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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:14, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks
please see my comment on my talk page. Starzoner (talk) 20:48, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

New message from 1234qwer1234qwer4
𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 10:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you please react whether you are like fixing your error? I can put the deleted redirects on a separate page for you; Twinkle has a mass-restoring feature iirc. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 1234qwer1234qwer4 asked for help off-wiki, so I restored these redirects. This is resolved now. —&#8239; The Earwig (talk) 01:10, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰, that I didn't notice that you added on to this old message. I just look at the bottom of the page when I get a talk page notice and I missed your request. My oversight. Thank you, The Earwig for coming to his aid. Liz Read! Talk! 19:52, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: David August (March 5)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:David August and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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 * If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
 * If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:David_August Articles for creation help desk], on the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_McClenon&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:David_August reviewer's talk page] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Robert McClenon (talk) 02:21, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you for your vigilance, AntoineHound. Liz Read! Talk! 02:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Empty category notifications
Hi Liz, could you please add me to your list of those who you won't notify regarding speedy deletion of empty categories. Thanks. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:00, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Happy to add you to the list, Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. Liz Read! Talk! 01:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I need your intervention
Hello Liz, sorry for coming here but I would like to ask you to delete the first four editions that appear here because it seems unfair to me that he claim authorship of something that he didn't really do (I did not create the draft but it is still unfair to the user who created it ). I went here directly because you already know well the behavior of the user in question. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 01:44, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sympathetic to your plight, Bruno Rene Vargas, I think this gaming of the system to have "the first edit" is frankly the most ridiculous behavior I have come across in my 7 years on Wikipedia. But I can't justify deleting someone's edit's to make a point.


 * However, you see more of these sketchy page moves, where a valid draft is blanked and a newer version moved to take its place, please let me know. More of this childish gamesmanship could result in a block. Liz Read! Talk! 01:58, 10 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I have been looking at this list and as you will see there are many drafts created from empty articles. In a quick search I have found again two cases similar to the one I reported previously:
 * this created by AdanXX
 * and this created by HM2021


 * I want to take advantage and also show that there are cases like this or this where there is clearly no interest in creating drafts to continue working on them later. Like these examples, there are hundreds of drafts in these conditions.


 * And as if all this were not enough here you can see that he has a long list of empty articles that he later uses to make movements like this.


 * I have already reported all this on three occasions but there was no sanction except for certain deletions. That is also why I no longer want to go back to report it because they will say that I am harassing him. I hope the links that I provide here will serve you and you find the fairest way to solve all this. Greetings. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 04:00, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Vulpes vulpes amicus
Hello Liz, no such subspecies exists. I have just removed mention of it from the Red fox article, which appears to be where the problem originated according to the creating editor (and possibly where you saw it). Either it has come from some un-WP:RELIABLE website in the past, or someone is having a joke at Wikipedia's expense. Even the Silver fox (animal) article itself is not a subspecies, and certainly not the domesticated form. Thus, I have tagged it as a hoax. William Harris (talk) 07:33, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation, William Harris. When I saw the term in the Red fox article, I thought that the page had been mistakenly tagged. I appreciate your vigilance. Liz Read! Talk! 01:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Liz, I have had a chat with the originator, who created the redirect in good faith because of the classification appearing on the Red fox article. No doubt some other editor found it on an un-WP:RELIABLE website and thought that they were helping by placing it there long ago. A discussion at User talk:Lithopsian has me now sorted out on a the appropriate procedural matters. Regards, William Harris (talk) 04:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Some delicious stroopwafels for you!

 * Yum! Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 02:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Me again...
Excuse me Liz for coming here again but following your advice I come to inform you of this, where clearly the user after seeing that I create this draft again does the same thing that he had been doing previously. I was recently denied permission to page-mover, which is not bad, but it seems unfair that a user like Starzoner does have it, misuses the permission and the worst thing is that nobody says anything to him. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 18:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, Bruno Rene Vargas,
 * It looks like his action was prompted by this message on his talk page rather than your edit. He got a bot notice saying that his draft was going to be deleted so he expanded it. But I'll post a note on his talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 19:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:MC30 Yanos (disambiguation)
I don't think that MC30 Yanos (disambiguation) was an edit error as such. I have no idea what the originator was or is trying to do. It definitely didn't belong in article space, and neither did its sibling, so I moved them both to draft space as being quicker than CSD tagging them. I wasn't sure what to tag either of them as. I don't really care what argument was found to delete them. G6 was fine, because G6 is basically stuff that needs deleting for no other obvious reason. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:14, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Traci Callahan
Hi Liz, I thought any edit by a human would prevent a draft from G13 but perhaps I misunderstood. I added a source to this one (I think) but I see you just deleted it. Sometimes if I am on the fence tagging it as "promising", I may make a dummy edit with an edit summary or add a source if I find one, etc. Am I wrong? Thanks! S0091 (talk) 21:12, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No, S0091, you are not wrong! For days last month, I double-checked dozens and dozens drafts tagged as CSD G13s and found that our regular crew of stale draft taggers were not making any mistakes. So, I stopped checking them all.
 * This draft shouldn't have been tagged for deletion. Some of our stale draft taggers like yourself work with Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions and some work off the SDZeroBot list. The advantage of the SDZeroBot list is that it is more comprehensive than the AFC G13 category, the disadvantage is that the current day's list is from a week ago and so you have to check each and every draft to make sure that there have been no edits in the past week. I assume the page tagger didn't check the edit history for this page and took it from the list. This doesn't happen often but it can happen so I'm glad you brought it to my attention. I'm happy to restore it. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:22, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I understand Liz believe me. As you know, I had tagged some a bit early and now am trying to be super mindful of the time stamps but I am sure I will make that mistake again at some point.  I tend to get lost a bit going back and forth trying to determine if something is promising.  I also may work ahead in the list as the research can take some time and I have had drafts be deleted while I am doing research.  Poof!  Anyway, I do know you are careful which is why I questioned myself about the "rules". Thanks again. S0091 (talk) 21:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, S0091, I appreciate you taking the time to evaluate them and tag the promising ones. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:41, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I will never be a content writer because I loathe writing lol, but noted other editor's concerns about G13 so thought I could do "something". I am not sure if anyone here actually does anything with the drafts in the promising draft category though, so it could all be futile.  Time will tell, I suppose. S0091 (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Boris Berenfeld has been restored, weirdly
Instead of going for a refund request the text of the draft has been copied and pasted from https://en.everybodywiki.com/Boris_Berenfeld where an inspection of its history there appears to show that it has been scraped from us, and badly, complete with a pseudo-history as if on WP.

Since this is a pond where you have significantly greater experience than I do, do you favour:


 * 1) Ignoring it and treating it as a new draft?
 * 2) Refunding the G13 version and overwriting the "new" version?
 * 3) Refunding the G13 version and performing a history merge?
 * 4) some other action

spotted the new location, and doubtless the editor who pasted it here, a new editor, will be interested in the outcome since they copied and pasted it here, albeit not in an acceptable form. This was a G13 actioned by you, hence my message. Fiddle  Faddle  08:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, Timtrent
 * I'm not sure of the "right" answer here but what I decided to do was restore the previous 51 edits of this page which I think is the same result as a history merge since the previous edits were all from early 2020. I couldn't replace the new version with the old under the page title since the system treats the old edits as deleted edits for the same page. So the entire edit history of both versions is there but you only see the current version. It's possible now to revert to an earlier version of the page, I'm not sure whether that is what you or Hzyaz would prefer to do. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no preference for action, so I will leave the status quo as it is. Thank you for scratching your head over this one Fiddle   Faddle  20:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Please consider restoring the page "Netbackup". Thank you.
Hi. I was involved in some edits on the "Netbackup" page some time ago and see that you've deleted the whole page. You've given "G8: Redirect to a deleted or nonexistent page" as the reason but I'm sure the page was there and the cached one on Google shows a complete page with lots of links. I think someone incorrectly tagged it as being "promotional material" but that is not correct at all. I didn't see them do that, otherwise I would have contested it. Please could you consider restoring the page "Netbackup"? Thanks. Gareth.randall (talk) 19:08, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, Gareth
 * Newbackup was simply a broken redirect to NetBackup, an article that was deleted by admin Iridescent for CSD G11 "unambiguous advertising or promotion" reasons. It was tagged by editor Mottezen. I don't restore pages that have been deleted by another admin in a judgment call so you'd have to ask Iridescent about this. Perhaps it is possible that there is an earlier version of the article that isn't as promotional but for a 15 year old article with 272 edits, it would be hard to go into the deleted edit history and find it. Or perhaps Iridescent would restore it to your user space, you'd have to ask. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at the history of NetBackup, although there are 272 revisions very few are significant changes. Reviewing the changes, it's been pure spam (essentially just an expanded list of product features) since its original expansion back in 2005; prior to that it was an unsourced substub that read in full Veritas Netbackup (currently versions 6.x) is an enterprise level backup and recovery suite. It provides backup functionality to Windows, Linux, and Unix environments. NetBackup has the capability of communicating with various robotic libraries and tapes drives. It's probably a legitimate topic, but I can't see anything really salvageable in any version of this article—if you genuinely think you can make it neutral I'm willing to restore it but to be honest you're probably better off rewriting from scratch, as the standards of Wikipedia 15 years ago are very different from the standards of Wikipedia now. &#8209; Iridescent 22:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at the history of NetBackup, although there are 272 revisions very few are significant changes. Reviewing the changes, it's been pure spam (essentially just an expanded list of product features) since its original expansion back in 2005; prior to that it was an unsourced substub that read in full Veritas Netbackup (currently versions 6.x) is an enterprise level backup and recovery suite. It provides backup functionality to Windows, Linux, and Unix environments. NetBackup has the capability of communicating with various robotic libraries and tapes drives. It's probably a legitimate topic, but I can't see anything really salvageable in any version of this article—if you genuinely think you can make it neutral I'm willing to restore it but to be honest you're probably better off rewriting from scratch, as the standards of Wikipedia 15 years ago are very different from the standards of Wikipedia now. &#8209; Iridescent 22:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Revdel Request
Hi Liz, WP:REVDELREQUEST for, IP added unsourced BLPCRIME stuff. Thank yoouuu.... CommanderWaterford (talk) 20:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for catching that. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Deletion restore
Is it okay to restore the page Draft:Christopher Saul, which you deleted back at Christmas. I feel it can be worked on further.2A00:23C6:D884:6401:7D9A:6C56:5A21:4CA9 (talk) 11:30, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Hi Liz, I'm not sure I follow your reasoning for declining the CSD on the (now deleted) Deri Lorus draft. The page has repeatedly been recreated by sockpuppets, surely it qualifies for G5? -KH-1 (talk) 00:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, KH-1,
 * My reasoning is this: User:Prodflat created this page yesterday morning and yesterday night you tagged it as the work of a sockpuppet. But Prodflat was not blocked as a sockpuppet until about half an hour ago today. I declined the speedy 5-6 hours ago because Prodflat was not confirmed as a sockpuppet at the time I looked at the article.
 * A different admin might have accepted your suspicion that the editor was a sockpuppet but I need confirmation from a checkuser or SPI clerk before I delete an article based on a claim of CSD G5. If you look at my admin log you'll see that I deleted 24 pages today based on CSD G5 claims, so I'm not adverse to that speedy deletion criteria. It turns out that your suspicions were correct but in my admin capacity, I won't delete a page based on CSD G5 without confirmation and I hope you won't tag pages stating that a blocked editor has created a page until the page creator is confirmed to be a sockpuppet. I hope this helps explain my decision to untag that article. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Granni has been accepted
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Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

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If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the  [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_talk/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Granni help desk] . Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

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Thanks again, and happy editing! Robert McClenon (talk) 03:57, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedian WikiOgres
Hi Liz, I really appreciate your contribution here, but I do not agree with the deletion of Wikipedian WikiOgres relying on an unclear and disputed 13 years old discussion. We currently have 56 WikiBears, 93 WikiCats, 4 WikiDragons, 425 WikiFairies, thousands of WikiGnomes, 86 WikiGryphons, 30 WikiHobbits, 52 WikiJanitors, 24 Hyphen Luddites, 10 WikiTigers and 4 WikiSquirrels. There are more than 300 WikiOgres here, why can't them be treated equally? Thanks, Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 14:57, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, Est. 2021,
 * I was upholding the previous deletion decision at Categories for discussion/User/Archive/January 2008. Even if I were to restore this category for you, it wouldn't prevent the category from being tagged again and deleted by a different administrator (which I think would happen fairly quickly). My advice is to bring your request to WT:CFD and see what the editors and admins who frequent category deletion discussions would advise. This situation must have happened before.
 * The problem is that if this was an article deleted through an WP:AFD, it would be possible to draft a new version and pass it through WP:AFC to overcome a previous deletion decision but there is no existing process like this for categories. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:16, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

User talk:TheSpoonMan2000
Hi Liz, hope everything is well - What about removing talkpage access for this user ? CommanderWaterford (talk) 23:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Just wanted to get to know you
Hello @Liz! I'm new here and I wanted to get to know you. Is there anyone else you feel I should get to know? :) Aditi (she/her/hers) (talk) 14:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Aditi,
 * Welcome to Wikipedia! My advice is to make use of the Teahouse with any questions you have. My own introduction to Wikipedia was rocky and I know that I only continued to edit because folks at the Teahouse were very patient with all of my questions.
 * Also, review this information about Alternate accounts. You should stick to editing with one account unless you have a good reason for making use of a second account.
 * If you are having trouble finding a place to start, check out the hundreds of WikiProjects...they are projects that focus on a shared topic of interest. :Happy editing! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:22, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

The Midnight Club
Hi Liz, I would like you to help me by deleting The Midnight Club so that I can move my draft there since, as indicated there, the filming of the series has already begun. I ask you here because two days ago the mark for deletion but no one has attended my request. Greetings. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 21:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Bruno Rene Vargas,
 * I moved the page. I saw this request earlier and I don't remember why I hesitated to do it before. Let me know if you need the previous edits restored. The ones I'd restore involve the page when it was a redirect but I wouldn't restore the ones that concern the page when it was about a band. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No need, it's fine as it is. Thank you very much for responding to my request. Bruno Rene Vargas (talk) 22:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Yoninah
Liz, I see you archiving from Yoninah's talk. When I die, please don't do that to my talk, leave it as it is (and no candle top, please.) The edit summary says the archived things go to Archive 1, but I don't find them there, nor in the last one. Where do they go? I believe that Yoninah's talk speaks the best volumes about what she did and stood for. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Gerda, it is very unusual for me to touch another editor's user talk page like this but for all deceased Wikipedians' talk pages I've seen, the talk pages are either blank or just have statements left in memory of them and their work. I wanted to do this gradually though in case anyone objected. I won't touch your talk pages in any circumstances unless to leave messages or respond to ones. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 17:29, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining. Last thing first: do feel free to add to my talk then, just don't take away, please. - To me, the person who died speaks more in contributions than in our little summaries. I do clean-up many talk pages of users who retired, removing bot-messages and arbcom clutter. That stuff doesn't add much to understand a user, and on my talk I archive it quickly. When the great SBHB died, everything was archived, but I returned two threads I found indispensable, look and enjoy. (For more enjoyment: look at those archives.) Last question: where did the recently archived things go? I didn't find them in Archive 1. Perhaps I was blind, - also a higher number would make more sense for chronology. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The threads were moved to User talk:Yoninah/Archive 28 (some by me, some by another editor) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 21:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I see that you moved manually? Thank you. Sorry, I found it confusing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for cleaning up after my attempts to clear the talk page, Pppery. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:24, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Prod
Hi Liz. Thanks for this note on their talkpage. For info, this has been raised with them multiple times before, which resulted in this ANI post where they agreed to use edit summaries when it comes to prods. Thanks again.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:38, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Hitchin-Stevenage Fibre Optic trial
In the third paragraph it says that Kao got a Nobel prize for the work that this was the proof of concept of. Elinruby (talk) 13:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, this category should be on Kao's own Wikipedia page and not on the page for the work that they won the prize for. Plus, it was a red link category, it wasn't even a valid category. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 17:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Category changes
Hi Liz. You may find User:Nardog/CatChangesViewer useful in your category work. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:20, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm always open to new tools, thanks, JJMC89. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:23, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Singapore model CSD
Hi Liz, regarding your edit summary on Singapore model, the creator is a VPN IP of the same user that appeared with a named account the next day. Does this affect the CSD assessment? Thanks, CMD (talk) 07:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Education
Hi, you sent me a message in my discussion to ask you a question. I want to learn how to tag articles and what articles are eligible for deletion. I would love to learn these.--Sepah iranian (talk) 04:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

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indef?
this is obviously a troll sock, so please reconsider your block. VAXIDICAE💉 20:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * They are in fact a sock. VAXIDICAE💉  20:34, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec):Yes, I was looking at an isolated edit, not all of their contributions. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

DEPROD of State Line Mob
Hi Liz, just wanted to let you know that the Article you PRODed had been DEPRODED via (I think DEPRODer should inform and if they don't I do it if I notice it...) Cheers, CommanderWaterford (talk) 23:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * This was not unexpected, CommanderWaterford. I hope that it will lead to article improvement. For an article that identifies individual people by name as criminals, without any sources, it's violating BLP. Thanks for letting me know. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:15, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , will check into detail tomorrow, for today I had enough :) CommanderWaterford (talk) 23:21, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Restoring an article I let sit around too long
Dear Liz

Hi I have not been on Wikipedia much in the last year and I seem to need some help. Your name was on one of the communiques to me, perhaps the last communique, and so I am asking you for help. If someone else would be better to ask, please let me know. Thanks.

Basically the article in question was called Draft: Jerrold Mundis. I am ready to finish it now and came back to find that I let it sit around too long. So it got deleted, just a few days ago it would appear. Understood. But I am not clear on how to get it back or what to do after that.

A button said "Restore the article" or something like that and I thought I did it right but I am not sure where things are at now so I was wondering if you could help me.

Basically I understand what needs to be done, I have the proper information now to finish the article and I would like to do so ASAP. I also need help in getting it from a Draft to an accepted article and part of Wikipedia after I make changes and deletions. Can you help? Thanks so much.

Isabel Ochone (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)Isabel OchoneIsabel Ochone (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Isabel Ochone,
 * Drafts that have been deleted due to inactivity can be restored upon request either at WP:REFUND or by asking an administrator. I'm happy to restore Draft:Jerrold Mundis for you to work on.
 * When you feel it is ready, just put at the top of the page to submit it for review. If you have questions about the Articles for Creation review, just ask at WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk and someone from the AFC review team can help you. If you have general questions about editing on Wikipedia, the Teahouse is a great place to get answers. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:20, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you SO much!! Sorry to be such a novice!! I will have a go. When you say put at the top of the page to submit it for review do you mean the very top of the page and just leave it and someone else will do the rest and get back to me? I will try that. Thanks for your clarity.

Isabel Ochone (talk) 00:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)Isabel OchoneIsabel Ochone (talk) 00:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Isabel Ochone, yes, after you place that code at the top and save the page, you'll see that a box appears stating that it is in the process of being reviewed. It's a little unpredictable, sometimes drafts get reviewed right away and other times it can take a couple of weeks. We are all volunteers and the reviewers work on their own schedules. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:45, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Liz, thank you SO much. You really helped me out and I am very grateful. I put the draft up as you suggested. If there is anything you can do to expedite it, That would be great. If not, I understand. Best to you! Isabel Ochone (talk) 19:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

CS1
re https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Taxa_named_by_Jean-Henri_Humbert&type=revision&diff=1013717952&oldid=1013613360&diffmode=source

please note as I have it on my watch - it is not a CS1 - so have reverted, in good faith. Thanks. JarrahTree 02:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, JarrahTree,
 * It is not uncommon for categories to be temporarily empty for a variety of reasons. That's why they sit for 7 days in Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion before being deleted. Any time you see a category tagged CSD C1 that is no longer empty, just remove the tag. I check a couple of times a day but obviously don't catch everything. But thanks for letting me know. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:22, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Any time - you have a very thankless task... JarrahTree 02:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Help
Hello Liz Glad to find you. You have recently edited my article Government Degree College No.02 Mardan. I am Thankful that you have improved my article. Wanna ask for more help. If I want to protect my article can I do? If can so guide me please Sultan Abdul sultan (talk) 12:23, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Talk etiquette error
Hello Liz I left notes on a Talk page for a non-existent Wikipedia page, Talk:USS_Arcata_(1903). I apologize, I didn't realize that violates Wikipedia rules. I arrived at the non-existent page through a disambiguation link for USS_Arcata. Is it possible for you to post the content of that page in my Talk, or email it to me? I took notes directly in that page and don't have the article dates etc. Roket (talk) 13:55, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Blocked IP abusing talk page
Hello, sorry to bother you. IP, who is currently blocked, is repeatedly abusing their talk page ,. Can you perhaps take a look? -- Ashley yoursmile!  16:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. :) -- Ashley yoursmile!  16:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Margaret G. Hays
Hi. I'm actually trying to turn the Margaret G. Hays article into its own article instead of having it redirect to her sister's page. I had to stop my edits due to internet issues, but when I went back to work on it, it had be redirected. What do I need to do to get it to not be reverted again? Thanks. Sometimes the end is only the beginning... (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Carlo U. Quinterio moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Carlo U. Quinterio, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:22, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Syndromes
My only involvement with that page was moving it to a properly-capitalized name. Not involved, sorry DS (talk) 01:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

AFD close
Hi. Could you close this one please? Thanks. I enjoyed the COVID talk page guidelines. I put on a mask and gloves as soon as I saw them. --- Possibly (talk) 01:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * LOL! I forgot I had posted that. Borrowed from someone else's user talk page. I'll close that AFD. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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Urgent indef block
It appears they didn’t get the message the first time now they are back with more vandalism and attack pages. Celestina007 (talk) 23:23, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Celestina007,
 * Right now, I'm looking over their page creations and will block if I think it's necessary. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:25, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It requires courage to make the right judgement call and kudos to you for doing the needful. The attack page they created was what drew my attention to them before I discovered you had previously blocked them for vandalism. Celestina007 (talk) 23:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I came across the page tagged for vandalism and when I looked into it, I found that I had already blocked them once for the same type of thing. Only this time, it was worse because they published bad articles instead of bad drafts. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:51, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

How can i add templates
How can i add templates
 * You can find lots of help at the Teahouse. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:35, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia Unassessed-Class vital articles in Biology
Hi Liz

Please undelete Category:Wikipedia Unassessed-Class vital articles in Biology ... and to avoid further deletion, please tag it as a Possibly empty category.

Thanks. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:17, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:20, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Request Patrice Robitaille at Articles for deletion
Hi Liz, yesterday I put the proposed for deletion at the article Patrice Robitaille and 24 hours later it was removed. I never got my rationale rejected because it was already removed. Look at the Patrice Robitaille article it has no citation sources in the article. First could you review the article Patrice Robitaille if it doesn't have citation sources in the article, could you request the article Patrice Robitaille at the Articles for deletion to be nominated for deletion, it was already de-prod an it still has no citation sources. I hope you will accept my request. Thanks. 2001:569:74D2:A800:6474:18A5:C80:2AD4 (talk) 02:15, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, 2001:569:74D2:A800:6474:18A5:C80:2AD4,
 * I can see that you PROD'd Patrice Robitaille, is there a reason you won't nominate it for an AFD yourself? I think you are a better advocate for your point of view than I would be. I don't make a lot of nominations at AFD myself. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:24, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * To be fair, it actually isn't possible for anonymous IPs to nominate pages for AFD themselves, because they don't have the ability to create new pages — so they can add the template to an article, but then can't actually create the AFD page to list it anywhere for an actual discussion, so all they can really do is either PROD or solicit named editors to do their desired dirty work for them. That said, Patrice Robitaille has both a stronger notability claim and better sources for it than the article was using, so I've made some improvements to the article — it could still use more, certainly, but even his French article isn't in a very good state at the moment either, and at the very least I've done enough that the IP's concerns should now be moot. Bearcat (talk) 03:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, my unfamiliarity with AFD becomes visible. I've only made a few nominations that I thought were a slam dunk. Thank you for your help, Bearcat. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

TY
Hey Liz, how ya doin'? Just wanted to say thank you for the G8(?). Guess I missed one. ... well, not "guess" really, more like "obviously". :-). Hope you and yours are doing well.  Cheers. — Ched (talk) 16:36, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * — Ched! I'm okay, better now that it's springtime. I'm back to editing more, like my beginning years. I seem to have more free time the past few months, I wonder why. ;-) Glad to still see some familiar names here. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 16:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Re: Perma-Zyme Request for Recovery
Thank you for working with the Perma-Zyme page in Wikipedia. We have been working to make edits to the page to make it better and wanted to submit the new version but see that it has been deleted. Is there any way that you can recover it so we can submit the new version? Thank you in advance for your help!
 * First, who is "we"? Accounts must represent individual editors, not groups or companies. Also, if you are a paid editor or if you are editing Wikipedia as part of your job, you must disclose your conflict-of-interest (please see Paid-contribution disclosure). This is not optional, this is mandatory. Additionally, can you provide a link to the deleted article?
 * Finally, please sign your talk page messages with four tildes ( ~ ) so that your comment is signed with your username and the time & date it was posted. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:18, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

RevDel Request
Thank you for deleting the attack page that used a homophobic slur against someone. Can you please revision delete the following revisions as it is grossly offensive (dehumanisation): to. Note, for the first revision please delete the edit summary as well. Thanks. Train of Knowledge (Talk) 04:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, I forgot to mention to delete the person's username from the edits as well (for both edits obviously) as it is borderline attacking someone. Train of Knowledge (Talk) 05:02, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it is taken care of, Train of Knowledge. Let me know if there is something I missed. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 05:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Funny
In a weird way though it looks cool! I'm going to try it out myself! Toad62 15:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I borrowed it from another editor so I can't take credit for it. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Well still, that's hilarious! Toad62 23:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

No evidence provided
Regarding.... there is no evidence provided for a consensus regarding the "ban" claim. ,. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There may not be a consensus but here is a precedence for deleting COVID-19 joke pages. Are you actually asking for it to be restored for four more hours before it will be deleted again? Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:07, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter the topic.... what bothers me is a lack of consensus and communication. If it's not allowed then it should be clearly stated rather than go through this every year. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Anyways I am going to add it to WP:FOOLR then with links to the CSDs. No use repeating the same thing and expecting different results... - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:13, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be surprised if it's not written down. It's a matter of taste, just like we wouldn't have joke pages about Nazis, war, prison, the Japanese tsunami, hate crimes, AIDS or racial violence. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

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Bixton
Hi Liz, I was wondering if I could see what the Bixton page looked like before speedy deletion? When I have looked, it seems to be a valid surname page/dab, an index of articles MOS:DABMENTIONing people with this surname. All the best, Boleyn (talk) 09:03, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅, Boleyn. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 15:14, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Boleyn (talk) 21:49, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Category:Templates for merging
Hi! Am I missing something, but why did you tag Category:Templates for merging for speedy deletion? Has the specific TfM use case been deprecated or something? Also pinging who tagged it similarly earlier. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:20, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Hellknowz,
 * With a few exceptions, empty categories are tagged for deletion, although they sit for 7 days before deletion in case they were emptied out-of-process or a mistake has happened. It is not uncommon for a category to be temporarily empty and then the tag is removed. If you believe that this category should be retained, even if it is empty, you can tag it and that will mean that it doesn't show up on our daily lists of empty categories. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

er, hahah
seems fine, not sure where all the indonesian tallest buildings went - maybe the skyscraper enthusiasm moved it all sidways - please feel free to remove whatever, and thanks.. JarrahTree 13:36, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, JarrahTree, I will have to go back into my contributions & logs to see what page you are talking about. But glad I have your blessing! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 17:26, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

UNDELETING Nuhu Muzaata Batte
Hello Comrade Liz, i am kindly requesting that you undelete Nuhu Muzaata Batte, it had been recommended and tagged for deleting citing copyright infringement which i had immediately corrected and cleaned. I therefore Kindly request that you undelete.Thank you very much. Ibitukirire (talk) 21:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Ibitukirire,
 * Since there were questions about the content, I have restored this page, moved it into Draft space and submitted it to Articles for Creation for review. You can still work on the page and can find it at Draft:Nuhu Muzaata Batte. Please do not move it to the main space of the project without being reviewed or it is likely to be deleted again. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much @ Liz, but I will not make any edits on that draft, I know other people will do so and modify it further. This is because I have realised my edits are being mistaken by some editors non disclosed paid edits when I reality I do not have any penny received nor in any way connected to the subjects. I have already been warned by NJD-DE that I will be blocked from further editing given the nature of my edits, hence the my decision to first hold on, observe and learn before any serious edits. Thank you very much Ibitukirire (talk) 22:18, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


 * @Ibitukirire, not doing anything with this draft might not be the best idea though either. When loading the draft into earwig's copyvio detector I still see a lot of sentences that are very close to the original sites. To my taste too many and too close. – NJD-DE (talk) 22:43, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If that is the case, Then I will work on it later I need to take some rest, As it is 1:55AM here, thank you. Ibitukirire (talk)`

Revdel Request
Hi Liz, Revdel Request per WP:BLPCRIME for, individual named w/o conviction. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:06, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 18:10, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

New message from XRENEGADEx
xRENEGADEx ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 23:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

GSMArena
Hi! You have deleted the GSMArena article, which was marked for speedy deletion. There were multiple, independent reliable secondary sources added to the article. Two users asked not to delete it on the talk page. Can you undo the removal? Thanks. 08:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Editor,
 * I'm willing to restore it if I can move it to your user space or Draft space and you submit it to WP:AFC for review when you believe it is ready. If you move it back into main space, I can guarantee that it will be deleted again and it is likely that the title will be protected so that there will never be an article with that title. Secondly, always sign your talk page comments with four tildes ( ~ ) so I can see who I'm talking to. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I can submit it to AFC, but I'm not understanding why it was deleted in the first place. WP:A7 is "a lower standard than notability." according to the guideline. Although the article was just a stub, I think it passes WP:GNG because it had multiple sources that were reliable, secondary, independent. Sorry for forgetting my signature. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Draftify Online Khabar
Hi Liz, I was thinking to work on Online Khabar after seeing it had a chance of deletion. I found few reliable sources so I thought I will improve it. But today, when I came back, I noticed that the article is already deleted. That's fine. But I request you to draftify it so that I can work on it. I know I can start afresh but that will be a disrespect to the previous authors work. Could you draftify it? Thanks, nirmal (talk) 10:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, nirmal,
 * I have restored the article and moved it to Draft:Online Khabar. Please know that the editor who tagged your page for deletion wanted the title to be "salted" which means that the title would be protected so that there will never be an article with this name. What this means is that if you move it directly back into the main space of the project, it will be deleted and there will never be an article called Online Khabar. What you can do is make this article as noncommercial as possible and submit it for review at Articles for Creation. This is seriously your only option at this point if you want there to be an article on this subject on Wikipedia.
 * If you need help and advice, I recommend visiting the Teahouse or WT:AFC. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:33, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. BTW, its not "my" page. It was started by some other guy. Regards! nirmal (talk) 05:58, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

KSI Albums.
Just to give you a little history here. The article KSI (entertainer) was renamed mid-March to KSI. Timiwiki... then created new cats and started moving all the articles. I jumped in and listed for speedy under C2D (where somebody has objected, but in the wrong place!). I also notified Timwiki... 3 times about various things. I don't care how this is sorted, but perhaps you might have an idea. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * PS. Speedy declined. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Richhoncho,
 * It looks like KSI (entertainer) is now a redirect. I know nothing much about YouTube but even I have heard of KSI although I didn't know he had albums. But we don't typically have categories on individuals. And Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:36, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Candyce Kelshall draft page
Hello Liz, please help me to recover my deleted material so I can improv it and resubmit it. It is not spam or promotional, it is part of the Women in red project with King's College London, to visibilize women scholars. If it sound too promotional might be because it is my first time. I will rework it so to comply with the rules. Please help me to recover my material. Thanks
 * Hello, Editor,
 * First, give me a link to the deleted page so I can see why it was deleted. Secondly, sign all of your talk page comments with four tildes ( ~ ) so I can see what your name is. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Liz, this is all I can see now https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-_Candyce_Kelshall&action=edit&redlink=1 please help me to recover my deleted material so I can improv it and resubmit it. It is not spam or promotional, it is part of the Women in red project with King's College London, to visibilize women scholars. If it sound too promotional might be because it is my first time. I will rework it so to comply with the rules. Please help me to recover my material. Thanks JMH2021 (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)JMH2021JMH2021 (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, JMH2021,
 * I've restored it to User:JMH2021/Sandbox. I wouldn't have chosen to delete it but it's a judgment call. It's waiting to be reviewed by an WP:AFC reviewer but you can still work on it. I'm not an expert on content creation but I think you really have to cut it down. Be selective in what you include, you shouldn't mention everything she has done and every publication. It's so lengthy that I can see why it was seen as promotional as it reads like a resume or CV (what we refer to as a LinkedIn biography which is not a compliment). If you have questions, you can visit WT:AFC or the Teahouse. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:39, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Liz, Thank you very nmuch for recovering adn the feedback, appreciated. JMH2021 (talk) 07:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)JMH2021

Undeletion
Hi, if you look at the logs for This Is a Robbery: The World's Greatest Art Heist you deleted it just after I restored the original article to its location fulfilling a WP:RM/TR request. This article was sourced and moved to draft without an explanation when it would probably need AfD to determine notability. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging who made the move request. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, I don't understand why the page was tagged for deletion then and the talk page wasn't moved to Draft space with the article. I'LL restore the deleted edits and you can move the talk page back. This wasn't made very clear. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up! (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Editing Henry Clifford De Meillon (1800-1859)
Hello Liz You notified me that my edits were deleted as they were inactive over 6 months. Reason is I was waiting for replies to this one and to another. I am sorry but I find communications tedious and cannot easily reply as by email. I was unable to reverse the edit. If you have time to review what I had written in reply to others it would be appreciated. Basically, there are two issues.

1. I am the most knowledgeable person about HC De Meillon's life as I have recently had a book published on him and his ancestors: De Meillon’s Legacy – Art, Science and War by L.J. Cabri & R.W. James. Footprint Press, Hermanus, South Africa [www.footprintpress.co.za] 2020. 227 pp. Price R650.00 (hard cover). ISBN 978-1-990980-86-2

Why can't I edit the many mistakes? 2. Someone had created an entry for me that is also riddled with errors. Why can't I correct them.

Thanks Louis J. Cabri lcabri@sympatico.ca


 * Hello, Louis,
 * First it would be great if you gave me a direct link to the page of the deleted article or your username. Second, if it was deleted as a CSD G13, that is a stale draft, you don't need to explain to me what you plan to do with it, it was only deleted because there had been no editing activity on it for six months. We want to see that editors are working to improve drafts and after six months, we assume they have been abandoned. It frequently happens that new editors start articles and then never return to work on them. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

you've got mail
Hi Liz, I woudl apprecaite your advice. Is this page a good example of a non-promotional Bio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Southern ?? thanks :) JMH2021 (talk) 20:52, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Weather Categories
Besides the Category set I am currently working on, are there are other red-linked ones? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 03:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Noah,
 * I generally look at Special:WantedCategories to see red link categories that need to be dealt with. A new list is generated every three days. The next one will be appearing tomorrow, April 10th. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Well, -noah-, you are certainly on a roll! Thank you so much for posting a talk page notice for the page creators. You might be surprised to know that some of our long-term editors started out as youthful vandals...there is always a possibility they will get the message and turn into contributors. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:10, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Mar dun ga
It feels like they are harassing UPE's. Fittingly as they're user name translates roughly as "you are dead". I think I will block based on the user name. I AGF'd a warning, they've not responded. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 02:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Deepfriedokra,
 * I think a block would be appropriate. Personally, I'm reluctant to block unless there is ongoing disruption but I think there are a lot of red flags with this editor and peculiar behavior for a new editor. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:07, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Skimmermotion
Hi. The article Skimmermotion refers to a 2013 invention that has been sold since that year. It's not advertising. Its a real invention. The invention changed the way the pools were cleaned. On Wikipedia there is an article dedicated to pool cleaning. This article is written historically and technically and does not seek to be advertising. The team of inventors is venezuelans who are now Americans. See Automated pool cleaner in wikipedia I respectfully ask you to reconsider the measure of deleting the article.
 * First, there needs to be substantial coverage of this invention by mainstream newspapers, magazines, books, media websites, etc. Second, please sign all talk page comments with four tildes ( ~ ) so I can see who is leaving this message. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz!
Hello how are you Liz ? can you review this article [] if it is ok can you move it to Article space thanks a lot --Istanbul1453Istanbul (talk) 08:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Istanbul1453Istanbul,
 * I don't review drafts, you should submit it to Articles for Creation to editors who review new articles. They will offer helpful advice and let you know if it is ready for main space. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:05, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

restoring page
Hi Liz, You offered to restore my page PrOphecy Sun to my sandbox. As no one bothered to read my contestation of the speedy deletion and the fact that 4 more references were included. I may as well put it thought the review process. BF (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll restore it. I thought it was hastily deleted when it was in the process of being reviewed. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:05, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * BF, it is now at User:Thebaconfairy/Sandbox. Please let me know if another editor attempts to move or deletes your draft before it can be reviewed by WP:AFC reviewers and I'll provide my explanation. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal
Hi Liz, I am disagreeing the Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal for speedy deletion for CSD C1. I have already restored the category I have created the category since 2011. I am against a similar category Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal and Laval because it has no province name for the article Laval, Quebec. I have now put Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal and Laval for CSD C1. For my request could delete Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal and Laval for speedy deletion under CSD C! and I want to keep the category Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal. Rememeber delete Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal and Laval and Category:Federal electoral districts of Montreal will be kept. OK? Thanks. Steam5 (talk) 03:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Steam5,
 * Why on Earth are you BOLDING words here?
 * Except for a few, limited exceptions, empty categories are tagged for deletion. If, after 7 days, they are still empty, they are deleted. If they are not empty, the tag is removed. If an empty category is deleted and it is later needed, it can be restored, no problem. Those are the rules. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

"Lexi Rabe" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Lexi Rabe. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 9 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. IronManCap (talk) 17:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Problem user
Hi Liz. I think we have a problem user, namely. You have deleted some of their contributions already. They have also created a userpage for the nonexistent account "NdeofmBot", making it seem like a bot. On their own userpage, they also imply that it's a bot account. They also include misleading userboxes to make it appear like they are an administrator and have an edit count much higher than it really is. I can tell that the userpage is actually a mashed up copy of my userpage.

I believe they are a native speaker of Indonesian, as they have been active on Indonesian Wikipedia and seem to indicate being from Indonesia on their userpage. So there is probably a language barrier, if not also some WP:CIR issues. Can you recommend an appropriate response so that they aren't posing as an admin or bot owner? Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Drm310,
 * I just looked into this and it looks like their Bot pages were quickly deleted, thanks for tagging them. Although they created their account in 2012, they have only been active for about a week or so, so I'll leave them a note and remove any inappropriate userboxes. At this point, I see red flags but nothing blockworthy so I'll just keep tabs on them. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid to say that they have once again added an admin userbox to their userpage. They've also received a bunch of new warnings about creating garbage pages. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I added another warning. I'm giving him/her one more chance. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Question about CSD tagging for CSK#4
Hi! Thanks for the edit and explanation about the db-banned tag on speedy keep AfDs. In general, where should the CSD tag be placed on the page when an AfD satisfies WP:CSK#4: (Should it be placed under the section header to prevent it from being transcluded to the main AfD page? The instructions in the guideline may need a slight re-wording so the steps for handling these cases is a little clearer. — MarkH21talk 00:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, MarkH21,
 * Yes, unfortunately, CSD tags causes the AFD main page and AFD sorting pages to show up in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as having been created by blocked or banned users which might confuse patrolling admins. If it was me, I'd just alert an admin you are friendly with about the situation rather than tagging the pages which are transcluded. As for me, I think retaining deletion discussions can be useful even if they are initiated by sockpuppets which is why I didn't delete them. But I'm sure it would be difficult to find an admin who agrees with your position. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I would actually also lean towards your position. Should the wording about db-banned-tagging at WP:CSK be revised then? Maybe I should just bring this up at Wikipedia talk:Speedy keep? — MarkH21talk 01:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think it ever hurts to bring up issues like this on policy talk pages. Some of them aren't on many Watchlists and won't receive many responses but others, like WT:CSD, have a lot of very experienced editors and admins who keep tabs on discussions there and can offer their opinions. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Red Link Categories
Thank you for the information, but I'm actually not sure about which ones you're referring to? Are these the categories in the Standings Templates? Or on the Men's Volleyball Conference Tournament pages? If so, you should know I actually plan on creating season team pages for each of the teams that wins their respective conference as well as those that make the NCAA Tournament. They would actually fall in the same categories as some of the red links. I was planning on waiting until the tourneys are done to do those pages because I've previously been told that I shouldn't create a category UNLESS at least two Wiki pages links to it. So are two different policies in play, or is someone misinforming people like myself? I'm more than willing to do what is asked without any problem, but I need to know which one to follow.Bigddan11 (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, Bigddan11,
 * I actually had to go search through my contributions because I've been removing a lot of red link categories today that showed up on Special:WantedCategories.
 * The page that prompted my message to you was Template:Mountain Pacific Sports Federation Volleyball Tournament navbox. I removed the red link categories because they were part of a template and were showing up on article pages as well. The problem with templates and userboxes is that if they have a red link category, it shows up on every page where they are placed. Any way, if you'd like to create the categories, just revert my edit. If you'd like someone else to create the categories for you, you can go to Articles for creation/Redirects and categories.
 * I hope this helps explain my too-short message to you. If there is a next time, I'll try to include more helpful information. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:58, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Guidelines for manual archiving at ANI
Hey, I was just kinda curious about this - what are the guidelines you use for when to manually archive threads at ANI? (asking you since you're the most recent person to do it and seem to have a good idea of what's going on) Thanks! Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 18:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Elli,
 * Sorry I missed your message when you first posted it. I use to do a lot of archiving at ANI when I was a new editor but I don't go there very often since I became an admin. For ANI, I usually wait at least three dates after the cases have been closed. If the page isn't very crowded, I leave them longer. I think there is an official minimum of 24 hours after a case is closed before it is archived but I think that is too short of a period for editors who participated in the discussion to see the conclusion. For AN, I leave the threads much longer, more like 5 days, because it is not as busy as a noticeboard. Just a reminder that should you decide to close a case yourself, please add to your statement, either at the beginning or by your signature. I hope this helps. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 19:51, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Category:Lists of the Paleozoic life of the United States by state
Hello. I intend to create the category above. Noticing the title has been previously deleted by you on grounds of C1 (empty), and per instructions in the header on the creation page, I am contacting you. This is part of an effort to cleanup and reorganize categorization related to prehistoric life in North America. The category in question will be a subcategory of Category:Lists of prehistoric life in the United States and Category:Paleozoic life of North America and will be populated by articles in the form "List of the Paleozoic life of 'U.S. state X'". It will serve similar function as Category:Lists of the Mesozoic life of the United States by state. May I go forward on this? Are there any problems you are aware? --DB1729 (talk) 13:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, DB1729,
 * This category was deleted simply because it was empty. However, since there is no permanent list of category contents, it's difficult to know what pages it held before and why it was emptied.
 * I can restore it as soon as an article is assigned to the category. I'd rather restore it than have it recreated so it retains its edit history. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 15:27, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I have just added an article to it. You may now restore it if that's how you prefer and I will take it from there. Thanks. --DB1729 (talk) 15:33, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

GT name in Talk:John Morrison and the Miz
Hey, the name of the Good Topic changed (to better accord with MoS), so the name used in the article history template on this page does need to change, also; the solution to the redlink category is to create the corrected category, which I've now done. Thanks for noticing the category issue; I didn't even realize that GT/FTs created category membership like that! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 20:23, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Bryan,
 * If there are other pages in the misspelled category, you should request a speedy category rename at Categories for Discussion to keep the edit history of the original, misspelled category and so that other pages are reassigned.
 * I was just going through Special:WantedCategories and a lot of these red link categories are due to an editor changing a template and not realizing that it created a new category so you are right about that. Thanks! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:29, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks for the cleanup work! I do a lot of the same kind of work in categories relating to Good Articles. That's a good point about trying to preserve category history; I'll try that the next time. Thanks! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 20:40, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Hossein Mohammadi Vahidi
I wanted to know why you deleted this article? New resources and a new award have been added to this article, which proves the reputation. What is the reason for this?--Jackpet11 (talk) 08:15, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

I can edit the article. It was not all copying. Please be reasonable. I ask you to retrieve the article and give me another chance because it will disappoint me--Jackpet11 (talk) 08:16, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Admin Athaenara laid out all of the reason for deletion here on their talk page. I stand by their conclusions. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:44, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Please give me another chance to edit and improve the article. I understand that you should not break the copyright law. Please help and turn this page--Jackpet11 (talk) 04:33, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

please answer me. I made an extensive edit of this article. It is available on my sandbox page. Please check if it is good? I am waiting for your answer--Jackpet11 (talk) 04:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Your removal of the CSD Tag
Hi Liz, you removed the CSD A10 Tag at Openings (The Queen's Gambit) - it seems to me that you perhaps did not read the article entirely. 95% of this article are about the already exiting Article so CSD A10 applies. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:49, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like we have both edited this page again and I think you resolved the issue. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:38, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Guillermo Alonso Martínez Espinoza
Hi - You recently blocked User:Guillermo Alonso Martínez Espinoza. I suspect that this is the same editor: User:Guillermo Alonso Martínez Espinoza at Torreon LLC. They are following a similar editing pattern. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 19:15, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Dormskirk,
 * Actually, I never blocked Guillermo Alonso Martínez Espinoza but I do agree that they are the same editor so I've blocked Guillermo Alonso Martínez Espinoza at Torreon LLC as a sockpuppet. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:37, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * My mistake...I now see you declined the unblock. Many thanks for getting involved again. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 21:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem, Dormskirk. This was a pretty clear cut case. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:45, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Thx So Much Liz
Liz i just want to say thank you so much for letting me in on the teahouse group is a honor for me to be in a special place if u wanna chat i here!!!

Sincerly, Phantom Digital
 * Hello, Phantom Digital,
 * Glad to help. If I hadn't discovered the Teahouse when I started editing regularly in 2013, I wouldn't have continued to edit. I was very frustrated with being corrected by other editors and the enforcement of policies I didn't understand and I was basically complaining a lot. The Teahouse regulars at that time were very patient explaining how things were done here on Wikipedia while I tried to speed up the learning curve so I wasn't making so many mistakes. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:16, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Question about deleted sandbox
Hi Liz, I noticed that my sandbox was deleted on April 8th, 2021. I'm a new user and was practicing in my draft space. I was wondering if you could please revert my sandbox. Thanks in advance for any help! Ketchum.e (talk) 16:28, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Ketchum.e,
 * I did delete your sandbox but all that was there was a broken redirect to User talk:The Daily Wire which is where you moved your sandbox. There is nothing to restore on that page. You'll have to talk to CambridgeBayWeather who deleted User talk:The Daily Wire as it was a page mistakenly put into user space and there is no editor with that name so it was deleted as the page of a nonexistent user. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:50, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Replying here for convenience. it was partly deleted because there isn't a user by that name but also because it was tagged as a "Article for Creation" and it was a duplicate of an existing article. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:50, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi allCambridgeBayWeather - It was not a new article but rather proposed changes to the existing article. I'm new to all of this so I'm sorry if it was tagged incorrectly. Can you please revert the deletion and I will make the appropriate changes?


 * I restored it to User:Ketchum.e/sandbox. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Question
Did you scold me for using an inappropriate term? If so, I apologize for not using better terminology, and I'm open to suggestions. Lay some on me, I'm all eyes. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 20:13, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Atsme,
 * It actually wasn't a comment about any individual editor but about the climate that exists right now in the American political area. I think after the past few years, people are divided up into camps. I don't know the articles and talk pages well enough to know who supports what I just see evidence of this polarity on noticeboards and arbitration enforcement complaints. I don't visit the Trump/Biden/Congress/Washington, DC articles as it has seemed there are plenty of editors keeping watch over them. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:45, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, it has become a highly toxic area. Take a look at the attacks on me for simply requesting review of a close. Also look at the discussion on the closer's TP because that's where I went first, and then you'll have a bigger picture of what took place. I don't understand it. It's like you described but worse. All one has to do is oppose or question or simply express their view - and boom - they become a target of aspersions and/or ridicule. It's appalling behavior and to think it happened at AN, of all places, and nothing was said. It's really sad. 😢 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 01:26, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Recreated Robert Turner (Bahá'í)
Hi Liz,

I recreated the Robert Turner article that was recently deleted because of copyright issues. I rewrote everything so that no content was copied / pasted from https://bahaipedia.org/Robert_Turner.

You can find the new article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Turner_(Bahá%27%C3%AD)

Please let me know if there are any additional issues with the article that I can address.

Thanks! Nonameplayer (talk) 00:21, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Nonameplayer,
 * According to our Copyright tool here, there aren't any copyright problems any more. Looks like an interesting article. Congratulations! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:53, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review/Log/2021 April 21 Millimetre of rain
User SCP-053 has challenged your delete per CSD R3 of their redirect &mdash; Charles Stewart (talk) 05:17, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Charles Stewart,
 * Okie doke, thanks for letting me know. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 05:26, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me
Hello, dear Liz, thank you for alerting me about the empty Category:Filipino contemporary pianists page. It was a work in progress that fell through the cracks for just a few days. I have now added entries into this Category. Cheers! Buszmail (talk) 08:45, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Buszmail,
 * That's how you should think of these talk page notices, as reminders. Glad you could progress with the category. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:38, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Revdel request
Hello. Would you carry out a revdel (RD#2 Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material) at the BLP articles, Arjun Tendulkar, Bobby Deol, and Tiger Shroff. Foul language in Hindi added by an IP 59.92.75.60. Thanks in advance. -- Ab207 (talk) 19:14, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Ab207,
 * I think I took care of everything. Let me know if there is anything I missed. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the swift action! -- Ab207 (talk) 04:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Becky Bear Mahoney
Hi, Liz. I saw that you declined my CSD nomination of Draft:Becky Bear Mahoney. Should I just wait out the six months before it gets deleted as stale? Or would you say that my nomination was overly BITEy?Best wishes, Sdrqaz (talk) 02:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Sdrqaz,
 * It's a judgment call. Some admins would have just deleted the page. But I think when it only contains a few words, I'd prefer to just blank it. Deleting a page for a new editor when the page isn't really objectionable or damaging just seems like overkill. There's a good chance that the editor will not return to edit it. I usually see this situation when editors tag user pages that have a small amount of personal information and deleting those pages just seems a bit in-your-face as long as it's not promotional. But that's my opinion. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I see, Liz. I just felt that no good could have come out of it with "the absolute man". Thanks for sharing with me the nuances of these things. Yours, Sdrqaz (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of PR for Poets
Hi Liz, the page PR for Poets was speedy deleted, and I would like to get the source code back so that I can work to improve it in a sandbox. (Someone else was supposed to follow-up on my article creation and do work on this, but it didn't happen before the speedy delete occurred.) Thanks!

Glenn777 (talk) 07:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Glenn777,
 * I have emailed you the content of the page. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 18:50, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Liz! Glenn777 (talk) 16:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

User:2010104aprameyan/sandbox
Hi Lizzy, I want to know why you declined my CSD nomination of User:2010104aprameyan/sandbox signed, Iflaq  (talk) 12:51, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Iflaq,
 * Sometimes, when there is very little content on a user page that has been tagged for deletion, I blank the page instead. This is only when the content doesn't violate BLP or copyright guidelines. This is a judgment call on my part as an admin. I just think in some cases, deletion is overkill, especially if it a new editor and in this case, the editor only had 2 edits.
 * This is only for user pages, if this content was in an article or draft, I would delete it. But I think we need to allow some leeway on a user sandbox. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 18:56, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thankyou @Liz, I respect you view. By the way I called you Lizzy, hope it was ok. Good-bye and Happy editing. signed, Iflaq  (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Muhammad Kaif Raza Khan Qadri
Hello Sir,

Sir please create an article about Muhammed Kaif Raza Khan Qadri. There is many sources available about him.

Thank You. Kaifraza786 (talk) 16:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Help me on this article how to avoid Speedy Deletion. Kaifraza786 (talk) 16:34, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, Kaifraza786,
 * I'm an administrator so much of my time is spent on admin tasks, not writing articles. I recommend you visit Community portal and you can find links to places on Wikipedia where you can get help. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:04, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Preemptively then
Any of the articles you're deleting under G5 that I contested, I now request to be reinstated with my support of the article content and notability of the subject matter. Draftify, if needed, though i'll be moving them back to mainspace more or less right away, as they are notable singers/actors/songs that have tons of reliable source coverage. Silver seren C 02:47, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Silver seren,
 * You are laying a lot of conditions on my evaluating these articles that I do not feel that I'm the best to make...like which songs are "notable" and which aren't. I'll just not delete any articles that you contest. But I can't guarantee that the next patrolling admin won't just delete them so I think it makes the most sense to move the ones you care about. However, I have never heard of CSD G5 exemptions because another editor wants the content of the sockpuppet's articles so you might receive challenges about this. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * G5 REFUND undeletions are fairly common if another editor wants to take ownership of the content, especially in regards to articles made by banned users that wasn't specifically about the content of said articles. If someone was banned for POV or BLP article writing issues, then just rewriting from scratch is best. Otherwise, there shouldn't be a problem. In this case, the editor made a couple of hoax articles and was banned for that. But they made tons of non-hoax articles as well and I can find no indication that the ones I contested were hoaxes, since there's plenty of reliable source coverage on them. And particularly for song articles that have a structured format that really can't be made any other way. So writing from scratch would...just be the same article. Silver  seren C 02:56, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't recommend you remove the CSD tag because the article taggers will probably come to your talk page and ask why it was removed (at least that's what happens to me). I thought you were going to move them to your user space. But since you are taking responsibility, I hand this matter over to you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:05, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I just don't see the point of moving them to userspace if they're notable and ready to go. Or did you mean I should move them to my userspace to then move them back to create some sort of chain of ownership? Silver  seren C 03:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/RIPARCA - please block
Hi Liz, will you please block this user? S0091 (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, S0091,
 * Looks like Ched beat me to it! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:46, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Now requested revoking TPA. I left a note for Ched but may come to you if you are around.  I went to 4 different admins over a period of 30 or so minutes (this was after it sat at AIV for a bit) but kept missing them by like 2 minutes of last activity and this user was not (and still isn't) stopping. S0091 (talk) 20:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * By the time I was looking at the account, the talk page access had been revoked and I reverted their last edit to the page. I remember seeing a page once that showed which admins were actively editing but I don't recall the page name now that I'm trying to remember. Usually, they are pretty fast addressing complaints at WP:AIV. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It's and what I was using but ended up with superb bad timing.  Yes, usually AIV is fine but sometimes reports do sit for a while (hour or more, on occasion hours) but this particular situation really did need more immediate attention.  This is actually the first time I had to go to more one admin, I think. No one was ignoring my request, simply they were not available.  S0091 (talk) 21:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that link, S0091, there is more available on toolforge than I knew about. I just saw a report there yesterday that was able to identify possible CSD G5 pages based on SPI reports. I'll need to bookmark some of these pages. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That particular one is actually in the instructions at ANI. I had lost it as well and found it there.  I really should keep these on a user page somewhere in case something happens and I loose my favs again.  One day....S0091 (talk) 21:51, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

User:Thewhitebox/Walmartsucks.com
Please restore this page, as I do not think it met WP:CSD (if nothing else, the addition of the MfD tag counts as an edit) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 21:06, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Pppery,
 * ✅ . You are absolutely right. Our regular expired draft taggers are very accurate and so I assumed the tagging was appropriate when it was not. I've posted a talk page notice to editor who tagged this draft and I'm glad you brought it to my attention so I could restore the page. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I checked all of the 10 CSD G13s that I recently deleted and found more to restore from a second editor new to tagging. I'll be double-checking ones that are not from our regular CSD taggers. I'm so glad you came to me about this one because it caused me to find other mistakes. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Creation Draft:Muhammad Kaif Raza Khan Qadri
Hello,

I want to say that I want to create an article about Muhammed Kaif Raza Khan Qadri but this article is protected so please help me how do I create it. Kaifraza786 (talk) 11:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Selinus_University_of_Science_and_Literature
Hey Liz, I hope you are fine. I just finished editing the Draft:Selinus_University_of_Science_and_Literature as you recommended. Could you please review it so we can publish the article? Thank you, Erika --BancoBank (talk) 18:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, BancoBank,
 * I am actually busy with administrative tasks and I don't create or review drafts of articles. If you put at the top of the page, it will notify the editors at Articles for Creation that your draft is ready for review. They spend their time here evaluating drafts and are the best judges of readiness for drafts to move into the main space of the project. You also can go to their talk page to ask questions. I also recommend the Teahouse for general questions about how things work on Wikipedia. Good luck with your draft! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:32, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

This editor...
I'm not sure what's up with their contributions but practically every edit has been reverted... (I noticed you nominated one of their categories for deletion.) Shearonink (talk) 19:52, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Shearonink,
 * I'll keep an eye on them. Thanks for the head's up. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

You've Got Mail
Dear Liz,

Please create an article about Muhammad Kaif Raza Khan Qadri. I have many sources and references about him will you please do this.

Thank you Kaifraza786 (talk) 20:18, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

You've Got Mail
Hey Liz, I hope you are fine,

Drafts:Muhammad_Kaif_Raza_Khan_QadriCould you please review it and please publish this article? Thank you, Kaifraza0786 -- Kaifraza786 (talk) 20:21, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Kaifraza786,
 * You can keep asking but as I have told you (see above), I am busy with administrative tasks and I don't create or review drafts. The good folks at Articles for Creation do reviews and they are a great place to ask questions about your draft Draft:Muhammad Kaif Raza Khan Qadri. Right now, it has been proposed for deletion at MfD where you should probably go and present an argument for why it should be kept. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

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Accusiations of (borderline) racism
Hi,

At Articles for deletion/Killing of Ma'Khia Bryant you commented "Some of comments here border on racism that is disturbing to see in a deletion discussion on Wikipedia. But since racism exists in the off-line world, I guess we shouldn't be surprised to see it here, too. How about we assess notability of the shooting and not whether or not the victim deserved to die?"

I was one in the minority who voted to delete the article, and find accusations of even borderline racism to be a very serious accusation. What comments in the discussion border on racism? You are free to disagree with the reasons for my delete vote, of course. That is part of the reason we have AFD.

For the record, I don't believe that Ma'Khia Bryant deserved to die. In my view, it is very callous to believe that a 16-year old child deserves death. That the right of self-defense (or defense of others) sometimes allows the use of deadly force arises from the would-be-victim deserving to live, not the assailant deserving to die. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Sjakkalle,
 * No, it was not your comment, in fact your comment didn't even mention race. The comment I was concerned about was partially redacted. I'm sorry if you felt targeted but I was trying to make a comment about the tone of the discussion without singling anyone out. Some of the commenters seemed irritated that there was even an article on another black person who was killed by the police but it wasn't your remarks. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you very much for clarifying! Sjakkalle (Check!)  19:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Dhangadhi FC, Biratnagar City FC, Butwal Lumbini FC
Hi. Please restore these articles. Because it belongs to G5: This applies to pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and that have no substantial edits by others. I contributed to the improvement of that article. I still want to improve them. Please take it into account. Sincerely, --TarPas (talk) 08:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll look into this. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:24, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your attention! --TarPas (talk) 07:43, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, TarPas,
 * After looking these over, I'm going to have to decline your request. The only substantial edits to these articles was by the sockpuppet, not by other editors. They are also short articles that I think can be easily recreated. You can try asking at WP:REFUND but I think the admins who work there are typically more strict than I am but you can give it a shot. I'm sorry not to give you the answer you wanted. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If possible, read this discussion: User talk:Cabayi. Best regards, --TarPas (talk) 10:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I would like to inform you that I also have edits in the history of those articles. I do not want them to be deleted. Please restore relevant articles. Sincerely,--TarPas (talk) 08:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Revdel requested
Hi Liz, hope you are doing well. Revel requested at Murder of Peggy Knobloch, I had to remove the names per WP:BLPCRIME. Thanks. CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:06, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:23, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There is an additional edit that needs revdeletion. Also, my sandbox needs some revdeletions. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:25, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Earwig got the ones in my sandbox. Scorpions13256 (talk) 02:04, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Scorpions13256,
 * This is the second time Earwig has covered for me, I should give them a barnstar or something. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:12, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I was considering doing the same. Earwig seems to be the one to respond to most of my revdeletion requests. Scorpions13256 (talk) 02:14, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

I am so sorry
I am so sorry about the ignorance related to my article. I had not read that guideline. I assumed that because it was highly publicized, it was okay. I assure you this will not happen again. This was my first time writing about living people. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Scorpions13256,
 * The problem is not making mistakes, we all do that, we run into problem when editors don't change their behavior upon learning that they made a mistake. There is a learning curve on Wikipedia and even after nearly 8 years, there are still areas of Wikipedia I don't edit or admin in because I'm less familiar with the policy and guidelines. We're all still learning and it looks like today you learned some issues we have with WP:BLP which, along with copyright, is probably one of the most sensitive area of Wikipedia. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This is the first time I have ever had any of my edits revdeleted, and I am hoping I do not outrageously violate any policy ever again. I do not recall ever repeating the same mistake on Wikipedia, but I will be more mindful. Again, thank you for your understanding. Scorpions13256 (talk) 02:24, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

German American
Hi again. I restored this G8 deletion with 1700+ incoming links where an IP had inappropriately redirected it to a nonexistent title. (Another editor pointed it out off-wiki—I promise I'm not following you around, just weird coincidences!) It's similar to the Indian Academy Awards winners situation from last week. Maybe your workflow for G8 can be improved? I'd suggest double-checking anything that was recently retargeted (especially if the previous target still exists) and if the title has many incoming mainspace links, i.e., signs something fishy is going on. —&#8239; The Earwig (talk) 05:06, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, The Earwig,
 * This was due to this page's listing of broken redirects and I should have picked up on this one immediately. Typically, these broken redirects appear after an article has been deleted but occasionally it is due to a redirect being changed to a nonexistent page. Lately, the broken redirect page has been very full due to some mass deletions of articles on villages in Iran which have been done by other admins but I will double- and triple-check all listings. The reason I even go over this page is because these are typically deletions done by a bot and I thought a human admin would catch mistakes like this and a bot would not...but in this case, it was me who missed this one. Thanks again. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Revdel Request II
Hi Liz, seems like it is Groundhog Day...another Revdel for Draft:Yehuda Meshi Zahav because of BLPCRIME please, thank you. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:05, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 16:57, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Revdel request
Hello Liz, kindly take a look at these revisions 1 2 and kindly help delete for attacking a living person. Thank you. The Sokks💕 (talk) 16:56, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 17:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Space Art (band) deletion
Hello Liz and I hope you're both well. I'm sorry to have to do this to you both, but can folks please perform a thorough check for additional sources, before PRODing and deleting articles? I had to reinstate Space Art (band), with better references, from what was still available at archive.org. Notability is low, but it's not nonexistent or borderline; there are at least two dedicated reliable secondary sources for the band. Thanks. EP111 (talk) 19:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, EP111,
 * A contested PROD can always be restored and so I have restored all of the edit history to this article. If this happens again in the future with a PROD, you can ask any admin for a restoration or go to WP:REFUND. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:26, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. EP111 (talk) 19:27, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle
Thank you for your explanation, but this WIkipedia should be not for experts only. I do not know what Twinkle is and do not want to study the subject, I am 70.I have checked and the author was banned. 'Port of St. Augustine is a port in St. Augustine, Florida.' is a bad joke. Xx236 (talk) 07:44, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Revdel Request III
Hi Liz, good morning, sorry to bother you again: EDP445 needs a RevDel per BLPCRIME. Thank you. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:07, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Unverified Personal Gnosis
Hallo, in 2018 you deleted this redirect as "(Article has been deleted so this redirect doesn't serve a purpose)": you might be interested to see Unverified personal gnosis which has just appeared. Pam D  08:44, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, PamD,
 * Thanks for the head's up, I've restored the redirect. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:37, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

You've Got Mail
Hello Liz, I got notified that you deleted Draft talk:Italian Atelier earlier today, the reason being G8: Talk page of a nonexistent or deleted page. Since I'm a new user, I'd like to ask what the exact reason was and how I could improve next time. How can I also retrieve my draft? Thank you! Italianatelier-wiki (talk) 17:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Italianatelier-wiki,
 * Talk pages are where editors on Wikipedia go to have discussions about articles and pages. I believe you placed a draft on the draft talk page, not the draft page and since talk pages don't exist without a page to discuss, orphaned talk pages are deleted. I can restore your draft and move it to a draft page. Please keep talk pages reserved for discussions with other editors.
 * If you have questions about editing on Wikipedia, I recommend visiting the Teahouse where experienced editors can address any concerns you have. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

User:IeEditor/sandbox
You removed the speedy tag from User:IeEditor/sandbox saying that the user wasn't blocked, they are a sock of blocked User:Samiwc see Sockpuppet investigations/Samiwc. Theroadislong (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ahh I see they are not blocked yet! Only a matter of time though, cheers! Theroadislong (talk) 20:59, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Theroadislong,
 * I always check to confirm the page creator is a blocked sockpuppet and is the main contributor to the page. Some editors CSD G5 tag articles as soon as an editor is reported at SPI so your eagerness is not unusual (which is why I check). The way I look at it is, there is no hurry to delete their page creations if they are a sockpuppet and if they are shown to NOT be a sockpuppet, it's pretty awkward to go around restoring all of their deleted pages. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:35, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks, MediaJS, I've been putting in a lot of time lately, not sure if that will change in the future. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:35, 2 May 2021 (UTC)