User talk:Loopy30/Archive 2019

Speciesboxes
Just to note that it's taxon not binomial in Speciesboxes. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course, thanks for catching another slip. 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 22:41, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Fixing missing taxon parameters
Hi, I'm not sure if you know this (apologies if you do), but the easiest way to add a missing taxon parameter when the article relies on the page title is to paste in ; it saves having to type something different in each case. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:04, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Peter, no I didn't know about this code. I was using copy/paste for the page name but typing  in each time. I also just learned of Bambot's template search tool from this very gnomish cleanup task as well (very useful). There is still much more for me to learn, even by doing it slowly and incrementally. 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 10:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I find there's always more to learn, however long you edit Wikipedia!
 * Automatic taxobox/sandbox now uses a Lua version which when made live will put articles with taxoboxes missing taxon in Category:Automatic taxoboxes relying on page title. When populated, it will be more up-to-date than the list here. I'm still testing the sandbox version, but hope to make it live later today or tomorrow. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:24, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Reyesia
Dear Thank you so much for your help in rescuing 'Reyesia' from draft limbo. Much appreciated.

kind regards

15:33, 8 March 2019‎

Leucotheidae
Hi. If the type species of a genus is no longer in that genus, then the genus ceases to exist, even if there are other species placed there. As such, all that matters is the type species of Eucharis (which I think is a junior homonym and permanently unavailable). If the type species of the former Eucharis is now placed in Leucothea, then that's the end of the issue. Dyanega (talk) 19:18, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

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User:Jacobmakesstuff
Hi Loopy30, I hope this is the right way to get in touch. Thanks for your message - my Coral contribution was as the punchline to a family joke we shared at dinner last night. My apologies, I completely forgot to change that back and I've also just read the wiki policy you linked to my page. I will make sure I adhere to it from hereon in!

My alteration to the ''Mammia Mia! Here We Go Again'' page was genuine - My 'day job' is acting and producing in Theatre and Film. You'll often find with film credits on pages like IMDB that a lot of cast are left off, this may be due to their scenes being cut or perhaps their name isn't 'big enough' to warrant the effort. Films will credit every single person in the Cinema credits and on Director's Cut edition DVD's but not always on standard commercial DVD's.

Can we either reinstate the edit, or add another a sub page for 'additional cast' which I will be happy to fill in the info for. I can cross reference between my production cast list and the IMDB credits and add in the extra few names.

Thanks, JMS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobmakesstuff (talk • contribs) 10:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello Jacob, while there are many things you can add to Wikipedia articles, it is highly recommended that you avoid anything that you have a personal connection to (see WP:COI). Also, any new information should be referenced and unfortunately as user generated material, IMDb is not considered as a reliable source (see WP:UGC). There is additional information to help start you editing in the welcome message on your talk page and if you have any more questions, you are welcome to ask here. Loopy30 (talk) 11:37, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you PMC, I fear there may be more such pages looming in the future as I work my way through the taxonomy of the Porifera. 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 12:16, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Ooh, good luck. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 15:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Grey jay
The IOC has FINALLY published (albeit a draft) of the common name change to Canada Jay. I'll wait until it becomes fully accepted there, but if anyone wants to go through the trouble of changing everything, I won't stop anyone.....Pvmoutside (talk) 00:45, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious
You are recipient no. 2255 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you Gerda, they are all small additions but I hope that cumulatively they will help improve the project. Happy here in my Gnomish Paradise, Loopy30 (talk) 13:45, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you see that "gnome" is my one and only topicon? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't notice that! My one and only topicon (I didn't even know that that is what they were called) is a gnome as well. 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 22:18, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

More detail
Rather than saying Move to accepted name as per ASW 6.0 without any link to a discussion, please include a link. I can see that Ranoidea is used in US sources but not in Australia (which still uses Litoria), so it makes it hard to understand the reasoning for the move when it is a frog native to Australia and not the US. Bidgee (talk) 22:31, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Bidgee, the move was done as part of the Amphibians and Reptiles project to convert to automatic taxoboxes. Although the latest Amphibian Species of the World (ASW 6.0) is hosted by an American institution (the AMNH), it is being used as the accepted project standard for amphibian taxonomy world-wide. You are likely to see more such moves in the near future as project editors bring existing amphibian taxonomy in line with the project standard. For more information on the background to this activity, see the discussion here. 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Your help desk question
Regarding this question, have you tried WP:VPT?— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  19:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Vchimpanzee, I started there but it led me to VP where I asked the question. As it is not resolved yet, it wouldn't hurt to ask there as well. Loopy30 (talk) 21:56, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

"Prostherapis" dunni
We do, I think, need a better way of handling "quoted" genera in automated taxoboxes. I think the way "Prostherapis" dunni set up now is the best that can be done at present. I don't think it's right to say that the genus is "incertae sedis", because by the logic of a binomial, the first word is the genus, however uncertain. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Compare with "Dryosaurus" grandis. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:32, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Peter, in this case though, I thought that the genus was incertae sedis and the quoted genus was just included as a placeholder to form a binomial until the taxonomic situation was resolved. In that way, the genus listing is Incertae sedis, as the species isn't currently placed in any genus at all, not Prostherapis, or even "Prostherapis". Also, having recently moved quite a few frog articles to pages with quotations around the genus name, I was looking to see how best to automate their taxoboxes. Speciesbox doesn't seem to work but Automatic taxobox does seem to come close. Is there a way that the taxobox script can abbreviate the genus name in the species entry line? For example, instead of repeating the full binomial on two succesive lines, render the output as "P." dunni? This would reduce redundancy while also maintain better consistency with other species articles across the TOL? Loopy30 (talk) 15:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is one of the items included under my comment we .. need a better way of handling "quoted" genera in automated taxoboxes. There's always a trade-off between handling more cases in automated taxoboxes and not making the code so complicated that it's hard to maintain. My initial thought is that the best approach might be to continue to use Automatic taxobox, but if the genus name has ".." around it, then leave out the genus line altogether, so for "Prostherapis" dunni, the taxobox would have:
 * Family: Aromobatidae
 * Species: "P." dunni
 * Binomial name
 * "Prostherapis" dunni
 * Leaving out the genus line can achieved at present by setting Aromobatidae in Template:Taxonomy/"Prostherapis" dunni, but the code that italicizes and abbreviates species names needs to be modified to handle the quote marks to produce "P." dunni.
 * What do you think? (I alerted to this thread, because he does a lot of work with taxoboxes.) Peter coxhead (talk) 17:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it will achieve the aim. However, I am also aware of the balance needed between code complexity and the limited number of users available over the long term to maintain it. Loopy30 (talk) 21:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It certainly bothers me that the only editors who currently appear to work on the underlying code for the automated taxobox system are me and . I have no desire to claim ownership! Peter coxhead (talk) 14:03, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I've updated the system so that it abbreviates a binomial like "Prostherapis" dunni to ''"P." dunni'' (ideally the double quote marks shouldn't be italicized, but I haven't fixed this yet). So there are now two ways of handling such a species, which I've described at Wikipedia talk:Automated taxobox system/Archive 3. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:06, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * As a temporary alternative to coding the italics you could use &ldquo;Prostherapis&rdquo;. The left and right double quotes seem immune to italicisation (unless very subtle). This is sometimes used in the literature, e.g. here.  Jts1882 &#124; talk 17:39, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * the MoS enthusiasts wouldn't like that solution! MOS:CURLY is very clear, although I don't find the rationale for it very convincing. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:35, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Crocodylus quotes
Is there a reason why "Crocodylus acer" has the entire binomial quoted while "Crocodylus" affinis has just the genus? And Crocodylus" megarhinus is missing a quote. Plantdrew (talk) 16:19, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Plantdrew, "Crocodylus acer" seems to have been an error on my part (corrected now, thanks for pointing it out), but Crocodylus" megarhinus seems to have been caused by a bot (EmausBot) as it was moved to correct a double redirect on 07 Nov. I will have to ask an admin or someone with file mover rights to fix that one. Loopy30 (talk) 16:55, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * "Crocodylus" megarhinus fixed. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:12, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Peter. Loopy30 (talk) 19:15, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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