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fn minimi reverting question
Hello, while I search these images on official Australian Defence Force website it shows soldiers are equipped with Minimi MK3 or converted F89 variants, however you reverted and said failed verification, why? thanks. MSA09 (talk) 04:54, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The source itself has to directly say that it is the MK3. As with WP:GUN-USER, citing a source that only consists of an image and then drawing conclusions that do not explicitly appear within the source is considered original research. Loafiewa (talk) 16:34, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ok, thanks MSA09 (talk) 17:06, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023
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TGH
Hi, it looks like they're making one edit per IP then moving on at the moment, so blocking is not likely to be very effective. Especially if it takes a few hours for someone to notice the edit and report it to AIV, the chances are they won't be on that IP address by the time it gets blocked. Obviously if they stick to one IP or range for any length of time then it would be worth blocking them. Best, HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts? 17:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 202, February 2023
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Holocaust denial
To deny that Japanese war crimes were committed by Genosides is no different from Holocaust denial. Mureungdowon (talk) 21:42, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a verifiability policy, the burden to prove contentious claims lies on the person making them. Casting aspersions on my own beliefs, when I made it explicitly clear that my reversion was due to the previous edit not conforming to the verifiability policy, is a form of sophistry. Loafiewa (talk) 21:58, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No, do we need a source that the Holocaust is a genocide crime in the first place? Is it necessary to set a different standard for the way we look at the Nazis and Japan? Westerners like you demonize the Nazis and are very tolerant of Japan. Japan at that time was much more evil and more brutal than the Nazis, and was officially allied with the Nazis. Mureungdowon (talk) 00:00, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Imagine if I did the same editing as you in the Holocaust article. I am a South Korean. I think you are very racist. Mureungdowon (talk) 00:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If the Nazis are evil, statist Japan in the 1930s and 1940s is also devil of devil. The Nazis massacred most of the whites, and Japan massacred most of the Asians. Westerners are less alert to Japanese war crimes because of this difference. At the time, Japan was allied with the Nazis, and they even did biological experiments like eating human flesh and Unit 731, which even the Nazis did not do. Mureungdowon (talk) 00:08, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has a No Nazis policy. Nazi war crimes should not be glorified or reduced. So why should only the Japanese be the exception? Almost all Koreans believe that the Japanese at that time were on the same level as the Nazis or worse. Once again, I'm a South Korean. Japanese war crimes are clearly genocide, and this is no different from German war crimes. The way you look at Japanese war crimes is very racist to me as a Korean. (Change Koreans to Jews and Japanese to Germans here.) Mureungdowon (talk) 00:19, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No Nazis isn't a policy, it is an essay, and to be exact, it is an essay that outlines the correct behaviour when dealing with actual racist or Nazi behaviour. Verifiability is a policy, one which states that "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material". No personal attacks, of which accusing other editors of being racist is also listed as one of their examples, happens to be another policy. Loafiewa (talk) 00:48, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've warned the user against making personal attacks. That is unacceptable behavior on Wikipedia, and could result in a block. Mureungdowon, please do not let your passion for a subject lead you to making such unfounded accusations. You have to provide reliable sources for the claims you make in articles, so please focus your efforts on doing that, not on casting aspersions on fellow editors. BilCat (talk) 01:14, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I support a block. Look at their user page and history. Yikes. Qiushufang (talk) 03:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not an admin, so a case will have to be made at WP:ANI. I haven't looked deeper into the users actions to determine if a block is warranted yet. BilCat (talk) 03:14, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I apologise for referring to Loafiewa as a racist. I am sorry to Loafiewa. I was angry at the word 'sophistry' among the words Loafiewa used, so I made inappropriate personal attacks. However, I don't think this is a reason to be blocked. Because I am a South Korean, I have to be sensitive about issues related to Japanese war crimes. The father of someone I'm close to is the victim of a Japanese war crime. From now on, I won't say anything aggressive to other users. (I also acknowledge that my Talk page was aggressive, and I'm going to delete it.) Mureungdowon (talk) 06:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of those things. It's totally understandable that you are sensitive about Japanese war crimes. However, since you are sensitive about them, you need to the careful when editing those topics, as you may become to emotional to edit such issues at times. We all have areas like that, and sometimes we have to just stay away from editing those articles directly. I stay away from certain topics myself for those reasons. It doesn't mean you can't edit such topics at all, just that you have to be careful that you don't get so emotional about them that you can't edit in a neutral manner, as Wikipedia requires. BilCat (talk) 06:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 203, March 2023
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Repeat Vandalism Assistance
Hoping to draw your attention to a page Dai Viet Lan Xang War which is repeatedly vandalized and edit warred on by HungNguyen19181945. thank you StampyElephant (talk) 12:13, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright. I'm hoping that one more infraction should be enough to get him blocked, but we'll have to see. Loafiewa (talk) 13:44, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 204, April 2023
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Subject on recent edits of yours
can you check out the Arms trafficking talk page, you removed information that I’d like to re-add Bobisland (talk) 10:44, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Discussion about correct name of ATGM system "Skif"
Dear Loafiewa,

if you have the time, I'd appreciate your insight (and possible action) on this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skif_(anti-tank_guided_missile)

The issue that has arisen is in regards to the way the name should be spelled on Wikipedia: "Stugna-P" or "Stuhna-P"

There's a short discussion on the talk page that, in my opinion, provides strong reasons why the system should be spelled "Stugna-P" (as it was before in that article) instead of the currently used "Stuhna-P": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Skif_(anti-tank_guided_missile)

I thought about correcting all occurences of "Stuhna-P" to "Stugna-P" in the article myself, but I hesitate to execute such a significant unilateral revision and would like to hear your opinion before I decide to take any further steps.

Many thanks in advance. MiBerG (talk) 18:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Mini 14
Just checking, did intend to revert my fixes here? Adolphus79 (talk) 00:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Didn't realise I'd done that, went ahead and restored your changes. Loafiewa (talk) 01:59, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I assumed it was a mistake... :) - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023
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"Twinkle"
Again and again I see some edits reverted using a "twinkle". Is that some kind of "no sources detected" bot to revert edits automatically without spending human time? 81.89.66.133 (talk) 13:45, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * it is a script users can install to make some actions easier. - Adolphus79 (talk) 13:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * See Twinkle. Note that it can only be used by registered screennames. BilCat (talk) 08:48, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Fedorov Avtomat
It appears you have a sourced section (with archive.org backup links) of the article, all while labeling it as "unsourced". This time, I was not claiming XM7 is similar to Fedorov Avtomat in terms of caliber; but it appears to me there was some bias, especially given it was against pre-1900 Cei-Rigotti avtomat-like gun. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 15:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The article claims that the dispute "centers on whether the cartridge counts as a full-power or intermediate-power cartridge, and whether or not official doctrine and combat practice also contributes to such designation", a claim which is cited to three sources, none of which support it, nor do any of them even seem to acknowledge the existence of a 'dispute' of any sort, making the removed content unsourced original research. Loafiewa (talk) 23:24, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, given how the gun was forgotten in the Europe before the StG showed up in the 1940s. Trouble is, the author could have been a Russian with some Runglish-related bad wording. I think it's "comme ci comme ca", as the French say - some traits are present, some aren't. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 07:58, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I decided to trim the wording to correlate with what the writers say in the referenced works: there was a middle ground to say it was a "development" or "in many senses", with all the excuses. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 08:20, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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VSS and AS
Good day. Just a heads up. I have moved the 'AS Val and VSS Vintorez' to a new name 'VSS and AS'. I placed the VSS before the AS since the VSS was introduced/produced before the AS. The 'Vintorez and Val' names are not official nomenclature of these two firearms. It was a project name given to these two rifles during their developmental stage. It's correct to call it 'AS' or 'Val' but not 'AS Val'. It's simply redundant. Official designation given for the AS is 'AS Special Assault Rifle' and for the VSS 'VSS Special Sniper Rifle'.

For reference:

https://roe.ru/eng/catalog/Security%20systems/Counterterrorist%20assets/Sniper%20rifles/VSS/ - official website of the VSS from its manufacturer

http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/Security%20systems/Counterterrorist%20assets/Assault%20rifles/AS/ - official website of the AS from its manufacturer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNJgmn-VjJU&t=4s - AS promotional video made by its current manufacturer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m50N5bc_BE - VSS promotional video made by its current manufacturer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkprsBoImRg - History of the VSS, AS and other rifles chambered for the 9x39mm cartridge by Forgotten Weapons with Max Popenker Guns &#38; Glory (talk) 00:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You couldn't have just opened an RM? In English at least, the full name seems to be the more common one. Loafiewa (talk) 17:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Look at their official website. That I have linked. It is on English. This is a Russian firearm of course English sources will be limited and as I've stated the VAL and VINTOREZ is a project name. The youtube video by Forgotten Weapons went over it. Guns &#38; Glory (talk) 17:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The term 'AS VAL and VSS VINTOREZ' have been popularised on Western Media by video games such as Battlefield franchise and STALKER franchise. The REAL LIFE name/designation/nomenclature given by the Russian manufacturer is simply 'AS' and 'VSS'. Full designation is 'AS Special Assault Rifle' and 'VSS Special Sniper Rifle'. VAL and VINTOREZ were project names given to these weapons during there developmental stage to confuse CIA/MI6/other organisations at the time of the Cold War. Guns &#38; Glory (talk) 17:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Alongside the fact I already explained that the official name does not hold precedence over WP:COMMONNAME, as stated by WP:RMUM, "Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again". I have already told you more than once that you should open an RM, I strongly suggest you revert your recent move and open a discussion. Loafiewa (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * https://archive.org/details/janesgunsrecogni0000jone/page/309/mode/1up?view=theater here's an English source. Also cited it on the article. Guns &#38; Glory (talk) 18:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "common name' but isn't that a misinformation if it contradicts the official given name? Guns &#38; Glory (talk) 18:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No. The official name does not hold precedence over the common name. Loafiewa (talk) 22:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Discussion invitation
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:AS Val and VSS Vintorez § Requested move 3 June 2023. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:04, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 206, June 2023
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M16s in Afghanistan
The M16 Article already included the Soviet Afghan War in the list of conflicts, there are many pictures of Soviet soldiers with captured M16s. Its pretty obvious the Mujahedeen were the ones using them in the conflict I don't see a need to cite the fact the grass is green.

Secondly, the Afghan Civil War (1989-1992) was a direct continuation of the Soviet Afghan War just without the Soviets. The American supplied weapons (supplied to the mujahedeen through Pakistan) didn't vanish into thin air once the Soviets left, its pretty obvious that the Mujahedeen would hold onto them in their fight against the Najibullah regime like its not some conspiracy or something its just common sense.

I don't see how its poorly cited when its LITTERLY ALREADY CITED IN THE ARTICLE (citation 306 in the article)

Fortnitegamer3432 (talk) 00:59, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Saw you reverting my edit of m113.I would like to let you know that YPR 765 is M113 variant so there is nothing objectionable.Nevertheless thankful to your contributions SOHAMGHOSH123456 (talk) 05:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Study invitation for anti-vandalism patrollers
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thutmoes iii
I am sorry but another editor is the one who corrupted the page I am trying to restore it as it was Egyptian scholars believed that Thutmose conquered the islands of the Aegean Sea like Ed. Meyer and Cyprus was sending gifts or tribute to the pharaoh The first information is a belief from some scholars but the second is a historical fact Please return the page as it was 102.190.110.130 (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 207, July 2023
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Speedy deletion contested: Reliance Global Corporate Security
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M1 Garand
Hi, can you please explain how the edits I made on he M1 page are affected by the style page you linked? I read it, but I can't see how, why having the linked pages as the correct page instead of a re-direct would be incorrect. Thanks in advance.Halbared (talk) 18:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This is mentioned in the MOS:NOPIPE subsection (which I probably should've linked to directly), which states that when possible one should link to a redirect page instead of using piped links. Loafiewa (talk) 23:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 209, September 2023
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FM24/29 usage by US rangers in Operation Torch
Per an edit I made about a little over a year ago I'd written that US Rangers had used captured weapons during Operation Torch which was later reverted for being uncited (because it was, within the article anyway). I'm not exactly experienced with editing so have no idea what the citation rules are however I know the information to be factually accurate via ( twitter.com/battle_order/status/1588156353364705280/photo/1 who i'd consider a reliable source on the context of that image) which also confirms the image is likely by Phil Stern.

Is it possible to re-add the edit I made citing the link in question? Thanks CongoPlaysWarlock (talk) 23:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That would be an example of an WP:SPS. WP:RS explains it in more detail, but the general rule is that in order to cite something, it'll have to have been verified by a reliable source, of which most people on Twitter or other social media sites do not qualify. Loafiewa (talk) 14:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Heckler & Koch MP7
So I saw that you recently undid an edit on the H&K MP7, where it was seen used by colorado springs SWAT teams. The video I cited as proof clearly showed that they we're using the weapon & they we're clearly dressed in SWAT uniforms. I wanted to know if this was intensional or if you we're looking for other sources that help make it clear that they used it. I have no other sources available to show that they use this weapon. 2604:2D80:4434:0:CC18:6834:2793:3B47 (talk) 20:30, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It was intentional. Additions to the user section need to be supported by reliable sources, and as per WP:RSPYT, Youtube videos do not fall under that distinction. Loafiewa (talk) 22:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Where else would I look to find resources, other than going to colorado springs & getting SWAT to shoot me? There is nowhere else online that shows any colorado springs SWAT operator using a mp7, when in the video, it clearly shows someone on the colorado springs SWAT team using it. Not to mention, the author- donut operator, is a retired police officer & has been a reliable source for things police related even outside of youtube. Viking Adoranicus (talk) 16:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You can look online for one, and you can read the page on WP:V for a more in-depth explanation of what is and isn't a reliable source. If no reliable sources can be found to support a claim, then that unfortunately means you cannot add it. And unless Donut Operator is someone who has authored published sources outside of his Youtube channel, then according to the policy, he does not qualify as an RS. Loafiewa (talk) 17:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 210, October 2023
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Your draft article, Draft:Kel-Tec P15


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Edit warring
Please stop edit warring to remove reliable sources from the Akagi article. Fox News is generally not allowed for political topics, not historical topics. Judging from the above, this is not your first warning for violating Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Cheers! 70.108.1.24 (talk) 07:53, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've already explained to you that WP:RSP does not consider Fox to be a reliable source - for non-political topics, it is considered marginally reliable at best, and as such there is no reason to add it to a sentence that is already referenced. Loafiewa (talk) 15:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 211, November 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 212, December 2023
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Japanese translations' request
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