User talk:Lorspi

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Donald Vance
It would be useful if you could provide a reliable source (see WP:RS) which would support your edits to Donald Vance. -- Kendrick7talk 21:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, you're back! What are you using as the source of your changes? -- Kendrick7talk 12:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I worked the case. Didn't Donald tell you about the scam he ran?


 * Well, then you need to do a few interviews so your side of the case can be published by a reliable source. I'll poke around google news and see if anything new has come up though. -- Kendrick7talk 12:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

You do an interview with the NYT and cite that as a source? Got to love it! Vance was a criminal case for the FBI, not an informant. The government of Iraq can buy its weapons from any source it choses. It is not a criminal act for a ministry to buy weapons for its empoyees. The Ministry of the Interior - let's see, policemen, border guards, security....I cannot imagine what legitimate reason the Minitry of Interior would want weapons! That is not why your client went to the FBI - in the US btw the way not in Baghdad. Instead of notifying local authorities, he ran one scam after another - trying to collect award money, then ransom, now a law suit. He could have left his mercenary buddies at any point - yes that's exactly what they. Foreign mercenaries without connection to either the Iraqi government or Coalition Forces offering to kill for a price. Not only did Vance not leave Trimpert and Ekert, he lived with them in that apartment in the Red Zone (I provided the address for you. Not factual enough?) illegally acquiring weapons banned from civilian use under Iraqi law. In addition, none of them had even bothered to acquire the gun license necessary to hold the legal weapons they had. Criminals under Iraqi law, foreign fighters to boot, and THAT would have been a sentence up to 20 years for the lot of them had their case been moved to the Central Criminal Court of Iraq. Now unemployed and unemployable Trimpert is running yet another scam trying to make easy money. Did he tell you that Ekert suggested the "smuggled bible" touch?


 * Look, there may be some confusion; I'm not Mr. Vance's lawyer and I've never met the man. Wikipedia's policy isn't truth, it's verifiability (see WP:V). You need to be able to back up your edits with a reliable source. If what you are saying is true, it will all come out in the trial so it will get reported eventually. So there's no real hurry. -- Kendrick7talk 06:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess third year law students aren't properly lawyers - just students. The NY Times article - like other "articles" about security detainees - are nothing more than lawyer screeches designed to create a sympathetic hearing for some very bad guys - guys involved in the slaughter of Iraqi civilians. The clear sign - "no criminal charges were brought". Let me assure you that I wanted criminal charges to be brought against Vance and Trimpert in the Iraqi legal system. Under those charges, your Donald would be cooling his heels in Baddush prison for 20 years. Iraqis openly despised the foreign scum that finds its way in through the borders illegally. It was only the active work of DoD and DoS officials to keep him and his cohorts out of Iraqi prison and get them out of the country that saved his blond rear end from experiencing a true Iraqi prison experience. Now he is running another scam - the "smuggled it out in a bible" con. That man left Iraq with a duffle bag full of crap - and apparently he stole a bible while at it.

BTW - I saw the interrogatories. Getting up at 0430 is not torture but a way of life when temperature reach 120 degrees mid day. Donald Vance - still unemployed btw? - couldn't handle the simple routine that was set up to accommodate the Iraqi way of life. He was treated no differently than other detainees with the exception of his food. I noticed his complaint about the food disappeared quickly enough. He ate the same food that the CFs did. As to the mattress (not "thick" enough), the Iraqi detainees set the American mattresses on fire - they prefer the thin ones because they are cooler. Another spoiled American criminal whining about the ways of the locals. He did not stay in the US because he and his buddies are the classic losers. He failed in the Navy (oh yes - the "veteran" claim. He couldn't hack the miltary either.  Perhaps somethng about getting up in the morning...) and he thought he could be a mercenary. Since he actively engaged in the trade of illegal weapons (again flaunting Iraqi law), why the surprise when he was picked up for that very act? He claims he was an informant? He went to the FBI office in Chicago to complain that a sovereign government was buying weapons on its own soil. What on earth did the Chicago FBI have to do with activities ongoing by a sovereign nation on its own soil with nonAmerican arms dealers? When he and his buddies did make contact with US officials in Baghdad, it was to claim that they had been kidnapped. By themselves as it turned out.

So - you just decided to spread the gospel of Donald Vance because - what, you cared?

--Lorspi 13:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Debra Nagel is that you ?

I've been working on this story for quite awhile, I've recently received some FOIA documents from the DoD. A lot of Mr. Vance's claims are in fact documented. I also picked up the emails and documents that were turned over to Senator Byron Dorgan office after Mr. Vance's senate hearings. I'd like to add that these documents are public and are availible at 226 Dirksen Senate Federal Office Building.

The documents state that there was in fact a large cache of weapons on SGS's compound, the documents state that the weapons were found in the basement of SGS's C.E.O home. Yet, he was not arrested, strangely! The emails are extremely interesting, they document Mr. Vance's approach to the FBI and beyond.

I would like to ask Lorspi some questions, if can help me understand a few things, you seem to understand this entire incident better than anyone.

There are many mystery's surrounding this whole case. Why are the Iraqi's acquiring weapons from alternate sources? The FBI has investigated the recent BlackWater murders in Iraq, and those contractors were never arrested or imprisoned? Yet, Mr. Vance was arrested for whistleblowing on illegal weapons dealing? Why would the South Korean Govt buy weapons from SGS? Why would Dyncorp purchase weapons from SGS? Mr. Vance contacted the State Dept in Baghdad via email and did in fact have several meetings with some personnel (their names are Redacted in the FOIA doc's) and the State Dept personnel wanted Mr. Vance to continue forwarding information. Lorspi, you hinted to a ransom, can you explain?

--WriteisRight (talk) 22:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)