User talk:Logger9/Archives/2009/May

User:Logger9/Transparent_alumina
Your edits to Transparent_alumina here contain material taken from here, here, and here, among others. As someone who claims to be a professor, do you really not know that posting this material on Wikipedia is unethical and against the rules here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glengarry (talk • contribs)
 * It is likely that Logger owns the copyright to those, per Talk:Colloidal crystal. I'll give him an email and see if he does indeed own the copyright and is willing to release under GFDL. NW ( Talk ) ( How am I doing? ) 01:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Under multiple pseudonyms? Are you kidding me?  On the colloidal talk page, it was found that Logger9 had lifted material from Ratner's Biomaterials. Did he or she write that too? Note that Logger9 removed all related discussion from the talk page --Glengarry (talk) 13:43, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I really would not categorize that. Part of the convo reads:
 * From the author. Re: Theory and Background section. The paper that you refer to is my own website, which has already been cleared for copyright permissions with Wikipedia. I also did a complete re-write of that section just so it would not be a verbatim copy of that material. logger9 (talk) 18:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that a GFDL release has been received from wavesignal.com at OTRS:2323476. Stifle (talk) 20:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * However, I don't know the particulars of the situation, so I'll just back off until Logger replies. NW ( Talk ) ( How am I doing? ) 17:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that the most constructive way to approach this is line by line. (The first time this came up, it turned out that I was being accused of copying my own website material).

1) In the first description of the absence of a definition for the term "transparent", I may have initially stayed too close to the author's original text. But the thing that I really don't understand here is that I decided on my own to remove that material completely from the article (in its entirety) over a month ago !

Please note that in the case that material was still posted there, I would be happy to completely re-phrase that section -- or even remove it in its entirety if that were necessary for Wikipedia approval. I am not looking for a fight here. I am looking for a quality product.

2) It would appear that the second reference (to an extremely brief website on transparent ceramics) is virtually unfounded. There is nothing there that is not more thoroughly covered on related websites.

3) In the third case of an Internet article on a "Simple Route to Nd:YAG Transparent Ceramics", I am certain that I sited a fair amount of data from that excellent article, and referenced it clearly. Again, whatever material you feel needs to be re-phrased (or even omitted), I am completely negotiable to.

It is not my intention to plagiarize ideas and concepts from other authors. With an extensive background in the field (I have been following the development of transparent ceramics since the development of Sol-gel technology in the mid-80's) it is my most sincere goal to highlight for Wikipedia readers the cutting edge of this field through extensive searching of the literature. If my pen or keyboard gets too close to theirs at times, I wish to express my most heartfelt regrets and apologies. But try not to punish our readers for my occasional indiscretion. If the work needs to rephrased, then that can readily be done at any time. That way, the bulk of the best avaiable current information still gets to our audience. :-)

I would recommend guarding against the limiting of creative presentation of fundamental scientific ideas and concpets, based on issues of territorialism and personal agendas. It is obvious in this case that the author does not appreciate any or all of my work, since it has been removed from the article in its entirety. A 21 kB article has now been reduced back to 7 kB -- simply because that author is not willing to compromise or accept the work of an experienced colleague. Therefore, I have republished my changes to the article on Transparent alumina here. Please feel free to review and advise. -- logger9 (talk) 20:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * In reviewing the brief article on "A Simple Route to Nd:YAG transparent materials", it would appear to me that those accusations are clearly unfounded also. That was a very short and helpful article, but there is no strong crossover between my presentation (and/or material) and theirs -- other than the raw material and the general description of applications, which is available in dozens of other articles I have clearly cited as basic reference material. So that makes three for three.


 * I am very sorry that my co-worker is so dead-set on giving me a bad name. I would hope that we can reach some form of compromise for the benefit of all who put in their valuable time and energy for Wikipedia. I think we will find that the amount we can accomplish as a team far outweighs the alternatives. -- logger9 (talk) 21:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Copied this discussion to the talk page of Transparent alumina; please continue there. -- Afluegel (talk - WP Glass) 06:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Thanks ! -- logger9 (talk) 18:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Crystal growth
Please stop reordering the see also list. Per WP:SEEALSO it is supposed to be in alphabetical order. Also, please use edit summaries, as it makes following changes much easier. Wizard191 (talk) 12:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Vacation until June 2
Hi, until June 2 I will have only very little time for Wikipedia because our family is going into vacation. I still will check now and then, whenever possible. In case there is a a very urgent matter about the taskforce Glass, I hope you can resolve it, at least temporary until June 3. Thank you in advance... -- Afluegel (talk - WP Glass) 19:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Olympic mountains
I put most of your new material into two new articles: Herb Crisler and History of the Olympic Mountains, and left a general summary in a new section on "history". So, your material hasn't been deleted, just moved around a bit. Thanks! —hike395 (talk) 06:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks great to me ! I am trying to dig up some old photos of me and the boys chilling with fresh wild blueberries in Upper Cream Lake Basin and hanging out at Crisler's Cat Creek Basin shelter in the 70's. My Dad helped put in the rock floor there while waiting out the rain. He was also instrumental in the construction effort which resulted in the small A-frame (aka "The Waterhole") w/ wood stove located near the end of Obstruction Point Road on Hurricane Ridge. Cheers ! -- logger9 (talk) 18:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)