User talk:Lori Escalera

Oh my gosh, I don't have a clue if I am getting this in the correct area! Dori, wrote me and I wanted to reply. If I got this in the correct place, I am not sure I can do it twice. I am responding to my posts of Tracy Lee Stum and myself on the Street Painting page under notable artists. We are both significant world known and established artists in the area of Street Painting and have done it for many more years than Julian or Melanie. The old version of the street painting page was good and our cohorts monitored and self corrected the notable artists (or external links area) and we were all considerate (for the most part). I don't understand why the two additions won't be permitted. Who can add them if we can't. I'm certainly published in enough Newspapers around the U.S. and China. And, there are a few more artosts (as was attributed in the former article.) Notable artist: Melanie Stimmell Van Latum would certainly concur with Tracy and myself being listed. Can you help? thanks , Lori also, my email address is design.etc@cox.net, and if it is permissible to email me directly, I maybe could understand quicker. (It took me a while to figure even this out! ;-) Thanks! Lori Escalera (talk) 00:34, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" is strongly discouraged. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Kingturtle (talk) 01:37, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia. While objective prose about products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 01:38, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Dori - a response to your post to me
Hi Dori, I posted the message below in the wrong area I think. I don't know why I didn't see this area before, but I will try this again:

"Oh my gosh, I don't have a clue if I am getting this in the correct area! Dori, wrote me and I wanted to reply. If I got this in the correct place, I am not sure I can do it twice.

I am responding to my posts of Tracy Lee Stum and myself on the Street Painting page under "Notable Artists." We are both significant world known and established artists in the area of Street Painting and have done it for many more years than Julian or Melanie. The old version of the street painting page was good and our cohorts monitored and self corrected the notable artists (or external links area) and we were all considerate (for the most part). I don't understand why the two additions won't be permitted. Who can add them if we can't. I'm certainly published in enough Newspapers around the U.S. and China. And, there are a few more artosts (as was attributed in the former article.) Notable artist: Melanie Stimmell Van Latum would certainly concur with Tracy and myself being listed. Can you help? thanks, Lori also, my email address is design.etc@cox.net, and if it is permissible to email me directly, I maybe could understand quicker. (It took me a while to figure even this out! ;-) Thanks! Lori Escalera (talk) 00:34, 25 September 2009 (UTC)"

thank you for any enlightenment you can offer. I have people contacting me telling me that I've been removed off the page. So, I guess others do think I am notable. (I.E. Tectum Publishing) kind regards, Lori Lori Escalera (talk) 01:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Lori, I understand that you're new here, and at least part of the issue is that what you're trying to do falls under several different categories of what Wikipedia is not:
 * Wikipedia is not a directory.
 * Source list says "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space."
 * Which then leads to Reliable sources—while it may seem to you that your Web site is a reliable source for information about you, by Wikipedia's standards, it's not.
 * The difference between the links to you and your friend (which have now been removed multiple times) and the links to the artists currently in the article is straightforward: they have articles about them, and you don't. However, the answer to that is not to write an autobiography.
 * That leads us to WP's Conflict of interest policies, which seem to apply here. I strongly recommend that you read Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest.
 * I think it would also be useful for you to read WP:PROMO.
 * If after reading all that you still have questions, just ask! Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 04:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Dori, thank you for all of this helpful information. Intuitively, i understand what you are suggesting, and i will follow up after high season in Street Painting. Thank you for all the info you've provided. Thank you for your patience. Lori Lori Escalera (talk) 15:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Street Painting
Thank you for your message. The usual criteria for appearance in a list such as this is that the artist has an article themselves on Wikipedia. This means they have demonstrated notability. So your best course of action would be to get what you have as a user page established as an article. Three things about this though;
 * Autobiographies are generally discouraged. If you wrote this yourself you need to take great care in presenting it neutrally and avoiding any suggestion of self-publicity.  It would be far better if someone else wrote it.
 * If you want your article to remain you need to establish notability (click on the link to read more on this). That usually means citing from reliable third party sources.  Things like newspapers, magazines, known art critics etc.  This way readers can verify (a very important part of any encyclopaedia) that what is being said is accurate and true.
 * Your user page has a few external links, but they appear to be mostly to sources that don't actually mention 'Lori Escalera' by name, or are primary sources (i.e. your own website). That makes their relevance and notability hard to verify.  Please also note that links to Wikipedia itself cannot be used to cite other contents of Wikipedia.

But if you can address these things, and have an Lori Escalera created, there is no reason why the Street painting cannot link to it. Hope this helps. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:56, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply. It is true that the Michael Kirby (artist) has significant problems, and isn't an example to follow.  But if you read it you see that it includes a reference to him by the The LA Times (although it needs citing).  It also includes claims to significant clients and TV appearances.  These are all what you'd call credible claims to notability which has saved it from immediate deletion.  However, if anyone was to challenge the claims, or demonstrate them to be inflated or false, the article may still end up being deleted.   But these are all problems for that article, and just because it is an article with problems does not mean that other articles are permitted to be equally poor.
 * The principle still remains, if you can make credible claims to notability, and just as importantly back them up with good cites, then you have a every chance of being able to create and keep an article. Worrying about other articles will not help you either way.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 20:45, 15 December 2010 (UTC)