User talk:Lmcelhiney/Archive 1

Vandalism to Bob and Tom Show
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David Hermance
Thanks for the kind words and for starting that article! It takes a while to get the hang of doing bios. One thing to be mindful of is cutting and pasting. It's important to write everything in your own words to avoid copyright issues. Thanks to your good research, I just had to format things a bit. Keep up the great work! Jokestress 21:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Warning templates
Hi there. There's a whole slew of warning templates at this page. If you scroll down a bit, you can see a table with the template name, as well as how it prints out on the page. Let me know if you need anything else. Joyous! | Talk 00:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

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 * I have had several reports of this problem, unfortunatly though I am not in a position to determine either the cause or any potential fix. Try leaving a message on http://amidaniel.com/smf/index.php?board=11.0 AmiDaniel's forum] (there is not much of a response to messages on his talk page), and let me know if you find anything out. Sorry about this, Prodego  talk  22:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It might have been because your name was lowercase on the approved list. That shouldn't cause problems, but.. I had some problems with recent changes as well, make sure it isn't being blocked(it reads an RSS feed), and that it is set properly. Make sure to click update if it is on manual, of course. Restarting VP usually works for me. Prodego  talk  20:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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Poets of the Fall Discography
I don't quite understand why you reverted my edit in Poets of the Fall article. Could you give me some reasons? --wlodi 19:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer. I guess it happened because I accidentally replaced the whole page with Discography-only section; it was caused by my computer crash and then Firefox's automatic back-up feature. Then Corpx classified it as an act of vandalism, Wiki sent me a warning and there we go. Thanks again for reverting to my version. --wlodi 15:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Brady Quinn
Larry, Thanks for the thoughtful message regarding the revert of my edit. I understand your point of view (as well as the original author's) and I think it's a good topic for discussion. Unfortunately, it wasn't discussed and went straight to print.

Because it is Quinn's Bio, it's hard for me to support topics that i feel are not factually based. The references to "big games" and critiques of Quinn's play seem to be severely opinionated. As someone that has followed Quinn his entire career, as I'm sure you are guilty of as well, it tends to aggravate me when people spew/repeat typical uniformed rhetoric. (I am showing my own bias now!)

For now, I'll let it go and wait for any sort of factual support.

Again, thanks for your message,

fuhreeus

--- Hi KelleyCook,

I certainly can understand your misunderstanding, but the section you deleted (regarding Brady Quinn's record) was not the work of an anonymous serial vandal.

Per the article History, User: Phydend had corrected the last of that anonymous vandalism at 1545hrs. Your edit at 1603hrs simply deleted a section that I had marked as "unreferenced" yesterday. It probably has some opinion therein, but it should not have been deleted pending someone determining that statements were factual or not.

Could you please revert it to the last version by User: Phydend or my last version User:Lmcelhiney as I'd rather not be blocked on the "3-revert rule."

Thanks for taking the time to correct this.

Take care,

Larry

Lmcelhiney 21:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

---

Have added the official Won-Loss record for 2003-2006 for the yearly rivalry games from the Official ND website.

Lmcelhiney 04:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

D12
I was RC patrolling and was reverting vandalism to D12, which had been vandalised several times by different IPs and users. I went to the history and saw your name and the diff showed vandalism but I wondered if the was maybe an edit conflict gone wrong? I didn't want to slap a warning on your page without checking because you seem to be a good user. Thanks Farosdaughter 18:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking! I just removed a Death Prediction for 1/3/2007 and a nonsense line manually because no VandalProof rollback was available.  I probably should have looked back further in the history, as you did.  I do TRY to be a good user! :-)  Happy New Year!  Lmcelhiney 18:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * All good then! Happy New Year to you too! No doubt we shall meet again on the old RCP :D Farosdaughter 18:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Rodney Howard-Browne edits

 * HI Lmcelhiney - I have serious issues with the above article and would love to support you in helping to wikify it and remove the POV statements. Pedro 1999a | Talk  21:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Pedro1999a,

Well, I appreciate your willingness to support.

Be Bold!

It is amazing what power we have when we do some research--virtually all of what was added today was copied directly off of their website. No citations. No copyright notices for the images. Oops...

Delete, delete, delete.

I try to have a totally NPOV when it comes to editing even though it is something with which I don't agree or even find offensive. Unfortunately, some have agendas to get past and they typically don't read, understand or agree with the guidelines and policies.

I recently rewrote and merged the articles on Nails and Manicure to get rid of POV and pull fashion stuff out of the anatomical article. I bring it up as an example of following the guidelines on an article for which I have not specific knowledge or interest.

Look forward to our further collaboration.

Take care,

Larry

Lmcelhiney 00:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Lmcelhiney. Great re-work of the article. I am watching with interest pending any reversions! Thank you! Pedro 1999a | Talk  08:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

My profile page
Something went wrong with my profile page. The text that was supposed to be on the left side is now crunched up in the column of my userboxes, and I don't know why. --Scottandrewhutchins 02:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem is caused by

, but I don't understand why. It was never a problem before. You can see what it's dong here. It's dumbass, so I don't understand it. --Scottandrewhutchins 03:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, well first of all, it appears that everything was shoved into an Infobox... When I removed it, it spread the user boxes across the page, but left most of your text at the bottom (as before?).  Well, there are some non-standard box sizes in there, so it spacing things out funny--leaving lots of blanks.  But, I put the code that I'd sent you in at the very top of the page and it reformatted as you can see.  Here is the clue that comes from the non-standards respacing things.  You can't format stuff like this by flowing it or it can overwrite other text.  I believe that the code that I used is good because it is like an HTML stylesheet to format the "spaces" for the userboxes.  SO, if you want to view it and try out the formatting code, great.  Or, I can help if you want.  Please let me know as it might just make lots of sense to you right now.  At worst case, call me on 850-2002 tomorrow and I can talk you through some of this...  Larry  Lmcelhiney 04:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What I had originally and still want, was the infoboxes in a column along the right like a sidebar with the main info at the left. --Scottandrewhutchins 21:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I misunderstood what was going on. I finally realized that the template that you were using for du-0 was broken.  I just stole the code from the template and placed it on your page (and above).  Works fine, I believe.  I wsn't going to leave the new formatting, I was just trying to see what was causing it by forcing it into a known condition and then got too busy at work to finish with the analysis.  When I looked back to last month and your User page was still bad, I realized that the only thing that was common was the template code (which was broken).  So, now you have the code in case you want to change it locally...  Lmcelhiney 03:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help! --Scottandrewhutchins 16:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit...
According to Chick's numerous "On Air" statements, this saying was an old family good luck saying which was said on the first day of the month. Lmcelhiney 23:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Lmcelhiney, if life were "The Office" you'd be Dwight. Either you are Chick or you feel compelled to be the keeper of the aforementioned, self-appointed no doubt. Jccox58 19:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't know of Dwight of "The Office," though I assume that you are not attempting to compliment me. On the other hand, I have seen and talked to Chick about this article...  Lmcelhiney 01:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

It just seems odd...Why would someone feel compelled to keep watch over information, as closely as you do, if you are not Chick and/or related to him? Also, I have seen and spoken with Chick, and believe me, it was all good. Jccox58 03:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Heywood Banks
I can live with your edit to the Heywood Banks article. By the way, I live north of you, in Kokomo. Thanks, Reid Hochstedler 19:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks! I remember Kokomo well, having worked for a while in South Bend and communting each week from Indianapolis :-)  Are you into your family genealogy, thought I saw some reference in passing over your Talk page?  My website has my father's side back to 1760.  Take care, Larry Lmcelhiney 19:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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Christian views of alcohol
Hi! I saw your recent tightening of Christian views of alcohol. On the whole, I think it was good work, but I did notice that you modified some of the (rather extended) quotations without inserting brackets or ellipses for the changes. Did you find the quotes to be inaccurate? I checked the MacArthur quote under #4, which is currently wrongly cited -- it should be -- and found it to be accurate, meaning that ellipses are required for your deletion. Also, I think the sentence at the beginning that listed advocates of abstentionism with citations is useful for putting a some names to the idea, so I'd like to restore it. (Please respond here.) --Fl e x (talk|contribs) 11:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Flex, Yes, the LONG quotes should have "..." inserted.  The point is, they are long quotes.  Since you have the links, there is no need to have the entire quote.  That is editing.  Regarding the long list of names...  Try to establish an NPOV, rather than name dropping.  A few, recent, names would be much more powerful than an overpowering list.  The key point being, if this is such an important section, maybe it needs to be a separate article with a set of salient points here.  It is significantly larger than the other two, supposedly "equal" points of view, even with my reductions.  Please understand, I don't drink myself and find that there are good points here, but there is no neutrality in a lot of this article.  Some editors would probably cut a lot more than I did.  (Oh, and by the way, some of the quotes are from the 1980s--is there recent discussion and new material?)  Thanks for getting back with me and I would be very interested in working with you to achieve a better article.  Take care.  Larry    Lmcelhiney 12:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've revised my previous edits by rewording to eliminate the long quotation and added ellipses. I think that adding short quotes from your prominent theologists list to these 5 points would be the best way to identify the proponents.  Lmcelhiney 14:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

First, note that I am not an abstentionist, I didn't compose the text in that section, I'm not pushing an abstentionist POV or "name dropping," and they're not my theologians. Second, please assume good faith and check your facts before making accusations.

In reality, I wholely agree that the section on abstentionism needs to be rewritten and reduced and that its substance should not be made up almost entirely of (short or long) quotations. Even so, I think the list of names at the beginning is useful for putting some names to the position -- it demonstrates that it's not a bunch of fundies outside of mainstream evangelicalism (which is not an entirely inaccurate description of prohibitionism's advocates).

BTW, I added an ellipsis that you missed to the MacArthur quote mentioned above. --Fl e x (talk|contribs) 18:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, sorry, obviously we were not communicating... I was making no accusations nor allusions.  My referents above were to the article, not to you or your editing or suggestions.  I know that we were both trying to improve the article and my reference to POV was related to how it should be changed, not who created it.  I should have been more complete and said, "[We should] try to establish an NPOV, rather than name dropping [as was the previous direction]", but I was rushing off to work when and trying to write something quickly.  Not sure what "fundies" are...  I'd like to see a more parallel structure in the three different focal points, but don't have time to do the research, myself.
 * My original entry onto this article was to remove most of an online sermon from the 1980s which had been used verbatim. You seem to have been involved with more similar articles than I.
 * I hope that this brief explanation helps to smooth the waters. I am looking forward to any improvements that we can make.  Thanks for understanding.  Take care,  Larry  Lmcelhiney 19:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, now I think we're on the same page. I want the article's POV to be improved as well. Aside from the abstentionism section, do you think it needs much POV work? If so, where? (BTW, fundies is shorthand for fundamentalists). --Fl e x (talk|contribs) 19:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar encouragement, Larry. :-) --Fl e x (talk|contribs) 14:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Larry, Since you've taken an interest in this article, would you give us your two cents at Talk:Christian_views_of_alcohol? Cheers! --Fl e x (talk|contribs) 19:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Cyrillic Projector
Hiya, I made some changes to the Cyrillic Projector article, but since I'm one of the people actually listed on the page (and my website is listed among the references), I'd feel better if someone else reviewed my edits, to head off any WP:COI concerns. If you have time, could you please take a look, and verify my changes? Thanks. --Elonka 19:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Elonka, Not a problem, it will be later today or tomorrow from my schedule.  I can see some refs from the Kryptos article which could be added as well.  Take care,  Larry    Lmcelhiney 19:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

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