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Just a thanks
Llll, I just wanted to say thanks for disagreeing in a respectful way. A lot of these topics can get heated. An editor who stays respectful even after an extended disagreement is something to be acknowledged. Springee (talk) 22:45, 10 March 2021 (UTC) The above was typed out before your post here [] and still stands after Springee (talk) 22:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Springee. I often like your ideas, and I appreciate our respectful discussions too. Llll5032 (talk) 07:21, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


 * This may come across as odd since I just reverted one of your edits but yesterday I was thinking I wanted to reiterate my message above. I find that even if I don't agree with the edits, I feel that I can have good faith that your edits are generally a positive and if I disagree in any particular case it's probably a difference not big enough to worry about.  So again, kudo's to you.  Springee (talk) 13:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Of course and same to you, Springee — I just tried some compromise language in the article that may work for you. We may have occasional differences in interpreting WP:DUE and WP:NPOV, but we can work these out. Llll5032 (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, even with our recent article level disagreement, I want to reiterate what I said above. It is still completely true. Springee (talk) 19:54, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I recall you writing somewhere that good-faith disagreements lead to a better encyclopedia -- I fully agree, and also appreciate your thoughts on the article talk page. Llll5032 (talk) 21:04, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * Continuous reverts, of which edit summary does not match given do not match edits. Wikipedia:Edit warringMachiavellian Gaddafi (talk) 05:14, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Reported with this and examples including, but not limited to, past violations/warnings from other accounts. (e.g. edit warring, biased vandalism).

All edits reverted to @Llll5032
 * Please review WP:BESTSOURCES, WP:ABOUTSELF, WP:ONUS, and WP:EPTALK (editing is not warring, but reverts are), and discuss on the article talk page why the disputed content should stay in the article. Llll5032 (talk) 05:21, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

That's not the entire issue though, hence the report. Wikipedia guidelines clearly state that although multiple sources from one website need secondary reference, it's not a reason to warrant complete deletion; in this case, you deleted the entire show section. Also, it looks like you deleted the report from your talk page, which also violates Wikipedia guidelines. I'm not going to send another report, but a simple look through your talk page shows that you're notorious for this, as well as biased editing. The previous request is already submitted, along with every other example of these type of actions coming from your account, and there's no reason to continue warring. Machiavellian Gaddafi (talk) 05:29, 9 December 2022 (UTC)


 * For example, erasing Wikipedia admin posts are against the guidelines, as you did here:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Llll5032&oldid=prev&diff=1126409909 Machiavellian Gaddafi (talk) 05:32, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Please WP:AGF. I thought your repeat post was a mistake so I mistakenly deleted it, although deleting content from a user talk page is probably allowed. I will respond at the board. Llll5032 (talk) 05:39, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

You're continuing to assume that I haven't read these articles. If you look through the pages history, you'll see that I'm chipping away at validating and giving secondary references to several different topics within the article. Again, although many of these references come from the same website, they are not invalid or against guidelines. There was also an issue with deleting valid references, one being the association to vice media that was given in a very valid article from and approved source. I understand that cleaning up is part of what we do here, but you're overreaching. As aforementioned, you have a history of that. I didn't request for a total ban, but rather that you're locked out from editing this one page for at least some time. I don't want to argue about it, as we're both editors that are doing what we can to make Wikipedia better, and I would never go into any of your edits and change anything based on my personal feelings. I guess we're going to have to leave it up to the board to review my complaint. You do a good job on a lot of your edits, but you do tend to overreach. It's not a big deal, but I'm asking you to let me please fix the minor reference issues. Expecting an email with various articles included in it tomorrow, and I will implement them once I receive them. Machiavellian Gaddafi (talk) 05:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for saying that I do a good job on many of my edits. I take WP:PRESERVE seriously for established articles and well-sourced content. I would not object to your re-inclusion of Vice if it is sourced to a RS that also describes Censored.TV (otherwise it can be considered WP:SYNTH). Llll5032 (talk) 06:07, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Llll5032, Machiavellian Gaddafi is incorrect, which isn't surprising as he is a very new editor, you can remove any messages you want from your talk page except for unblock requests should you find yourself blocked. And these comments have bordered on being a personal attack that you are handling very gracefully. If he hadn't mellowed his words in his last message to you I was going to post a warning on his talk page about casting aspersions. Liz Read! Talk! 07:51, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

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When are will you be ready...
to remove the need for more citation and better citations to be added to the page on Francis Parker Yockey? StrongALPHA (talk) 18:19, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Most of the article has better citations now, so I moved the template to a section that still needs better sources. Thanks. Llll5032 (talk) 00:36, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for improving the Murray Rothbard article
I just skimmed it, but it looks like you did a lot. Prezbo (talk) 13:24, 22 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this kind note, Prezbo. Llll5032 (talk) 13:51, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

huge list of non-notable people on article 'Hudson Institute'
Hello User:Llll5032, you may be able to help me with an article where I think that some editor (have not even looked at who they are yet) went crazy -- in my small opinion -- and created a huge list of people that they thought were notable enough to list in a section (dedicated to this list of people) on the article Hudson Institute. Can you please take a short look at the section Notable personnel over at the article and let me know your opinion on the appropriateness of including such a (huge) list. My view is that the entire section (list and all) should be removed. All of those people are listed somewhere on the website of the organization itself and my view is that such a list has no place in an encyclopedic article. My view is also that the list simply provides gross and inappropriate advertisement for the organization, which is completely and entirely inappropriate for any encyclopedia and also for WikiPedia (as encyclopedic as it claims to be). If you agree with me, can you express your opinion over on the Talk page of that article (Talk:Hudson Institute) and bring some friends along with you if you can, to help squash this madness. I will defer to your opinion and those of other accomplished contributors if this kind of madness is deemed to be appropriate for WikiPedia (as I tend to always do anyway). My comments on this matter are already on the Talk page. Thanks for any help in this matter. --L.Smithfield (talk) 10:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, L.Smithfield, I may not be able to participate after being contacted because of WP:CANVASS. I know you don't want to violate the rules, so you should look at the canvassing guideline.
 * It is a very long list, and in my opinion it was much more proportionate before those recent edits. There is good guidance about such lists at WP:NOTDIRECTORY #1, WP:LISTCRITERIA, MOS:USEPROSE, and WP:LISTDD. "Notable" on Wikipedia means "notable enough for their own article"--another good reason to revert to the prior stable text. Articles with links to personnel with Wikipedia articles are common, and WP:ABOUTSELF rules allow some limited citations of the group's website, so I doubt that you could gain consensus for removing the whole section including the notable names. But the WP:ONUS policy would be on your side for reverting, and other editors of the article appear to agree with you. Llll5032 (talk) 13:33, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice (very useful). I am deferring to (settling for) the reduced list produced by User:Iskandar323. Thanks again. --L.Smithfield (talk) 15:38, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Should PragerU's description include their own stated purpose?
"...advances Judeo-Christian values" is one of the most common ways they describe themselves in many places, but even though that is also covered by secondary sources it does all derive from their self-published description, is that all good for being in the lead? I feel like it's all good if I just cite a source but it is a bit of an odd one now that I think about it. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 06:04, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, MasterTriangle12. In my opinion, it would be most DUE if secondary or tertiary RS use the description in their own voice. But if BESTSOURCES are noting the self-description, then it could be DUE if the RS are cited and the article notes it is the subject's self-description. Could it also could be more DUE for a later sentence or paragraph in the top section instead of the first sentence? Perhaps more editors will have opinions at the article talk page. Llll5032 (talk) 06:22, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Cheers, I'm thinking it might be better just left as the mention in the body, especially since reading about how the term was kinda a political construction and there are less nebulous terms that are more applicable. It would probably be good to have some mention of the prominent theological messaging though, I'll go through the sources at some point since several comment on it. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 06:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hi there! Just here to say: I love this kind of competing to achieve the best copy edit in this article. Well, not exactly competing, but I guess you know what I mean. Have fun! ;) Boscaswell   talk  06:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, Boscaswell, thanks for the friendly competition, and the friendly note too. Llll5032 (talk) 15:44, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * No worries, ! ;) Boscaswell   talk  22:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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Merging weaponization of antisemitism
It's becoming clear to me that this article's supposed topic is barely present in literature, and its valuable content belongs on Criticism_of_Israel (which has a broader and more real scope that can receive lots of the information on the weaponization article that doesn't belong there). Do you agree with proposing a merge there? I ask because I've never proposed a merge before, and I don't know about the process. Zanahary (talk) 02:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Zanahary, I'm not certain and I have never merged an article. But it is probably better to keep discussion about all this centralized on the article talk page. Llll5032 (talk) 03:29, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The formatting of your comments is going to pot in the ongoing discussion. There's a part out of alignment and two unsigned parts now. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:46, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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