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December 2014
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I'm replying down here
You have seemed to have gotten involved in a dispute because you removed the COI tag that was located at the top of the article. It's important that when you remove such a tag, that the issue is resolved beforehand. The article will be deleted if there's a supermajority at the AfD saying it should be deleted. However, adding references can't hurt. I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a &#123;&#123;Talkback&#125;&#125; message on my talk page. @ 20:52, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Lorenzo Belenguer, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. ''Adding sources - good, but this also removed the failed verification/cn without explanation. As your account is an WP:SPA I've marked your comments at the AfD as such, and it appears that you have a close interest in only this article and it's retention, indicating you may have a COI (whether, in fact, you have or not). Adding more WP:EXT links ) that have been removed, also indicates a desire to include links to promote.'' Widefox ; talk 21:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

July 2015
I wasn't interested in responding to e-mails, and I would prefer communication be visible on Wiki. I'm not terribly interested in this case.

Anyhow:
 * theglassmagazine.com only mentions that he was featured in the 56th Venice Biennale. (No other mention on the page, so it doesn't count towards WP:GNG) - It doesn't support notability according to Notability_(people) because it's not a permanent art collection
 * I can't access the British Library page.. Is there a permanent URL that doesn't expire?

I really think at this point you should wait patiently until Belenguer satisfies Notability_(people). There may be other Wikis that are more suitable for articles about up-and-coming artists who don't satisfy the notability requirements.

What will help you is a single source or two sources that truly meets the requirements, rather than throwing up every possible source with every mention of Belenguer. WhisperToMe (talk) 12:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Dear WhisperToMe

Thank you for getting back to me and your suggestions. Very much appreciated.

These are the links to the publication of his London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic project:

British Library http://primocat.bl.uk/F?func=direct&local_base=ITEMV&doc_number=017186595&con_lng=eng Virtual International Authority File VIAF Authority Control http://viaf.org/processed/LC|nb2015008618 Olympic Studies Centre, Lausanne, Switzerland - http://opac.rero.ch/gateway?skin=vd&lng=en&inst=81&host=virtua.rero.ch%2b8801%2bDEFAULT&patronhost=virtua.rero.ch%208801%20DEFAULT&searchid=1&sourcescreen=INITREQ&pos=1&itempos=1&rootsearch=SCAN&function=INITREQ&search=AUTHID&authid=25662577&authidu=4

Solo in-depth articles:

Artlyst http://www.artlyst.com/events/lorenzo-belenguer-kate-moss-nine-other-women-clubrooms-mayfair-london FAD Art Magazine http://fadmagazine.com/2012/07/24/lorenzo-belenguer-art-opening-at-nellie-dean-tuesday-24th-july/ Greater London Authority http://www.london.gov.uk/city-hall/city-hall-blog/2012/08/an-olympics-legacy-in-a-digital-age University of the Arts London http://blogs.arts.ac.uk/london-college-of-communication/2012/02/22/londoners-get-personal-with-the-olympics/ London newspaper http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/artist-who-keeping-gallery-free-5972001 The Independent (a paragraph) http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/features/new-lease-of-life-how-disused-car-parks-are-being-transformed-into-cultural-centres-9822021.html

Interview by the Spanish radio Rne1 (the equivalent of the BBC radio) http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/audios/hoy-empieza-todo/hoy-empieza-todo-testimonies-30-08-12/1516609/

Solo in-depth articles in the Spanish media:

http://www.lasprovincias.es/culturas/201407/01/lorenzo-belenguer-conquista-londres-20140701211646.html http://ocio.levante-emv.com/cine/noticias/nws-110262-lorenzo-belenguer-recoge-testimonios-olimpicos.html http://www.publico.es/deportes/londres-1948-juegos-austeridad-crisis.html

I was wondering if there was enough evidence to reconsider the page.

--LondonArt2010 (talk) 19:08, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Londonart, I had asked you to give me "a single source or two sources that truly meets the requirements" - not a lot of links that may only have a tenuous connection. It takes a lot of time away from what I want to do. A lot of people will flat out ignore you if you dump a lot of stuff on them. You have to only give them what they really need to read.

A few things about the first part (the links about the books): WhisperToMe (talk) 21:51, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No matter what Belenguer publishes, it will not meet Notability_(people) unless it meets:
 * "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
 * The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums."
 * Also the rero.ch link doesn't work. Other than that, the fact that Belenguer wrote a book does not give him any evidence of notability.

Okay, a newspaper article with Belenguer as the subject may give the possibility of a new article: http://www.lasprovincias.es/culturas/201407/01/lorenzo-belenguer-conquista-londres-20140701211646.html - If there are two, three, or four of these published by a newspaper it may be something that can be used to make a new article. Let me go through the list... Again, don't post too many at one time because that will overwhelm people. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:38, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Also we have to make sure the links are not routine exhibition announcements. Routine announcements do not count towards notability. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Suggestion
--LondonArt2010 (talk) 12:26, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you WhisperToMe. I've just done it. Articles for creation Spanish newspaper article http://www.lasprovincias.es/culturas/201407/01/lorenzo-belenguer-conquista-londres-20140701211646.html And one article by a London magazine http://fadmagazine.com/2012/07/24/lorenzo-belenguer-art-opening-at-nellie-dean-tuesday-24th-july/

If anything is incorrect, please let me know. I appreciate it.

--LondonArt2010 (talk) 17:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I suggest using AFC: Articles for creation. Honestly I suggest only giving the AFC creator the Spanish newspaper articles, and maybe one of two London magazines which have Belenguer as the main subject. Please tell me when you've submitted the AFC.

Someone else will write the article for you. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:30, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Dear WhisperToMe

I suggested the article using AFC: Articles for creation and including the two articles on the 15th November 2015, but nothing seems to be happening.

I thought the two articles and the Heritage Lottery Fund publication about the London 2012 project was enough to undelete the page. It's being kept in the British Library and |nb2015008618 VIAF. It doesn't need to be created again, just improved.

Please let me know, if there's something else it needs to be done.

I'll take a look at the source. I may as well try doing a draft of a short article based on the Spanish newspaper articles sometime. I'll have some guys take a look at the draft WhisperToMe (talk) 21:55, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you WhisperToMe If you need anything else, please let me know.

LondonArt2010 (talk) 13:05, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Dear WhisperToMe

I was wondering if you managed to compose the draft or if you need any help. This a copy of the page from which you may want to get some information http://us.wow.com/wiki/Lorenzo_Belenguer

Belenguer has just had a solo show in London and this is the article I found http://wsimag.com/art/18064-lorenzo-belenguer It mentions his previous shows at the Tate Modern and Serpentine Gallery in line with the Spanish article you suggested.

LondonArt2010 (talk) 17:18, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Started one at User:WhisperToMe/Lorenzo Belenguer - I would need one more article, then I can see what other Wikipedians think WhisperToMe (talk) 20:34, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

This might be a good one: http://www.eliberico.com/tres-espanoles-se-suman-al-arte-protesta-en-una-galeria-de-londres.html - It's a Spanish paper distributed in London WhisperToMe (talk) 20:41, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you WhisperToMe

It's looking good. I think you may want to add this article about his time in the gallery http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/artist-who-keeping-gallery-free-5972001

These are his inclusions of his publication of the London 2012 Olympics published by the Heritage Lottery Fund

British Library http://primocat.bl.uk/F?func=direct&local_base=ITEMV&doc_number=017186595&con_lng=eng

VIAF http://viaf.org/processed/LC|nb2015008618

I've just find out that Belenguer has been included in the book "Art in Minutes" with Jeff Koons https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=u7yxCAAAQBAJ&pg=PT556&lpg=PT556&dq=%22lorenzo+belenguer%22&source=bl&ots=TILYyBuc36&sig=vDYimDjw_Xpy7SGE-sgR1Xi3N1U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihtIiDwKfLAhWEVhQKHeDND3U4HhDoAQhEMAg#v=onepage&q=%22lorenzo%20belenguer%22&f=false

Please let me know if your colleagues need more independent sources. Thank you

LondonArt2010 (talk) 17:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Dear WhisperToMe

I was wondering if you've managed to discuss the page with your colleagues or if you prefer to carry on the publication of the page by myself.

This is an article about his latest solo show that I'm aware of. http://wsimag.com/art/18064-lorenzo-belenguer

LondonArt2010 (talk) 12:02, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Is this a routine gallery/exhibition announcement or is it a feature article? I wonder if maybe an article in a different magazine would be better.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 01:35, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Dear WhisperToMe

Thank you for your comments.

Perhaps this review from last October is fine http://www.makma.net/el-caos-ordenado-de-lorenzo-belenguer/

And this article from his current show http://www.xtrart.es/2016/05/06/lorenzo-belenguer-explora-el-minimalismo-junto-a-5-artistas-en-londres/

They both come from respectable art magazines.

LondonArt2010 (talk) 16:40, 16 May 2016 (UTC)