User talk:Loanagreement

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Since Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by some search engines, including Google. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. OhNo itsJamie Talk 16:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi there OhnoitJamie. It wasn't my intention to spam these articles on wikipedia but to post content that's relevant to educating on the topic. We have a loan education center which contains information that's not found on Wikipedia, including an updated and maintained list of UCC forms for all 50 US states that some users have found valuable. There's no purchase required to obtain any of the information that we're sharing in these wikipedia articles. If there's a more appropriate way or only certain articles that we can share our information on I welcome the advisement. For example the link to our listing of UCC forms was on ucc forms and promissory note for several months without objection. We only recently launched our loan education center and thought it might be helpful to provide that additional information as well. Again there's not an intent to spam here to get people to buy anything but merely to provide information that isn't easily available on the web and at the very least the list of all 50 state UCC forms with valid working links is something that we'd consider a valuable addition to articles related to lending and loan agreements.


 * Wikipedia is not a promotional vehicle, period. OhNo itsJamie Talk 21:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

There's no promotion going on at all. In fact there's been a list of UCC forms to all 50 states on the UCC entry since 2006. That is completely informational and useful to people. We've had people contact us and tell us as much. In early June we changed the link that was there because it was broken content. We regularly maintain that list of UCC forms for all 50 states. So if we were to add the links back to those form listings even on the UCC form page you would delete them? Even though that information has existed on wikipedia since 2006? Like I said it's not our intent to spam or promote, merely to educate and add value to the content on wikipedia. Loanagreement (talk) 22:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Prices starting at $14.95" + conflict of interest = No. OhNo itsJamie Talk 22:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Jamie.. that's the price of a custom loan agreement. That has nothing to do with the directory of UCC forms. That information that was being linked to is free for anyone to use and in fact there isn't another collection of it on the internet anywhere that's accurate and up to date. Why is it that after 3+ years of having a link like that pointing to a site containing free and useful information (UCC form listings for all 50 states) you, and you alone, have decided that it's unacceptable content? It's certainly not my intent to get into an argument but I fail to see where the conflict of interest resides. There's no opinion being stated or product being pushed on to any visitor, merely a directory being provided for convenience. So what if the user ends up on a site that sells a product? There's no product even associated with UCC forms on the site at all. There's no obligation to purchase anything. You might want to remove some of the other links pointing to universities then since they sell products too, namely college educations. Yet there seems to be no problem linking to content produced from there in the UCC form entry.

BTW how about documatica's link from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promissory_note then? That sure looks like a blatent attempt to sell a promissory note. How about this... How do I go about putting a link to that useful UCC form listing content without triggering "spam" flags? Thanks in advance for your help. Loanagreement (talk) 23:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There's nothing further to discuss. Other admins would have blocked you on the spot as an advertising only account. I'm cutting you some slack, but any futher promotional editing will result in an indefinite block. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 23:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Appreciate cutting us some slack, the only further point I'd like to discuss is again asking your advisement as to the proper way to link to free content that is useful and supplemental for the UCC form entry. Like I said a link to a free listing of all 50 states' forms was there for years and I'd like to know how to provide that content without violating any of wikipedia's policies. Thanks Jamie, appreciate it Loanagreement (talk) 23:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Jamie again I ask for your advisement about how to provide this content to wikipedia without being labeled a spammer. I don't want to edit the page and put a link to an unbiased list of state forms until there's some sign off that it's OK to do. If you won't provide that then I'd like to be put in touch with someone else who will discuss the matter with me. At the end of the day we're real people behind these wikis and I'm telling you outright that it's not my intention to spam but believe the content is valuable, unbiased, and pertinent to the article. Like I said that content was there for 3 years without any problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.153.48 (talk) 20:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)