User talk:Lorenab

Your submission at Articles for creation: Javier Martinez-Torron (April 14)
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McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 15:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, McMatter. Are you a human being or an algorithm? I ask this because I included quite a few reliable sources and external references in my submission. Nevertheless, I have included some more now, just in case. On the other hand, Javier Martinez-Torron is a renowned Spanish jurist, well-known in Europe and America (North America and Latin America). He has recently been elected president of ICLARS (International Consortium for Law and Religion Studies), which is the most important international institution gathering legal scholars from all over the world involved in the analysis of the interaction of law and freedom of religion or belief. I am surprised -- and honestly -- disappointed that you say that this person does not qualify for a Wikipedia article, when I found many articles in Wikipedia about less influential persons. That is why I began by asking if you are a human being... Thanks. Lorena
 * PS. I have added references as footnotes instead of links, I hope this time it works. Lorenab (talk) 17:04, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I am human and I don't read inline external links because they aren't supposed to be in the article and most often are spam or primary sources which are not worth anything to determine notability. The list of links at the end were also not up to our requirements for establishing notability as they were either connected to the subject or not a reliable source. The article needs to based off what others have written about the subject on their own accord and publish in reliable sources. If no one besides him or the people he works with have written and published things about him it may not be possible to make an article about him.  McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 18:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I have gone ahead and done some clean up I have removed all the inline external links per our policies, removed promotional links and information and anything that was an opinion. I would still decline this in its current state as it still does not demonstrate through independent sourcing that he is notable. He very well may be but we need to see through proper sourcing that others have taken time to write about him. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 18:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, McMatter, I am glad that you are human :-) and moreover kind. I actually appreciate your time and politeness in responding to my message yesterday. I have tried to follow your suggestions about reliable external sources, references, etc.
 * A few words about the notability issue you mention. I am not sure about your standards but if a person has a long-established academic career in law and religion issues, for almost forty years; if he is the president of the international institution of reference in this area of legal studies in the five continents (ICLARS); if he has been vice-president of that section of law in the likely main National Academy of Law in Spanish-speaking countries (the Real Academia de Jurisprudencia y Legislación de España); if he has been appointed an honorary member of the presumably second most important National Academy of Law in Latin-America (the Academia Nacional de Derecho y Ciencias Sociales of Cordoba, Argentina); if he is not only the co-founder and co-editor of the most read legal periodical on law and religion issues in Spanish (Revista General de Derecho Canónico y Derecho Eclesiástico del Estado) and has been invited to be a member of editorial or advisory boards of the main legal periodicals in the same legal area in English and Italian; if he has been for eight years a member of the independent expert advisory body on freedom of religion or belief in OSCE, and twelve years in the equivalent body in Spain; if he has contributed to change the approach of the Mexican National Commission on Human Rights on the sensitive issue of Jehovah's Witnesses's refusal to flag salute in public schools, thus making life easier for thousands of children in that country, etc. If after that you still think that this person is not a notable jurist, then I am afraid I find it difficult to share your criteria about notability. But, honestly, I find in Wikipedia many less influential persons -- and I am not saying they should not be in Wikipedia, I am just surprised about the standards you use.
 * In any event, thanks again for your time and deference. Any help will be welcome. Lorenab (talk) 17:17, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Javier Martinez-Torron (September 3)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Edward-Woodrow were:

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Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:07, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 14:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)