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Kievan Theory: How persuasive is that argumentum ex silentio?
As mentioned in the article, an impediment to accepting the Kievan theory is the fact that proposed marriages between descendants of St. Margaret of Scotland and descendants of Anna of Kiev, Queen of France, would have been within the seven degrees of consanguinity (literally "with [same] blood") that at least would have required a dispensation (papal, episcopal, or otherwise) to permit. For example, Henry the Young King (son of Henry FitzEmpress and Eleanor of Aquitaine) was St. Margaret's great-great grandson and his wife, Margaret of France, was Anna of Kiev's great-great granddaughter. If St. Margaret was Anna of Kiev's niece, that would result in Young Henry and Margaret of France needing a dispensation to marry.

Edith of Scotland's (later called Matilda as Queen of England, along with something like 45% of all the other named women in legal documents of the time and place) descent from St. Margaret as a scion of the House of Wessex was critically important, so we can assume that was still in popular memory at the time of her daughter's grandson's wedding. But since St. Margaret's mother was not important dynastically to the English, I think it is very credible that close blood connection that came through her could be overlooked.

The Kievan Theory still has a basic problem that the only relationship in the (conflicting) primary sources it properly fulfills is "sister of the queen of Hungary"; if it was known that Agatha was the daughter of a Grand Prince, why would it have been rendered as "a woman of noble/royal blood" rather than her specific relation. But given the tendency for endogamy in Medieval Western Europe, I don't think the consanguinity argument to be persuasive in eliminating a Rus background for Agatha. Lizbetann (talk) 23:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

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