User talk:Lizbet1

August 2021
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Hello Lizbet1. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to New York University School of Professional Studies, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Lizbet1. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Whisperjanes (talk) 15:17, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, this is the head of public relations for the NYU School of Professional Studies and I am trying to correct many mistakes on the page and update content that is totally out of date from a degree registration prospective, which could cause problems for us with NY State. Is there something else I should do in order to continue? I have no outside interest in doing this and I am not being paid separately for my edits, but it is important to fix this misinformation as it is quite out of date and will cause confusion. Lizbet1 (talk) 15:40, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Lizbet, you need to disclose, formally, in the way explained at WP:COIDECLARE., it doesn't really matter whether someone gets paid separately for something or not: the head of the PR department really automatically has that COI. Lizbet, it doesn't matter if you just correct minor things or not: you need to disclose in the way indicated in our policy--that is the first thing you need to do. Drmies (talk) 15:58, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

New_York_University_School_of_Professional_Studies

 * This is not a neutral edit: it includes promotional language ("Faculty members of the School are industry experts"), and that long list of inline URLs amounts to linkspam. Plus, not everything that's on the website needs to be listed.
 * This edit also contains promotional language ("The School has a long history of focus in the area of workforce development in NYC and around the world", "Programs serve students at every phase of their professional career", "NYU SPS hosts some of the largest professional conferences in the world". And there also is an inline URL, for the very name/subject) of the article, which goes against our Manual of Style.
 * This edit: same thing.

Please acquaint yourself with our guidelines before you come in and essentially turn an encyclopedic article into a wiki-version of the school website. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:04, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice. And sorry, I do not want to break the rules, just fix the issues that could cause us problem legally. I can certainly just correct the intro paragraph for mistakes and not put in any copy that would be problematic. I believe I have cut and paste the correct code with disclosure for COI to this user talk page. Can I delete the names of the degree programs and add those that are currently registered with the state? Should I not add links to the degree pages? It's still a bit unclear to me in that front. Lizbet1 (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, legal issues are not going to come from something being listed incorrectly on Wikipedia. I corrected the template and put it on your user page. Yes, you can correct those things, but please don't repeat the things I pointed out--inline URLs, promotional language. No, please don't include every degree program; that's not a thing we do. Finally, it's good practice for COI editors to propose substantial edits on the article talk page. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 16:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

More advice on New York University School of Professional Studies
Lizbet1, please read up on WP:Reliable sources - it's a common mistake new editors make, but information added to articles should include reliable sources (in the form of citations) that verify the information.

And because it is important (and much more difficult for volunteer editors to clean up issues with edits after they occur, rather than discussing edits beforehand) I will repeat what Drmies suggested above - it's best practice for COI editors to propose substantial edits (i.e. edits that are more than removing small bits of incorrect information, or are more than fixing typos or grammar) on the article's talk page first. You can do so by using the template on the article's talk page.

I also recommend you read WP:COIEDIT for the best way to contribute to this article. It's hard for brand new editors on Wikipedia to write in an encyclopedic tone of voice in the first place; it's even harder if you have a conflict of interest or a specific purpose for updating an article, and it's almost impossible to recognize when these biases affect the way you are editing. As a new editor, requesting help before you make edits also allows other editors to correct mistakes before they happen. If you'd prefer, you can draft any edits in your user sandbox and ask for advice on the talk page with the same request edit above, or you can ask any other questions you have at the Teahouse (a place for newcomers to seek advice/help). Cheers - Whisperjanes (talk) 17:30, 16 August 2021 (UTC)