User talk:Lou Sander/Archive 6

Pittsburgh WP10 party
Hey! This is just a friendly reminder about the Wikipedia 10th anniversary celebration in Pittsburgh tomorrow. The meeting time has been moved up to 4:00 so that we can gather before the game starts and stake out places, and it may be a good idea to get there even sooner, if you can. Pittsburgh bars are likely to be a little crazy and very crowded. See you there!--ragesoss (talk) 02:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Analytic Hierarchy Process
No worries, sounds like a very sensible plan to me. I don't have any problem with it myself – I just didn't want you having to face WP:AFD before over-zealous deletionists. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 13:32, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Caterpillar Club
I added the info about prior bailouts because the article left the false impression that lives were not saved by parachutes until after World War I, and that Irvin invented the parachute. The Caterpillar Club article, as it stands, is both incorrect and poorly referenced; indeed, the second cite given is nothing but an online advertisement. Also, most of the article is unreferenced, and muddy in meaning. The couple of examples given of successful ejections seem to serve no purpose, and have no source. Now that you have called my attention to it, I do regret adding to the article. I should have recommended it for deletion or for a merge with the parachute article.

Georgejdorner (talk) 17:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I see no reason to revert my edit, for the reasons given above. If anything, the article should be merged with the parachute article. This would result in the deletion of an ill-written, ambiguous and inaccurate article without a single reliable source. It would also remove the puffery concerning the Irvin Company.

Ignoring the German parachute pioneers of World War I also smacks of violation of NPOV.

In short, I find the present article eminently dispensable. The fact that there is a Caterpillar Club could make up a paragraph in the "parachute" article.

Georgejdorner (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Jane Kirby
Glad to help; New Page Patrolling isn't all about tagging everything for deletion, and if something is notable I can usually find a reference or two. I just took a look over your work on Ice Capades, and I'm impressed. Keep it up!! The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 19:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm American, but after the 2002 Olympics I became intrigued by skating, so I've read about and watched a lot of it. The Canadians are better than us Americans, so they're more interesting to watch; you're not too far off.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 23:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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Caterpillar Club
You are in Edit history as an editor on this article. It has been multiply tagged for improvement as an alternative to being recommended for deletion. This is a request for editorial intervention to improve this article. Please help if possible.

Georgejdorner (talk) 17:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Reading your userpage makes me feel like I have achieved nothing in my life. I am 26 so I guess I have time to change that, but thus far all I have done is gone to College, gotten my BS and MS, and then spent the last couple of years scratching around trying to make ends meat in various jobs. Hopefully by the end of my days I will have lead as rich a life as you appear to have done, although based on my current track record, that would seem unlikely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.94.143 (talk) 05:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, don't worry -- you have lots of time, and you're ahead of lots of your contemporaries. Send me an email if you'd like. (I THINK you can do it through Wikipedia.) --Lou Sander (talk) 13:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Chairman
No probs. I've also found, though, that an executive chairman does not always explicitly have the title of "executive chairman", they could simply go by chairman, which is rather strange.-- Tærkast  ( Communicate ) 16:53, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


 * There doesn't seem to be much information on the relationship between an executive chairman and a CEO. Nor does there seem to be a clear role on the part of the executive chairman. The current chairman page mentions only the role of a non-executive chairman. If both an executive chairmanship and a CEO exist in a company, who is the highest executive officeholder? The current chief executive officer page doesn't really take this into consideration. Corporate governance guidelines also don't make mention of an "executive chairman" and a CEO, when separating the offices.-- Tærkast (Discuss) 19:07, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - LKA-107
Lou, thanks for your work on the Vermillion. I got the ship's hat recently. My brother served on the ship for a year or so until he had to be medivac'd off and up to Bethesda, for what turned out to be a terminal illness at age 25 in 1970. I enjoyed reading about your life's journey and your many contributions. And I also appreciate and will share your comments about "what I ignore." My work here has been almost exclusively devoted to the U.S. presidents, which really draw a cross section of editors. What an experience and education that has been! I am making my contributions as I work through my project of reading a biography of every president. I have 23 down so I'm certainly on my way! You will appreciate the only article I have initiated here, about a close relative - J. Hartwell Harrison. Thanks again for what you have shared and smooth sailing to you! Carmarg4 (talk) 13:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I have another brother, your age I believe (71?), who was on the USS El Paso (LKA 117). I'll never forget one Christmas we were all together – in Norfolk when the two brothers were in the Navy. The one on the El Paso was a doctor in the sick bay and the one on the Vermillion was a Radarman. The doctor went on and on about his time on board - not a word from the other brother; but after a while the other one said, "You don't know a damn thing about the Navy! You come down below deck with me for a week, and I'll show you what the hell the Navy's really all about, Doc!" Just hilarious
 * The Dr. Harrison I referred you to was one of a number in my family. I was the first to break bad and become a lawyer. That doctor was also captain of his basketball team at UVA (I saw you played a little at Duke.) I once heard it said he fouled out of every game he played in.
 * Lavar has always been one of my favorite people. I know your town is proud of that guy!
 * I appreciate your reference to Choiniere and Keirsey. I do recognize the names from at least one or two of the bibliographies I've worked on. I recently was reviewing Donald's work on Lincoln, and he borrowed a personality/leadership concept which the poet John Keats developed – negative capability – and which you will have already come across I bet. Cheers. Carmarg4 (talk) 20:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Wiknic
It was nice meeting you as well! Great advice on the iPad, and your personal anecdotes on wikipedia social messages. :D Jipinghe (talk) 16:01, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Ćwikła
Are your beets similar to this? I also mentioned twaróg. AFAIK, Polish cuisine was not affected (unlike British), even through you are right, food availability was also limited. I am just guessing, but maybe it was because there was no government official recipes and intervention into the food, and everybody was left to their own devices where cooking was concerned? PS. But if you find an article on Polish cuisine during WWII, send it my way :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 17:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, that actually is mostly correct, but it discusses the post-WWII changes wrought by the communism regime, not whatever changes happened during WWII. Unless I am missing something... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 18:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Pittsburgh
--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 20:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Wiknic
Hi Lou! Yes I am. I'm still pretty new to Wikipedia. Is it generally preferred for me to reply to you on my talk page or on yours? Amy Z 18:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amyxz (talk • contribs)


 * There are different schools of thought on that. One school says that if I initiate a conversation by posting something on your talk page, you should respond to it right there. I can respond to your response in the same place. This scheme has the advantage of keeping all parts of the conversation together in one place. There's a disadvantage that, unless I pay careful attention to my watchlist, I might miss something that you post. (I don't normally look at your talk page unless we are engaged in a conversation, and even then, it's doubtful. If I have my settings right, your talk page will automatically be added to my watchlist the first time I post something there. None of that guarantees I'll see what you post on your talk page.)


 * Another school says that if I post something on your talk page, you should respond on mine. The advantage there is that I get a notice when somebody posts something on my talk page. Therefore I'm not likely to miss anything you say. The big disadvantage is that the conversation appears in two different places, so there's no easy way to review it. Also, some very busy or prolific people aren't interested in bouncing over to other people's talk pages. If you don't post it on theirs, they might not ever read it. Lou Sander (talk) 20:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Or use  Jeepday (talk) 00:07, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Jayapura/Hollandia
Thanks! :) Yeah colonialism reeked havoc on names in that part of the world. --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 03:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Experiment
Hey Lou!

We are almost ready to start our experiment (the one I mentioned at the Wiknic). However, we are looking for feedback from experienced users first.

Our experimental conditions are messages with positive feedback, negative feedback, directive messages, and sociable messages. The experimental design is factorial (whether one condition is included doesn't affect whether the other conditions are, so none, some, or all of the condtitions can be included). Our main problem is that messages seem to be skewed toward new users, and too close to templates.

We would really appreciate it if you could a moment to look at some example messages that we have and give us feedback on how to improve them.

Thanks!

Amy Z 20:31, 28 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amyxz (talk • contribs)

Brugmansia suaveolens
Hi Lou, how are you? I've been working on a rewrite for the Brugmansia suaveolens article here at User:Tom Hulse/Brugmansia suaveolens draft. It's less than half done, and I didn't want to put it in regular namespace until I get enough warnings in there about toxicity (the least fun part for me). Since you have edited a lot on these articles before, I wanted to invite you to critique as I go on this one, and please do feel free to edit away on that page if you like. Thanks! --Tom Hulse (talk) 22:22, 2 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Tom - I don't know the best way to carry on a conversation like this. For now, I'll just post to my own talk page and hope it comes up on your watchlist. Once again, I'm not an expert on Datura or Brugmansia. All I know is what I've researched about Daturas for Wikipedia articles, prompted by the fact that some of them grow wild in my wife's garden. They are kind of invasive, and NOT easy to kill. My wife doesn't particularly like them, but people who see them generally love the flowers.


 * I keep a watchful eye on the main Datura article and on those for each of the species. Surprisingly to me, quite a few people edit them. A lot of those folks seem to be recreational drug people. The casual editors like to make changes to the descriptions of the plants. The changes are all over the place, and I try to keep them accurate by taking the main description from one of the basic Datura books, strongly referencing it, and reverting anything that seems inaccurate, etc. unless it is, itself, referenced (it hardly ever is). If I were you, I'd do the same with your Brugmansia article(s). There's also a lot of questionable editing of common names for the Daturas. I try to keep it sane by providing references and demanding the same from others.


 * Toxicity comes up often, too. I try to put a large, well-referenced section in the main Datura article, then excerpt from it for the various species articles. That's it for now. Lou Sander (talk) 00:45, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Lou, for some reason my faulty memory was telling me it was Brugs, not Daturas that you had been editing. I appreciate your editing not so much for extensive expertise as your sticking to the references, which helps weed out a lot of nonsense that comes up on these articles. Cheers! Tom Hulse (talk) 17:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Moncton article
Greetings Lou

My moniker is MonctonRad. I have been a Wikipedia editor for about five years and am one of the major contributors to the Moncton article.

There have been major recent changes to the Moncton article which have significantly altered the appearance and feel of the item. Some important information had in fact been removed. The Moncton article had previously been stable for the better part of two years, was factual and has been previously resourced by people in the local media, indicating that it is considered a trusted reference.

The recent revisions have been unhelpful, incomplete and badly formatted. The new editor doesn't understand the conventions and rules used in Wikipedia. I simply reverted the article back to a former version from late October from a point prior to when these revisions occurred.

I don't mind minor edits to the content of the article (as long as they are accurate), but the current state of the article was such that I thought major corrective actions were necessary. I have also contacted one of the other principle contributors for the Moncton article (StuPendousmat) to help police the situation and to ensure that the Moncton article remains stable.

If you have any additional concerns, you can PM me.

Cheers:

MonctonRad


 * MonctonRad - It sounds like you have justifications for making the changes you made. I'm thinking it's best to give the rest of us some idea about what you are up to. Probably the article's talk page is the best place to do that. I respect the work you have apparently previously done on the article. Nevertheless, WP:OWN applies. Lou Sander (talk) 19:02, 25 December 2011 (UTC)