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Why I dropped Category:Mountains of the Sierra Nevada (U.S.)
Because those articles were categorized in Category:Mountains of Madera County, California and the only mountains in Madera County are in the Sierra Nevada. I made Category:Mountains of the Sierra Nevada (U.S.) be a parent category of Category:Mountains of Madera County, California, so the articles don't need to be in both.

User:Droll is thinking about splitting all of the Sierra Nevada mountains into the national park/monument/wilderness area that they occur in. That would probably make a lot more sense than by county (I always have problems remembering exactly where the county boundaries are, especially near the crest).

Similar reasoning applies to some of the categories that I removed at commons that I see you reverted. I removed categories from galleries that were grandparent categories of the galleries. It's not a big deal --- I don't feel strongly about categories: I just wanted to let you know why I was doing it. Reverting is fine by me.

—hike395 (talk) 06:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you 'hike395' for explaining, and I'm sorry for not researching the Sierra mountains cat tree myself first. With 'mixed mountain location' counties, such as Kern and Inyo with Mojave/Great Basin peaks also, is Category:Mountains of the Sierra Nevada (U.S.) still the best to use? Thanks— Look2See1  t a l k →  17:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Is there any specific reason for the large images?
is there any particular reason to insist on large images which are then not aligned with the infobox and thus create an untidy lay-out in Three Parallel Rivers of Yunnan Protected Areas? - Takeaway (talk) 16:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I gently ask you the same question, but regarding 'small pictures'? At 300px they are 'exactly' the same width as the infobox on my average sized screen. Your 252px size is smaller in column width creating an "untidy lay-out" here. I strongly share your concern for simple and clean image integration, and appreciate your efforts. I am quite ignorant on how articles appear differently on small and large screens, being only aware that where an [image:jpg|info] is pasted into an outline can affect image-text flow. It seems that on my screen 300px gives the same clean order 252px gives your on screen? Are there any wiki-editor-tool-articles on this? best— Look2See1   t a l k →  17:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I've checked my lay-out on HD screens (1920 pixels wide), on a notebook screen of 1024 pixels wide, and on an iPad. As I think that perhaps the discrepency between how you see the lay-out and how I see it, might be caused by the browser, I checked that too. For my computers using Windows as their operating system, I used Windows Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox and also Opera. The iPad uses Safari. In all instances, the image lay-out from my edit comes out alligned, whereas your lay-out continues to be misalligned. Which operating system and browser do you use? And also, did you perhaps configure Wikipedia to show you its content in a specific lay-out scheme? I have set Wikipedia to show everything in its standard lay-out. - Takeaway (talk) 07:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I too see your version with over sized pics that are larger than the infobox Look2See1, whereas the other editors smaller size lines up with the infobox. The infobox template used on this page gives a maxwidth of 285px. The picture inserted into it on this particular page is 250px.  He  iro  07:22, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you each for your responses. I see the mistake was mine via how my screen shows the article. I do not want to repeat this on other articles, but beyond never reverting an editor's resizing hereon, I'm unclear how. I'm using standard wiki settings and Safari-webkit on Mac 10. For a simple start should I keep images at 252px or less when an infobox is present? How does one find the maxwidth px of different infobox templates (per the 285px mentioned above for this one)? Thanks again for taking the time to investigate the situation. I am sorry for the problem.— Look2See1   t a l k →  17:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You can check the infox template itself, just look at the top for the name of the template and then in the search box type "Template:Name of template here", it should take you to its page. Not sure why your screen would show it different though, beyond my ken, lol.  He  iro  19:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Heironymous Rowe, will use the search box, and will leave the visuals here as a mystery... best— Look2See1  t a l k →  19:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

References are references, external links are external links
Please don't mix up things as you did here. Tags relating to references belong to the top of the page or in the references section; Commons links qualify as external links and that's the appropriate section for them. Please see Wikimedia sister projects for linking sister projects. One paragraph sections are not very useful either. Thanks. --Elekhh (talk) 07:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you Elekhh for noticing misplaced commonscat and skinny outline paragraph. Was overtired after extended research on Bowood landscape/arch. history - local settlements-roads on various satellite maps - web reference digging - and should just have put Studley on next day's edit list. Will check other articles in immediate area that I may have done same with that need fixing too. Thanks— Look2See1  t a l k →  17:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Middle East and Western Asia
Hello. The Middle East is not part of Western Asia. The Middle East includes Egypt, which is in Africa. Please stop making Middle Eastern categories subcategories of Western Asian ones. Thank you.  McLerristarr &#124;  Mclay1  06:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello, Sorry I don't understand the problem, though do not want to repeat any mistakes. As I recall they were just 'cat focus' edits, for focusing Category:Middle East and its sub-categories already placed in Category:Asia into more specific Category:Western Asia, where they belong. Perhaps you should add Category:North Africa and its sub-categories to address the [Cat:Middle East] concerns you have? [Cat:Egypt] and [Cat:Maghreb] are already in [Cat:North Africa]. Thank you— Look2See1  t a l k →  22:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't know who put Category:Middle East in Category:Asia but it's not in Asia. It is a region not within one particular continent.  McLerristarr &#124;  Mclay1  02:34, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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Hi. When categorizing protected areas as here please note that Category:National parks in xxx is always a subcategory of Category:Protected areas in xxx. Also Ramsar sites are always protecting a wetland, hence Category:Ramsar sites in xxx is a subcategory of Wetlands in xxx. Therefore is no need to use both pairs at a time. Also, in the above example, the whole island is a Ramsar site, while only a third of it (with a separate article) is a NP. Therefore the island article does not belong to the NP category. Hope is clear. Thanks. --Elekhh (talk) 04:48, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Elekhh. Missed seeng this before now - sorry. Your points are clear and will not double up wet-Ramsar or N.P.-protected in future. Thanks— Look2See1  t a l k →  06:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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 * Hi Elekhh - glad to stop whatever the mistake is but I do not understand the jargon nor can see the linked examples' problems. Please explain so I can learn and apply. Thank you— Look2See1  t a l k →  03:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. Through inter-language links, articles on the English Wikipedia link to articles on other language Wikipedias. Categories on the English Wikipedia link to Categories on other language Wikipedias. In your edits what you did was linking Categories on the English Wikipedia to articles on other language Wikipedias. This is confusing because is not what the reader expects, and leads to mixing up different name-spaces. So interlanguage links between Wikipedias should keep to the same namespace (i.e. articles link to articles, categories link to categories). It is different from general interwikilinks (such as between Commons and Wikipedia) which do not always follow that principle. --Elekhh (talk) 04:58, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the time to clarify the problem. You explained it well, so I'm pretty sure about understanding now and not repeating the mistakes.— Look2See1   t a l k →  05:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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Dear Look2See1, I'm having to spend quite a bit of time going through some South African plant articles you've recently edited and correcting English spelling & grammar errors. I myself am struggling to learn Hindi at the moment so I completely understand foreign language issues. However, could I please ask that in making your (otherwise very justified) formatting changes, you double check the changes you wish to make to the actual content & sentence structure - or run them by me if you wish. Thanks & kind regards Abu Shawka (talk) 09:29, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Dear Abu Shawka,
 * I'm sorry if my formatting/sentence structure is not in South African English (if understanding problem correctly). Mine is of another continent. Will research your corrections to learn from them, and appreciate 'run by' offer. Thank you,— Look2See1   t a l k →  09:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Dear Look2See1, I'm actually referring to standard Oxford English - the issues are more to do with omission of articles and incorrect word order etc. and are not "South Africa specific". I'm by no means guiltless of this so I don't want to point fingers! I jumped to the conclusion that English was not your mother tongue, but I am a mother-tongue English speaker and even I make such mistakes sometimes.

On a different and more important note, the Cape Town Biodiversity articles (especially the vegetation types seen here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiversity_of_Cape_Town ) were actually written by me on the request of the City of Cape Town's Environmental Resource Management Dept (Comms & Advocacy Unit) for the purpose of uploading to Wikipedia etc. Before uploading they were checked and corrected by several Biodiversity Experts from SANBI and the Biodiversity Unit of the City of Cape Town so the material in them should be correct (see CoCT materials referenced below each article). I am very grateful for your help on the formatting and the use of categories, "See also" sections and general Wikipedia know-how (I have much to learn about such aspects of Wikipedia!) but I would ask that you please do not change the content more than necessary - even the pictures were chosen by SANBI as being most appropriate or representative for the specific vegetation types! These are scientists and they're very pedantic!

If you do find real errors - and there quite possibly are some - please let me know. In the meantime, thanks for your help with my rather sloppy formatting!

(PS. The Cape Flats aren't a district, strictly speaking they're a geographical feature where +-3 million people live) Abu Shawka (talk) 12:25, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Please read the article Protected areas to understand the scope of Category:Protected areas. National parks are one of the six types of protected areas. Accordingly I reverted here and elsewhere. -- ELEKHHT 06:01, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for correcting my mistake, and links to reasons.— Look2See1  t a l k →  17:50, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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M-119 (Michigan highway)
In short, I just reverted your recent change for reasons I'll list below. When restructuring an article like that, "link" is not an appropriate edit summary. Such a description implies adding or changing a link in the article, not a wholesale restructuring of the sections. Our articles are structured consistently across not just all of Michigan's highways, but most of the US and even Canada. This aids reader comprehension because they know what to expect in the articles. It also aids editors because they know what they need to add in terms of content, and it gives them a regular structure to base the creation of new articles. Please try to be more careful with edit summaries, and please don't make radical structure changes like that without consulting other interested editors. (Also please be aware that Good Articles need proper leads to remain listed as GAs.)  Imzadi 1979  →   21:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) You gutted the lead down to a single sentence. This is a Good Article, and it needs a lead section that properly summarizes the article.
 * 2) You created a "Geography" section by moving the summary of the "Route description" out of the lead and into the body of the article. WP:USRD/STDS is the wikiproject standards page for articles on highways in the US, and it calls for a "Route description" section that... describes the route of a highway or roadway. You also created an article structure where we had section 1, section 1.1 and section 1.1.1... personally I think it looks very sloppy and unprofessional to have a 1 without a 2, and to go to a subsection of a subsection.
 * 3) You created a "Volume" section out of the last paragraph of the Route description. That paragraph also covers the National Highway System status, so it's not all about the AADT volumes, but more of a "meta" paragraph about the highway as a whole, and properly part of the RD.
 * 4) You moved the lead's summary of the history of the highway to the history section, duplicating information in the same location but losing the summary the lead needs.
 * 5) As near as I can tell, you didn't change or add any links to the article, which isn't what your edit summary said you supposedly did.
 * Oh, and a suggestion if you will... Commons links/boxes aren't "see also" links; they're external links. The rationale is that they direct a reader to leave the English Wikipedia website itself (hence "external") while see also links, like links to applicable portals or articles not mentioned in the text of the article, are links that keep a reader on the same website. See also as a section, usually comes before the references, and external links comes after, per MOS:LAYOUT.  Imzadi 1979  →   21:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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Do not replace prose with bulleted statements, as you did at Viola beckwithii. Moreover, your contribution history shows that you rarely provide an edit summary other than "link" when adding substantial contents, including problematic changes. Please begin using edit summaries that do not deceive others about your actions. Nyttend (talk) 14:09, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * One: please do not be petty or deceptive, one bullet to make the Wikispecies link more visible under 'external links' was not "prose replacement."
 * Two: please do not impose your imagined motives on another editor, assume good faith. 'Links' as edit summary term was used for new/fixed: inline links, 'see also' links, cat links, 'external links,' and international wiki-links. I can sub-annotate them.
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Hello, Look2See1. Why did you revert my edit at Lake Tahoe? This isn't the first time you reverted without explanation. I removed three categories: Category:Lakes of California, Category:Lakes of Nevada, and Category:Sierra Nevada (U.S.). I removed them because Lake Tahoe belongs to Category:Lake Tahoe, and those three categories are supercategories of Category:Lake Tahoe. This is following the policy at WP:SUPERCAT. Please explain. —hike395 (talk) 10:53, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Hike395, Sorry didn't explain, and didn't understand your quick revert of my preceding edit. My initial edit and followup rvt. was intended to assist readers navigating from the article out, not from categories in.
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 * Again, sorry for not explaining at the edit time. Thanks for your exceptional efforts with the Sierra Nevada region.— Look2See1  t a l k →  21:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Is there a reason you're not writing out the whole name of the location when organising the categories? The whole name ensures it will be in the correct order, and also ensures the spelling is correct. CMD (talk) 12:11, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


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