jennifer Landon with their years, and then says (and child actors). So do we do that for all characters now?  Creativity 97  (Talk)  21:46, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If there are less than four contract actors/actresses, all are listed, such as with Heather Stevens and then you list the "others" as child actors. So -4 = All listed with "child actors"/ 4+ = Only recent listed with "others". Also, I have a better photo of Ronan if you don't mind me uploading?  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 21:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Sure go ahead, I was struggling and just uploaded that one. Knowing you it's good quality, yes?  Creativity 97  (Talk)  21:58, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It is very high quality. I would never intentionally upload a MQ/LQ image, especially to a soap article with the state their in.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 22:00, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I know. I was semi-joking, aha. I found a ton of Ronan sources today and added them, not even thinking it be ready for publish but I hit a source jackpot and it was good to go! LOL. BTW, do you still have that J.T. image you spoke about a month back? If so maybe you could upload it. No rush or anything, though.  Creativity 97  (Talk)  22:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I should have it, if I find it. I know I'm busy working on my Gen page. 17 sources for Casting/Development only. I am damn good if I say so myself.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 22:10, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright. I did take a look at your Gen page, and also I got rid of mine as there's no need for it now. It was just a copy of her entry on the 2010s page with some minor sources I added. No big woop. Aha, I guess you're good. If you need any help, you know where to find me!  Creativity 97  (Talk)  22:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha, thanks C97! I'm just working on re-doing her whole storyline section from the past 14-16 months. It's going to be a lot of work and I look forward to doing it!! G'Job on the Ronan Malloy page, I quite enjoy it!!  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 22:15, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks!! :D  Creativity 97  (Talk)  22:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind if I took over Kyle? I've started a sandbox and I have a good deal of sources but I know you have a sandbox too. Let me know.  Creativity 97  (Talk)  17:05, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay then. If you wanna do Kyle, you can do it.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 17:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks!!  Creativity 97  (Talk)  20:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Anytime.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 20:12, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, I was wondering if for concluded soaps we post "series finale" as the cause/reason for their departure or just leave it blank.  Creativity 97  (Talk)  21:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Series finale for the cause if they appeared within the last seven airing days.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 21:49, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks again!  Creativity 97  (Talk)  21:51, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Anytime man!! No worries!!!  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 21:52, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Did Olivia return for Cane and Lily's second wedding in February? Because I know she was there in December for the Neil/Sofia wedding but I can't remember if she came back this year. Do you know/remember?  Creativity 97  (Talk)  18:03, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh. I can't even remember yesterday man. She did, though.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 18:19, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.
Thanks for editing/ updating the YR section of the Jill Farren-Phelps article. You beat me to it... I was literally about to make the change. Thanks especially for including a citation. :D Norlns22 (talk)
 * Aha, anytime! I am all about citations. I am a stickler for that stuff. Plus, as a long-time fan of Y&R I am very excited to see was Ms. Phelps will do with the series. Also, make sure to sign your posts with the correct procedure. :D  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 20:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

New editor ElleBookworm
When you can, I'd appreciate you helping to keep an eye on this editor's edits at the Todd Manning article, or any other soap opera article you may spot him or her at. As you may have seen, I recently had to revert the editor for adding too much plot to the Todd Manning article. But now I see that he or she has also been making biased edits to the article by editing Todd and Téa's history in a way that makes it seem as though they didn't love each other deeply, Blair wasn't jealous of their relationship, Téa didn't help him with his split personality case/didn't divorce him that first time to help him with it, he didn't come back to Llanview in 2001 only after Téa dumped him...stuff like that. Also, regarding this edit he or she made, do you know which is correct -- did Todd inherit 27.8 million or 30 million? Flyer22 (talk) 19:03, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I will definitely keep an eye open on those articles for you. It's obvious this user is adding a lot of fancraft that also violates WP:PLOT. As for as his inheritance, I have not heard anything of that nature on General Hospital.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The inheritance topic is early Todd Manning history. I think you once stated that you didn't watch One Life to Live as regularly as you did some other soap operas. Am I remembering that correctly? Or were you speaking of General Hospital? Flyer22 (talk) 02:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It was One Life to Live. I didn't get into non-CBS soaps until 2008. And OLTL was never one of the ones I got into.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 02:06, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You must have watched One Life to Live occasionally, though, since you were a little familiar with Todd and editing the article sometime before it was revealed that he'd be joining General Hospital. Either that, or you'd simply heard of Todd by watching a few times and by reading/listening to what other soap opera viewers have stated about him. Flyer22 (talk) 16:51, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No. I watched it when Kim Zimmer and Terri Conn came on and saw how horrible the writing for their talent was, so I quit then. I knew of him and his rape storyline because I knew Roger from ATWT. I knew of him but I watched the show for like three to four weeks then quit because I didn't like it at all.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I believe that if you had started watching the show in its earlier years (for example, I started watching it when I was 10 because of the Todd Manning rape storyline), you would have liked it. It's difficult to get into a soap opera without having experienced a lot of the history that came before it; I've tried it with other soap operas and was only able to get into certain storylines before being disinterested in the whole show or continuing to watch it for only a certain storyline or two. It's sort of like watching the last season of a primetime show and being confused by everything that came before, even while liking that last season. Flyer22 (talk) 17:02, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well when Todd came onto the show, I was just born. And my mom was a CBS gal only, so I grew up on all those shows. I was able to get into every single soap except for OLTL. I just found the writing very bland and very slow. It wasn't juicy enough for me to grasp. I hear prior to RC it was an amazing soap to watch.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page!
 * Like all soap operas, it's been better or worse under different head writers, and there are viewers who consider it better or worse during a certain year or era. But I'm sure that most viewers would agreed that the 1992-1998 time period was stellar; that belief is also based on some message board posts I've seen. I can't judge the show before 1992, since I wasn't watching then, but I've heard from viewers who have been watching it longer than me/are significantly older than me, that it was generally good and often times stellar before 1992 -- before Todd was introduced to the series -- as well. But then again, most of the soap operas were better in the 70s/80s/90s. Just like most films these days don't measure up to what came out in earlier decades. Flyer22 (talk) 17:46, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is back in the 1970s to mid 1990s, soaps had a budget to do these extraordinary storylines. I always enjoyed ATWT, but they lost a lot of their viewers when they let Martha Byrne leave in 2008. The week after she left, rating plummeted. That did them if. If MB had stayed, I can promise they'd still be on air.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 17:56, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand what you mean about budget, but, as you know, extraordinary storylines can be told without much of a budget. Most of soap operas' storylines weren't shot out of the studio. Besides any bad writing that might happen, the actors not being right for the parts or the romantic pairings they are in and some of them simply not being good actors, it's mainly that most of the storylines have become repetitive because we've seen them before; writers need to give fresh spins to old tales (not just churn out remakes) and need to try thinking outside of the box more; being original. Flyer22 (talk) 14:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Eh, I just never fell into the One Life fold. I did not find it an attractive soap opera. And as a soap fan, being bashed for that and not saying by you, I'm saying in general. I think soaps need more originality, and if they're reusing a storyline, make sure it's not noticeable that they're retelling with new characters, etc. Retell it in a way we can't know it's reused.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:37, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely agree about the originality aspect. Although, for example, I'm sure we can both spot a "Who's the Daddy?" storyline a mile away, no matter how they retell it, LOL. Flyer22 (talk) 17:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Or the never-changing "Who stole my baby and gave me this dead baby" storyline!  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 17:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Kyle
I think my Kyle sandbox is good to go for publish, and I was wondering if you could maybe take a look and tell me what you think. I know you're under new time constraints, so no rush or anything. Whenever you feel like it, if you want to, that is :).  Creativity 97  (TALK)  02:40, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I, personally, would put more sourcing into it. I mean, I view it as fine right now but I would [personally] really put more into it. But over-all, a decent job. And yeah I'm time restricted since Wiki has gone from recreational to more and I have to scale back.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 03:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Alright, what else do you think I should add? I have info on his child actors and a mini-interview from Garrett Ryan, casting info/sources for Blake Hood and an interview from him. Any suggestions?  Creativity 97  (TALK)  03:48, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Just more sources, LOL. I don't feel like 23 is personally enough.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 04:09, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Also, in the latest issue of SOD on the Comings and Goings page, it spells Traci's married name as Connelly, not Connolly. So which is right?  Creativity 97  (TALK)  15:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've always seen it as Connolly on the show. Sometimes publications misspell names. I've seen Ashley's name misspelled in SOD so many times. And so many errors in the magazine.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

What happened to the photos of the past opening credits of Y&R? I thought they were essential to be there. Were they deleted? :(  Creativity 97  (TALK)  16:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Since nothing was sourced, they were removed.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:44, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Too bad. Anyway I added a ton of things to my Kyle page, is 40 sources better than 23? LOL!! I think that's about all more I can add. What do you think?

Also, I had a question concerning WP:SOAPS. When a character has made several reappearances from beyond the grave (Cassie, John Sr.) do we post their final appearance alive or as a ghost?  Creativity 97  (TALK)  20:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Colton hockey11
Hi Musicfreak7676. I've declined to block this user, whom you reported at AIV, because his edits, though somewhat disruptive, are not actually vandalism (that is to say, a deliberate attempt to damage the integrity of the encyclopedia). He seems to genuinely think he is making improvements. However, his failure to use edit summaries, refusal to enter into discussion, attitude and personal attack on you (for which I've warned him) are not conducive to community encycopledia-building. I'd therefore suggest that if you cannot get anywhere by reasoning with him, you take the issue to ANI instead. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:31, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thank you so much. I may go there if they continue with their disruptive edits.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Before this edit, they left another attack upon me.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:47, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Yunshui 雲‍水 07:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Kyle image
Hey, I published my Kyle page, and I uploaded an image of Garrett Ryan as Kyle but I think it's too big. If you're up to it, would you be interested in using your resizing powers to make it look better? Only if you want to. It's at Garrett Ryan as Kyle.png  Creativity 97  (TALK)  18:50, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * When I get a minute to myself, which I haven't had in weeks. I had 45 minutes to do 3-4 hours of work before I go to work. If the image is too large to begin with, don't upload it. That's just my personal tip.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 18:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

It's just looks too large on the page is what I mean. And thanks.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  18:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There's nothing I can do about that. That means the image is too small.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 18:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay I'll figure it out. Thanks.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  18:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I put it into the article as a stand only image. It's the only way it'll work. Also, that quote box is a bit too large. Anyway we could remove a bit of the information?  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 18:57, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

If you want to trim it down, go right ahead.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  18:02, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I will when I have time. I don't even sleep anymore.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 18:05, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay. And I hope that's an exaggeration! LOL.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  19:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's honestly not. I've gotten like four hours of sleep the past six days.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 19:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Recent character photos
The recent character photos you have uploaded have been extremely good. Prime examples are the pictures of Elizabeth Hendrickson, Jennifer Landon and Melissa Claire Egan. The best ones of them I have ever seen, in fact. Nice work.Allukka (talk) 09:29, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh why thank you so much Allukka. I know soap articles tend to get a bad wrap, and I'm definitely trying to bring them to a higher quality and images really help that out. So to know they're being appreciated, I appreciate that.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 17:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Dayzee Leigh
Hey MF! I was thinking of expanding a little on my sandbox for Dayzee of B&B and then publish it, what do you think? Should i publish it? She isn't the biggest character, though she has been a regular for nearly 2 years (coming up in 3 months). Tell me your thoughts.  —Arre  JLover  06:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think some of WP:SOAPS should be implimented more like long dash over short dash, and removal of dates from relationships. Plus, I'd [personally] include more than seven sources. But she does deserve a page. I know I'm making a Caroline page!  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 17:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I know i know :) I was just asking you if you think I should work on it then publish it. It's out of date, obviously I haven't edited it in 6 months.  —Arre  JLover  02:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I do think you should work on it and progress it into an article that can be published. Dayzee is important.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 02:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, feel free to add anything if you would like.  —Arre  JLover  03:04, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. I know I have old SOD issues I could probably use for you.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 03:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * WOW! Cool. That'd be great. Also, just wondering why are there splits in the years of "Portrayed By" for characters like Kyle? For example, i think from now on we should do it how it is done here on a Neighbours article. A different actor never played the character during the time they were offscreen; so for Kyle it should just be 2010-12. I think we should have the least amount of clutter in the Info-box, because we already have duration for that information. Also for characters like Carrie Brady this would apply. Nobody else played her during some of those breaks..These are just some suggestions!:) I'm not asking you to do anything, just tell me what you think...  —Arre  JLover  09:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Because it properly represents the actor's portrayal of the role. Because Carrie didn't portray the role continuously, she stopped. I just think it's better to use the full years per actor. Plus, I don't go back Infobox 2 for US Soap characters, because they're two different boxes.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 17:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes but we have duration for that, anyway. I see your point, though.  —Arre  JLover  01:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Gloria
Hey, I was wondering something about Gloria's article; should it be moved to Gloria Bardwell per WP:COMMONNAME? I'm not completely sure, but I know that Gloria does not go by Abbott anymore whatsoever. Let me know. Also, I know you said you hadn't found any, but could you (when you have free time) poke around for a good Nina Webster image? I've been looking for ages but I can't find any good ones. No rush and only if you want to.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  22:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, her commonname is Gloria Abbott Bardwell. And I've told you, there are zero good quality Nina images.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:31, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  18:20, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

My intention was not to "screw up" Chelsea's page. I apologize for the Wikia source as I forgot to remove it. And I do not believe I have "lazy sourcing skills." I do my best. That is all anyone can ask. I was just trying to add some things to make it better.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  18:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Gen
Hey i reckon with a storyline and maybe less quotes, this really should be published. It's great. Chelsea has an article despite being on the show for like, 9 months? If you need any help with anything let me know otherwise, I think you should go ahead and publish it.  —Arre  JLover  06:42, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I already intended on posting my Gen page when I finished it. I don't like people touching my sandboxes so I'll take care of it myself, thank you though. And I published the Chelsea page because I like the character more and worked more on that page than I did for Gen's.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I never did anything to your sandbox ;) I just recommended that you work on it. Okay.  —Arre  JLover  01:35, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I never said you did, lol. And I am working on it. I just have limited amounts of time is all to work on it.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:36, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions
Hey Musicfreak7676, I just would like to give you some suggestions :

- It would be great adding years of romances in the soap opera characters by example the article : Steffy Forrester.

- In the article of Steffy Forrester it would be great to change the picture.

-In the article of Marcus Barber Forrester it would be great to add a picture.

Please consider my suggestions.

Thank you

--JoseFan12 (talk) 13:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)JoseFan12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoseFan12 (talk • contribs) 04:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The picture of Steffy Forrester is fine, and truthfully, per WP:SOAPS, as I've told you, we do not add years for romances. You keep ignoring what I'm telling you and doing as you see fit. And that's not how Wikipedia works.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:29, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Heyy
hey what are u thinking of Soaps lately? We haven't really talked in ages... I cried when Jack died tbh.  —Arre  JLover  01:58, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey you!!!! I know, we haven't chatted in what feels like forever!!! TBH, I never liked Jack as a character, but his departure was really well written. This whole DAYSaster storyline is fucking flawless in my eyes. It's true daytime telling to the degree it was years ago. Other soaps I'm iffed on. How about you?  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 01:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * IKR! I LOVE the DAYSaster! amazing. Oh I thought Jack was annoying but i can't believe that just let him go, just like that. If he was crushed in an elevator there is no chance of him being alive, but it is soaps. Soaps, especially DOOL, seems less fantasy now if you knwo what I mean; not many people come back from the dead. Like, what do you think about Stefano? Is he really gone.. Yes DAYS has really stepped up atm. I'm only concerned about Sharon on Y&R. THat's it. What do you think about Ridge leaving B&B and Bo leaving DOOL? So many people leaving soaps this year :(. Random question: Do you think that the writers would have kept Ridge with Taylor if her face wasn't so..um..."Different", or do you think that has nothing to do with it? (soz for the randomness.) I'm annoyed at DOOL for the Sami/EJ/Lucas thing. I've been waiting for years for Sami and EJ to be together but i have started to get back to loving "Lumi" again. UGH.  —Arre  JLover  01:05, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a soap opera, anyone can come back from again, aha. DAYS was always out of the box, especially during the whole Devil possession storyline. But lately they've become more realistic in their storytelling, which I have been madly in love with it. Perfect, modern day soap opera!! Stefano isn't gone. I wish he were. He's annoying and needs to GTFO. And I am loving Sharon right now, she's a character I can finally root for. She's got this cockiness about her now that I love. After today, if she reverts back to this damsel, they should just kill her off. And TBH, the whole Ridge and Taylor thing, I don't think they belonged. It was him and Brooke. He's always chosen Brooke and always will. This last time leaving Taylor proved it. It's Brooke he loves and wants to be with. And him leaving the show, thank the lord! As for Bo leaving, kind of sad but kind of not. And ew, hate Sami+EJ. Was finally starting to like Sami+Lucas.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 01:10, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Omg so true that's why DOOL rocks. Yea i just found out Stefano is alive :L as usual..it's like, do we even care anymore? Haha. Me too I didn't mind her damsel behavior tbh, but I loved how she barged into the Board meeting and was like 'don't think about messing with me' or something. Ha. I would love for Sharon to die and make a triumphant return. lol. Hmm, you know before Tylo started disagreeing with storylines, they always had Ridge go back to Taylor and Brooke was needy one. They turned it around and now Taylor is just a useless boring character. I wonder what will happen when he leaves the show tho. Bo? I'm sad of him leaving :( grew up watching him and Hope. Best couple on DOOL ever. Ugh what do you think about that whole Ian crap? I'm so glad Madison is dead. ikr? Well i always loved Sami/EJ but recently i was like omggg Lumiii...  —Arre  JLover  13:01, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I HATE THAT MADISON IS DEAD!!!!! HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE AMAZINGNESS OF BRADISON!!!!!!!! This stronger Sharon, thanks to Victor, is what I love about the character now. If they revert her, she should be murdered off. And Taylor was ALWAYS a boring, useless character on the show, why do you think they kept killing her off? And I hate Hope "Fancy Face" Williams Brady. I've never liked her in the bit. But yes, DAYS is the best soap on air.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL SORRY Boo i just found her character boring 0_o...the actress was okay though... Sharon can't be murdered off for good, maybe for a little while.... her character is interesting. She may be a slut or damsel, but she's interesting to watch either way, SC is underrated. I hate how they give MS praise cause she is older and seems like a vet. Taylor hasn't always been boring. Have you seen the 1990s episodes? She was a strong, no-nonsense beautiful doctor :) I loved her character, but 2000to present, she has been irrelevant other then the time she came back. WHAT?! you hate Hope? oml..what did Hope do lmfaoo. I love Jennifer. True DOOL is amazing right now. Better then the rest. B&B has been boring for 2 years now, sick of it!  —Arre  JLover  07:50, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The character was amazing until Ian Buchanan came onto the show and had his character ruin the happiness of her and Brady. I'm so sad about that. And Sharon Newman can and should be murdered off if she becomes a weak little whinebag ever again. I would want her killed off. I hated the character until her amazing pairing with Victor Newman. Sharon Case is a fine actress, but the role of Sharon until now has not been the best to showcase her acting abilities. And Michelle Stafford is a FANTASTIC actress. I love her as an actress and even more so as a person. And no. I've hated Hope Williams Brady for the longest time. I just see her as a character that is so disposable. And Jennifer Horton is an amazing character when she's not with Jack Deveraux. But the actress I am sorely disappointed in.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:30, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL Ian. His character is so weird...I always found Madison so boring and pointless, lol. I accept Sharon anyway she is, I wouldn't want her gone just because of her actions. She's been a steady and consistent character in the past 18 years; it's not like someone like Nikki, who has been in and out so damn much in recent times. Sharon's pairing w/ Victor is okay but totally ruined so many aspects of their father/daughter relationship, still a little yuck. Hmm, I have to disagree. SC's showcased her acting abilities several times in confrontation. I mean she really gets you convinced. I just hope now that MAB is gone she gets some stability back. LOL Phyllis is such a mess; I'm not a fan of MS...I always found her too expressive, but she's funny tho. Jennifer+Jack are forever ;( omg I wish watching old Melaswen storyline scenes I had on DVD. Gah..i remember Soaps back in the day (even though it wasn't that long ago ha) they owned.  —Arre  JLover  08:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I hope the Jill Farren Phelps keeps Sharon Newman insane, or I'll demand the character be killed off since she's worthless. I hate her with a burning passion. And I hated Jack Deveraux. And Melissa Reeves is on my bad side at the moment due to the Chick-Fil-A bullshit. DAYS still owns. I was so bored without it during their two-week hiatus, it was miserable!  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 12:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Lmfao *contains fan girl* I understand. I have a passion for hating PhyHO too lmaooo!! Jack was boring a bit but he is so funny and idk he's classic Days :(. Ikr! I was so curious about the DAYsaster for those 2 week sit was killing me! It's so good now tbh. I can actually watch full episodes unlike Y&R or B&B.  —Arre  JLover  05:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * DAYS have been AMAZING since its relaunch in September. I loved it since then and love it now. It's the best soap on air, and they still honor their vets in new and inventive ways, unlike the other soaps that let them walk after 25+ years.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 14:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Very true, I've been hooked since November last year. Hey I don't mean to pry into your business but I noticed you and c97 having a little bit of an argument..is everything okay? :((  —Arre  JLover  08:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been hooked since September. Watched off/on since ATWT was cancelled, and it's a beautiful series. The talent is top notch as well. And truthfully Arre, I'd like to not talk about it at all. Because I'm not letting it affect me in my editing or myself as a person.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 12:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Aw i miss ATWT. It's all good, :) It's just you're both two good friends, but I understand if you don't wanna talk about it. Also i was meaning to ask you, are you going to be sourcing storylines for all pages you create from now on?  —Arre  JLover  12:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ATWT was and still is the best soap on air to date!! And I appreciate the concern Arre, I just cannot align myself with people who I don't see a positive influences in my life. And why, is that an issue for you? I see it as keeping the page actually sourced and keeps it to fit notability terms.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 12:46, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * True about AWTWT. I don't get why viewers stuck through w/ Y&R through the awful MAB times, oh well. I completely get what you mean. Oh, no, Its not an issue. I find it really good actually, makes the page tonnes more reliable than it already is. I was thinking of sourcing some Sharon storylines, I like what you've been doing:) Atleast we know from now one the sl sections for newly created pages won't get out of hand like they have in the past.  —Arre  JLover  12:52, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * They definitely won't be outta hand and then we can keep track of how crazy they can get. I know I plan on working on my Gen page this upcoming week when I get a few moments.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 14:48, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

GH Vandalism - IP 65.32.171.92
User/IP address 65.32.171.92 has made multiple error edits. I see you gave them warnings and thought you could help block or ban them. I've been trying to fix the changes they made but it is cumbersome. I've fixed the Sam Morgan and Alexis Davis pages so far but looking at their history they have made numerous changes. I can give more detail if necessary, I'm new at editing. Thanks! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 00:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have noticed them and technically, they haven't been warned enough under Wikipedia standards to warrant a block from the website. And even that would not stop them. And welcome to Wiki!  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 00:01, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I'm trying to send them another warning but having trouble figuring it out. Looks like they are making a lot of changes based off fan fiction. Does the Wiki community have to clean up all the incorrect changes? One change I'm not sure on, maybe you know - was Veronica Wilding the adoptive mother of Zander Smith? Thanks! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 00:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Anything from the fan fiction needs to be reverted. And warning them won't always work, they'll continue doing the edits. And I am unsure, I haven't been watching GH for decades. Mostly like five to six years, and even my dedication now is dwindling.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 00:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, the IP has been blocked but has made a large number of contributions. Can you confirm all of their contributions are vandalism? If so, I'll rollback them all quickly. Noom talk stalk 00:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've looked and about 99.9% of them are without a shadow of the doubt vandalism.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 00:53, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll help clean up. Just a note, make sure to leave a note when reverting vandalism, makes it much easier to understand the edit :) Noom  talk stalk 00:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I usually do leave a note when reverting, I usually use "Rv to last good edit" or something. Sometimes I accidentally forget, aha.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 00:55, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Think most of it is reverted now, a couple I left intact as they seemed correct and a couple I manually edited as some appeared to contain legitimate information. Also, I sincerely hope you do not retire, your contributions are greatly appreciated and I am greatful for your help identifying this user :). Noom  talk stalk 01:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Awe, why thank you Noommos. I appreciated your help and your very generous, kind words. I just get discouraged a lot with the editing of soap articles. We're all very strongly opinionated viewers and sometimes editors can't seem to just deal with the job that I'm doing trying to keep things as notable as possible.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 01:25, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Judging by your talk page, soaps is an area you are particularly interested in, and I think Wikipedia would sorely miss your contributions in the area. For this, you deserve a barnstar


 * Awe, thank you so much Noommos, it's definitely my first Barnstar! And I am very passionate about soaps, and have been for nearly 14–16 years, so it's something I enjoy studying in. And you're very sweet, thank you so much!  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 01:48, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to thank you both for your help on this. I'm new and if there's anything I can do to help just let me know. Also, I hope you don't retire Musicfreak7676, it looks like you make a lot of great contributions! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 17:27, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Kelly. I'm definitely always on the fence about retirement.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 17:43, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey, just dropping by to say that is blocked for another 2 weeks. If they popup again once it's expired or they come back on another IP, drop a note at WP:AIV, explaining their edit history. I'll be keeping an eye out as well. Noom talk stalk 02:10, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thank you. I usually go to them, but they always tell me that it is content dispute. And they do nothing.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:42, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Jane by Design / Edit warring notice
Hello! I saw that you left an on my talk page. I assume that if you review my edits, you will see that they were removing vandalism - which is exempt from 3RR. Please let me know here if you disagree with my assesment. Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 01:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * From what I've been told, whether it's fighting vandalism or not, it's still a violation of the 3RR. At least that's how it's been described to me when I've tried doing the same thing.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:41, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. If other editors give you grief over removing vandalism, feel free to direct them to WP:3RRNO. In retrospect, I could have made my edit summaries clearer. Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That's fine. It's usually editors who have a specific grudge against me that report me to 3RR and I don't like seeing other editors violating the rule, especially against IPs. And I definitely will, thanks.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 16:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

'Spouse' parameter at Template:Infobox musical artist
I wasn't aware that the 'spouse' parameter was deprecated per apparent consensus at the TP Notice, or I would have immediately rev'd this edit. You learn something new every day around here. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 22:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha. It's fine, no worries.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 23:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
Just wanted to say thanks for helping fix my citations on the GH page. I'm still trying to get the hang of how to do it correctly. Take care! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 23:46, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey it's no problem Kelly!! If you ever have any questions, let me know!  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 00:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Apology from TVFAN24
TVFAN24 is currently indefinitely blocked for his bad behavior, particularly the attack on your talk page. TVFAN24 has written an apology on his talk page, and I have copied it here per his request. You are welcome to do with this what you wish. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:08, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Innapropriate use of warning templates
This was uncalled for. While I 100% agree with you for removing the picture from the article, the warning, on the other hand, was totally uneccessary.

I highly doubt this user had the intention of disrupting the Melody Thomas Scott article. He just thought that the image belonged on the article. He was wrong. But there was nothing there to warrant him a warning. If you wanted to notify him, you should have used a personalized message politely explaining to him why his edit had to be reverted.

Please pay close attention to this. Because these misuses of the user warning templates won't be tolerated for much longer. Thank you. Farine (talk) 00:32, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I try not to use "personalized" warnings since I always get yelled at. I just always get yelled at for doing things on this website, so I guess I'll just stop helping the site from now on and let it be destroyed.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 00:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I did not yelled at you. I would never do something like this. Believe it or not, I have the greatest amount of respect for you, Musicfreak7676. But just because I respect you, does not mean I have to let you put down fellow Wikipedians.


 * If you want to leave this website, this is your decision and I'll respect it. But giving others warnings that they don't deserve is not acceptable and goes directly against the principle of Jimbo Whales and the Wikimedia Foundation.
 * Farine (talk) 00:46, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I never claimed you yelled at me. I'm just done being belittled when other editors are not. I'm done with petty bullshit to be quite honest. And if I do leave, Wiki will lose an editor who truly cares for the better of soap articles.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 00:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I did not belittled you either. But try putting yourself in the shoes of this dude. You gave him a warning that he didn't even deserved. You can't possibly tell me this is okay. Farine (talk) 01:10, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Musicfreak7676, I understand exactly where you're coming from, but you approach here is wrong. Anyone can plainly see that you care a great deal about the articles. Being passionate about editing is generally a good thing. However, the passion you have is manifesting itself in a way that is bad for the encyclopedia. For the most part, you have a very good grasp of policies. However, you often seem to identify editors making mistakes as vandalism. Some editors catch on to our editing practices very quickly. Others need help and encouragement to become productive editors. Warning templates can be quite discouraging, and can, especially when used liberally, be quite discouraging. Editor retention is a problem with Wikipedia, and using automated responses rather than constructive, civil, and collegial discussion is one of the reasons an editor may not stick around.

Take a look at an old copy of Josefan12's talk page before he blanked it. See how many warnings you left him. The only non automated message there is you telling him not to touch your sandbox, and it isn't exactly friendly. In all the warnings you left, did you once consider explaining why his edits violated policy? There definitely is more effort involved in explaining things, but this leads to us gaining productive editors who understand policy. That makes everything you do easier. Instead of you defending the articles you care about against the clueless hordes, you instead would have other knowledgeable editors to collaborate with.

While I hope you don't leave, I wish you well if you do. I don't think Farine or I are picking on you here or belittling you. I am trying to help you improve the way you relate to other editors and that will improve the encyclopedia. Having to read criticism isn't fun, but this is constructive criticism given in good faith. The next time you see someone make a mistake, try talking to them before leaving a warning. Leave a welcome template. Explain why their edit violates policy or isn't constructive. If it's an IP editor, encourage them to make an account. Templates are cheap, talking is not. I could have easily left templated warnings for you multiple times about civility. Instead I have always tried to initiate dialogue. You may not like me or what I have to say, but I have treated you with respect. And above all else,try to remember that the editor who has "damaged" the articles you care so much about is actually a person... and a potential ally. AniMate 04:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Formatting/rollback questions
Hi there, hope all is well! I was wondering if you could take a look at the recent changes on List_of_General_Hospital_cast_members that User_talk:QGregs made. One is a formatting question - I think the en/em dashes removed were actually correct? Also some source removal and rearranging I believe to be incorrect, which leads to my other question - how do you go about rollback/reverting when you want to undo numerous edits such as these? Do you have to contact an admin? (and if so how?) Thanks so much! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 16:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Someone destroyed the GH cast page today. I tried my best to make some corrections to it, but it's still a mess. I just wanted to give you the heads up. I can't spend all the time mending the page, and I know how passionate you are about the page, so hopefully, you're the one who can correct all of the problems. --Ackgh73994 (talk) 17:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi - this is also the article I referenced in my above question. I'm hoping someone can rollback the edits to before that user touched the article. I just read WP:YEAR which states all the hyphens they changed are incorrect and that would be quite time consuming to manually change them. Although, it does look like a lot of the article has incorrect date formatting, re: 1990-1999 vs. 1990-99. I'm guilty of doing that too and just learned it should be the latter. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 17:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for jumping in here, I reverted the dash changes. To rollback revert multiple consecutive edits:


 * Open the pages history, find the revision you want to go back to and select the left radio button (the round selectable cirlces), then go to the latest revision (or whichever revision you want to compare to) and select the right circle.


 * Press the compare selected revisions button, which is at the top and bottom of the page, and it will take you to the diff view like so: . Then you should press the (undo) button displayed on the top right, next to the Revision as of ... text. Your friendly talk page stalker,  Noom  talk stalk 17:58, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * A quick amendment; rollback is different to reverting. You may find Twinkle useful for reverting and restoring articles. Noom  talk stalk 18:01, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you Noommos for the explanation and Musicfreak for the lending of your talk page space :) Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 18:13, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys. Just keep in mind, try and not interrupt sections, please. I get how it was in this instance, it's just a huge pet peeve I have when conversations are interrupted.  Musicfreak7676  my talk page! 18:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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Goodbye :(
Sad to see you gone. I hope it's not because of the B&B cast list thing.. I agree with you about it though. I hope you'll come back... you're an amazing editor and it's a shame to see you gone. All the best, MF. I'll certainly miss you.  —Arre  JLover  06:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You know that I definitely understand your leaving; this place can be far too stressful. It seems that stress was finally too much for you, to the point of quitting. But after some time away, you may find that you want to return. You are needed here, whether you think you are or not. And, yes, you will be missed. Flyer22 (talk) 02:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Maxie
Hey there. I just changed it back cause the picture you had up of her is from "Dirty Soap," not GH. Hope that's ok. --Alexisfan07 (talk) 21:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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List of General Hospital cast members
I saw the changes made to the Cast members list for The Young and the Restless and I was wondering if we could do the same to General Hospital and Days of our Lives?--Nk3play2 my buzz 18:28, 25 September 2012 (UTC)