User talk:Lmcgrail

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Copyright violation in Carleton plaza
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October 2008
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Michigan Central Depot
Dear Rkitko I saw that you posted a photo of the MCD on its page which was dated Dec 1913. Its a great photo but I wanted to let you know that I am the owner of the photo. I own the original gelatin print as well as the intellectural property rights on it. My name is Lucas McGrail and to the best of my recollection I was never asked if my property could be posted to Wiki without proper compensation. So I would respectfully requested that you remove the image from Wiki as soon as possible. If you wish to post it to Wiki, that would be fine but I will need to be compensated. Just so you don't doubt my seriousness, the back waves in the photo are from the adhesive on the back side of the print. They were formed by off gassing. The photo's original owner was Col. George Walbridge of Detroit MI who founded the construction company Walbridge Aldinger. I inheirted the photo from his estate. I would hope you'd do the right thing. Thank you for your time. Lucas McGrail —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmcgrail (talk • contribs) 13:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * In regards to File:Michigancentralstation1913.jpg, my sincere apologies. The source I obtained it from noted it was published in 1913, which makes a big difference in copyright. To your knowledge, has it ever been published? Is it known who the author was? Was it Walbridge himself? If published prior to 1923, the image is now in the public domain. If unpublished where the author is known and the author's date of death is known, the copyright remains for 70 years after the author's death (if the author died prior to 1939, the image is now in the public domain). If the author is unknown or it was anonymous as a work for a company, the copyright remains for 120 years after the date of creation (so in this case, the copyright is valid until 2033). In the interest of erring on the side of caution, I will delete the image this afternoon - I'm short on time now - and await your reply. If none of the above apply, I do wish you would consider releasing it into the public domain as it is a nice image to illustrate the article. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I have taken care of the image. When you get a chance, please do let me know more information about it so we can determine when it will be available in the public domain (although I don't think I'll still be editing Wikipedia in 2033 if that's the case). Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 23:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you Rkitko for respecting my property rights. This is what I can tell you about it. George Walbridge was the structural engineer on the Depot project. Three years later he founded his own general contracting company, Walbridge Aldinger. The photo in question is the last remaining photo of the construction progression photos that were taken by the construction company who built the station. If you look closely you can see workers on a ladder to the far right of the shot, gandy dancers laying track to the far left and just off of center two men in top coats watching the work (one I believe IS Walbridge himself). The station was opened Dec 27 1913 which means these workers were doing the last bit of work on the place when the photo was taken. FYI, it was opened ahead of schedule because the old Central depot had a fire which caused the whole station to be shut down. but I digress, the original photographer is unknown but other historians like me have postulated that it was the Manning Brothers of Detroit who took it because they were THE biggest construction photography studio in Detroit at the time. But there is no way to verify that. So as for publishing, it was and has always been a privately owned image and never published, unless someone used it without my permission recently. Now, this angle has been used may time over the decades to capture the building for publication but this particular image has never been. But for the sake of argument, the author is unknown which means the copy right lasts until 2033. However you make a valid point about the quality of the composition. You obviously understand what my complaint was by your act of removing it, which again, thank you for that. After thinking about it, I'm willing to release it if you would do one of two things for me. Either watermark it with "LMcgrail" across it when it is opened as a larger size OR reduce the resolution so that if anyone were to reproduce it, the resolution quality would be so low that it would not look right. If you would do either one of those things for me, I'd be willing to let it out for good.

On a similar note, since you are a fan of the building, I'd be willing to have a copy of the original photo made for you. The image that was posted is a black and white copy of my original silver gelatin which has browned over the years. Well when i was having some restoration work done on it, I had a new negative made of it which allows me to have real photographic copies made. If you'd like your own real copy, the lab I go to costs 15 bucks per copy but they look fantastic. If you are interested, then the same copy right rules would apply to you but you could have one of your own. My yahoo email is thegreenboot@yahoo.com. Drop me a line if you want one and if not, just post your response here to my requirements about the photo. Nice to talk to you. We'll talk again soon. Lucas McGrail