User talk:Locococomama

October 2018
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D'Evelyn Junior/Senior High School
Hi. This is Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and as such policy demands that all claims made be sourced. Moreover, unless properly sourced, claims that the school has a strong this, that or the other department, club or society is promotional and hence conflicts with the requirement of neutrality. Since you are an ardent single purpose account, you should probably read up on out conflict of interest policy aswell. Should you be employed by the school, the terms of service apply, too. HTH, HAND. Kleuske (talk) 17:04, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Would you please abide by Wikipedia's accepted workflow, read the above and respond (preferably on the talk-page)? Thanks. Kleuske (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

I sent you a message on your talk page, but will repeat here. Our page was grossly out of date and I am doing multiple changes to catch it up. I am posting sources now on each area and doing my best to be quick, but you keep undoing what I am doing and don't leave me time to source it all. I am sorry out page was so out of date but other than a few areas of individual interest, no one has kept up with the page. I am new at this and doing my very best so please be patient with me. I have been working for hours and am really trying to meet criteria, but that will be impossible if you keep undoing what I do. I have added a ton of sourcing and am doing more as we speak. Please give me time.
 * Ok. You're new. The best advice is to read the advice given above concerning conflicts of interest and what (not) to do. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an add-on for your school website. Kleuske (talk) 17:41, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

I am happy to read things again. I am not trying to add on to our school website. I am trying to record the history of the program. Originally, the championships of athletics were listed, but most stopped listing items around 2005 (though some people seemed to keep up with specific programs Other programs were not included at all and extra curricular items were outdated from the early 2000's also.  I am only trying to continue with how the page was originally developed.  It is a learning curve, but I am unsure of why it was OK when developed and now adding to such is not OK?  Again, I am posting references like crazy, but there is a lot to catch up with right now.  I do not have a conflict of interest.  I am just trying to get the history right so the encyclopedia effort is up to date.  If you specifically have an issue with something I am doing that is most problematic for you, please advise.  Just undoing it all does not help, as I have no idea specifically what I am missing, except references and I am working on those now.

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. Kleuske (talk) 17:39, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

I am neither paid nor employed by the school. I am only trying to update each area so it is historically accurate as many of the areas were grossly out of date and needed such updating.

WP:3RR warning
Hi there, I understand you're new to Wikipedia, but I think you should pay attention to a central Wikipedia policy WP:3RR establishes a "bright line" of three reverts in 24 hours to any one article after which one is unambiguously considered to be edit warring. And edit warring is a behaviour that can lead to you temporarily, or even permanently, losing your editing privileges. I would also suggest you review the WP:BRD essay, which contains additional information regarding the norms in Wikipedia surrounding edit behaviour. Simply put, when you make an edit and that edit is contested, you should go to the article talk page and discuss it before re-inserting the contested edit.

I am going to go back and revert you a second time. By my count, you have already reverted the page to your preferred version five times. If another editor were inclined to report you to the edit-warring notice board you would probably already be losing your edit privileges for a day or two. Now that I am posting this warning on your page, it will also be expected that you understand the possible consequence of going to a sixth revert. Please engage constructively at talk if you wish to see the page for this school updated. Simonm223 (talk) 19:12, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

I am completely confused. One person told me to source everything, which I have been trying to do, but every time I source to fit the original reason it was undone, it gets undone again. I'm not sure what to do at this point. I am doing my very best. This is a very cumbersome process and I have wasted countless hours now trying to get it all input. Frankly, I would have given up by now, but have so much research done that it seems a total waste if it does not get implemented. The biggest issue is that the entire thing gets undone. If there is an issue with a specific area, please advise. The biggest complaint, as I stated, was not sourcing, which I always intended to do. There was a lot of info added and I had to source each item. The undo process has been very frustrating. It would be far better to let me know what exactly you object to. Can it really be sourcing? I tried to take out some of the commentary too, per what I was asked to do, but again, it keeps reverting to misinformation. As an example, the demographics are WAY off, as are many other items like enrollment. Things have changed over the years and no one has paid attention to the full page. I am happy to take input, but please be specific. I have read what was sent to me and am doing my best to do it all, but the constant having to redo (especially sources) is super frustrating. I am not sure why anyone wants this page severally out of date. What is worse is that parts are up to date, making it look like the entire page is up to date, misleading readers.

You mention "engaging constructively," where exactly am I to do this? Here? The people undoing items are not engaging constructively, unless I am missing is somewhere?


 * May I make a suggestion. There have actually been many issues but it is difficult in a short edit summary to list everything and it can also look rather abrasive. There is a simple first test and that is whether the text is encyclopaedic. Would you expect to see this text in a reputable encyclopaedia ? Knowing the Boys Cross country was successful in 2002, falls quite a long way below the line of what might be thought of as encyclopaedic. Sources are needed for establishing potentially contentious claims or assertions - that the school is best at something or has the greatest exam results. However, even these "facts" are a rarely encyclopaedic and will be seen by many editors as promotional and "peacock phrasing". This article is not a prospectus for the school, it doesn't have a purpose of making this school look better than others and it certainly should note attempt to list every trivial detail about the school and its educational programme or it facilities. Its sole purpose is to provided an authoritative, balanced account of one particular school and the key facts that define that school and its place in its community. If it has notable alumni, by all means list them. If it has made history, please do note that, but few people will be interested in trivia such as the provision of theater studies or about school sports team unless it forms part of a much more significant issue such as producing 5% of all Olympic athletes or something similar. Apologies for the rambling explanation but I hope that it makes it a little clearer.  Velella  Velella Talk  20:50, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, I think I get what you are saying. The issue being the outline of the page was already created. I only followed it and added to it. I'm not sure how to update it and leave sections already started in one way alone. I guess I can do the changes one by one and see where it goes.


 * In that case may I make one further suggestion? Wikipedia has a mantra "be bold". Please do be bold, delete things that do not add value. Rearrange sections and change headings and try tpo make it better. Yes, please do it a little at a time and use edit summaries to explain what you are doing so nobody is surprised. It would be great if you could change this into a a well balanced encyclopaedic article about a school - we don't actually have very many of them on Wikipedia!. Best of luck. Oh... one final thing, please do sign your posts on talk pages using four tildes ~ .   Velella  Velella Talk  21:22, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


 * OK, so where do I go from here? Do I wait a couple of days for some rule, or is it OK to edit each section? Locococomama (talk) 21:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


 * No need to wait, no new rules are going to surface, but it probably may be useful to try editing other articles in which you have some knowledge or expertise just to get more of a handle on how things work . Please also do have a read of the five pillars of Wikipedia and follow up some of the links there. Then do have another go D'Evelyn Junior/Senior High School - several other editors have also seen this or another conversation and have tried to improve it - you are not on your own here. I think  Jytdog has already mentioned, please inset any additions to a conversation thread by using one more colon than the previous contributor. I have added them to you previous comment (3 colons) and I have indented mine (4 colons). It just makes the thread so much easier to read and it is the convention here. Thanks  Velella  Velella Talk  23:15, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

October 2018
Hello. Your recent edit to D'Evelyn Junior/Senior High School appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 23:52, 18 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't totally understand what you are saying there. Can you state what list you are referring to please?  Also, I reverted the demographics and added a different source from the CDE, which should be acceptable.  If you find anything else that is problematic, please let me know.  The way Wiki works makes it very difficult to figure out what is problematic and what is not, but I will check back so if you find something else I can fix it instead of you reverting it and making me do the work all over again.  I am new to Wiki and am doing my best at following what I need to do.


 * Why did you remove curriculum? @idegon It was always on the Wiki page.  D'Evelyn is not a normal school and the curriculum is what makes it what it is.  The testing success is all referenced, which is what others told me to do.  A school with a unique curriculum cannot be explained without the curriculum it teaches. If it was a performing arts school, you would then see that difference in curriculum.  This is not at all promoing the school, it is all facts and most of them already existed on the page, I only updated the references and data (ACT, remediation and other info was all there for many, many years, but it was silly to have out of date info since no one had updated it).Locococomama (talk) 00:09, 19 October 2018 (UTC)