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Battle of Mu'tah
Wiqi55 has again, tried to write his personal opinion into the article.


 * "However, Montgomery Watt notes that al-Waqidi also recorded an account where the Byzantine army fled." --W, Montgomery Watt (1956). Muhammad at Medina. Oxford University Press. pp. 54–55, 342.

Al-Waqidi makes no mention of a Byzantine retreat on pages 54-55 or on page 342. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Category:Safavid governors of Akhaltsikhe has been nominated for deletion
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Category:Safavid governors of Bandar Abbas has been nominated for merging
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FYI
Not that I am surprised or anything. See here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:36, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Diauehi
With all due respect, I failed to see citations or footnotes in most of the parts in the article, so I don't understand why is there such a big a deal regarding the part about Diauehi specifically. Especially since foreign scholars largely agree that it was a Kartvelian polity, save for Diakonoff and his school. Also, I dont really understand the reasoning behind such a crass and aggressive language, which you have used. --Meskhetiandude (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi :
 * "I failed to see citations or footnotes in most of the parts in the article, so I don't understand why is there such a big a deal regarding the part about Diauehi specifically."
 * As unfortunate as it might be, just because the rest of the article is in an atrocious state, it doesn't give me nor you a free pass to add more unsourced information. Adding unsourced WP:OR still constitutes a violation of WP:TENDENTIOUS.
 * "Especially since foreign scholars largely agree that it was a Kartvelian polity, save for Diakonoff and his school."
 * Then it shouldn't be too hard to quote one accredited Western acadamemic who refers to the Diauehi as a "Kartvelian polity". The historian Ronald Grigor Suny refers to the Diauhi as an "important tribal formation of possible proto-Georgians" (Suny, Ronald Grigor (1994). The Making of the Georgian Nation. Indiana University Press. p. 6). That's very far from being a "Kartvelian polity", and even more so a predecessor of whatever sort of the state of Caucasian Georgia.
 * In short; you need a proper source that shows that the Diauehi were a predecessor state/polity of Georgia. I might add that there's been a lot of POV-pushing at the Diauehi page during the past few years, so I would suggest improving that article first before resorting to other pages.
 * Thanks, - LouisAragon (talk) 16:17, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your quick response. I shall take your notes and advices into consideration then.
 * Respectfully, Meskhetiandude (talk) 16:26, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

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Read through...
Can you read through this and see what you think? --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:39, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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ds notices
Hey LouisAragon, hope you're good. I noticed that you're adding DS notices to a bunch of articles, but I think an admin should add for it to have an effect. At least according to El C. Apologies if I'm wrong, just wanted to notify. Cheers, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 15:54, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Zani, I'm well, thanks, hope you too. As far as I know, every "experienced" editor is allowed to add such kind of general DS notifications. An admin however is required when the additional 1RR revert restriction is warranted. In short, when "Ds/talk notice|topic=aa2" is changed into "Ds/talk notice|topic=aa2|restriction=1RR" an admin is needed, otherwise not. El C may obviously correct me if mistaken. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:02, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

New Changes
Hello, I have made hundreds of changes to the \"Wars involving Iran\" page, added dozens of unlisted wars, and added flags and much more And I feel that most of the changes I made were good

Ok, from now on I will write an explanation for the changes. Regarding the map of the Achaemenid Empire, I must say that I think the map I put is much clearer and better, and if it is on the page, it is easy to compare it with the world map today. but no problem, thank you Exiledist (talk) 00:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

a favour
hey Louis, can you do me a favour and add this portrait to Wikimedia.Amir Ghandi (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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Gugark
Hello, I've come to your talk page to try reaching the consensus with the topic regarding Gugark.

I had claims such as: '''From the beginning of the history, area in and around Gugark was often corresponded to Georgia. Throughout the history, there's been many cases where the land of Gugark, (what's now most of northern Armenia, Lori.) was frequently called "Vrats dasht" which basically means "Field of Georgians".[4] Up until the beginning of the 7th Century, the major culture in the region was Georgian. But, during the souring of relations with the Armenian Church, Sassanid Empire forced all of its formal vassals to adopt the 'Armenian faith', the Miaphysite form of Christianity practised in Armenia which, eventually resulted in assimilation of the Georgians who lived in Gugark, due to being split from their diaphysite church.'''

and it has an OXFORD source on it. (The Oxford dictionary of late antiquity, p 14.) I also used to have an addition of the text about how Armenia conquered surrounding territories during the times of Artaxiad I and Zariades which was a source from the ancient historian STRABO. (source being called: STRABO GEOGRAPHY Book XI, Chapter 14, p325.

So I kindly ask you to undo your revert, Best regards. SonofJacob (talk) 18:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Kurdish Separtism in Iran
Hello, I'm here to report disruptive editing in Kurdish separatism in Iran. The user Special:Contributions/12.37.123.234 had made the article biased, which violates wiki policy on neutrality. I ask you to revert the edit to previous date, June 29 2021 when you edited it and if you could get someone to block that IP address if they cause any further disruptions that is all (I fear this might be an act of a Kudish nationalist stemming from the comment "Kurdistani history (the right way)"). 108.24.161.233 (talk) 5:53 PM, September 16 2021

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Your recent edits
Please see WP:OUTING and in the future refrain from linking a user to off-wiki content unless they have previously declared such a connection. Primefac (talk) 19:27, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I see. I did not know that it fell under WP:OUTING. Thanks for removing. However, I believe that there's certainly WP:COI, and given said editors previous problematic engagement within WP:AA2, I believe admins should be made aware of this before any possible unblock. Is there any admin I could email the information to? - LouisAragon (talk) 20:04, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If there are concerns about off-wiki conduct inappropriately affecting an editor's ability to be productive on Wikipedia, then you should email the Arbitration Committee with your concerns.
 * For the record, simply stating that you have seen problematic content is not the same as linking to it, so while "I saw User:A posting at  saying XYZ" is outing, stating "I have seen comments potentially made by them off-wiki" is not (provided you do not give their off-wiki username or enough information to actually find that information). When in doubt it is best to contact ArbCom before proceeding. Primefac (talk) 20:15, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the elaborate response, will do. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:38, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Here is something interesting

 * "Their image has survived because the armies were recorded by Greek historians and because both the Persian Empire and its armies were indeed large, although the size of the armies was wildly exaggerated in the Greek sources." --War in Human Civilization, Azar Gat, Oxford University Press, page 368. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:34, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Opinion request
Hi there, would you mind giving your opinion regarding this dispute? Thanks in advance. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:20, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Requesting some article expansion help
Greetings,

Hi, this time I am bit afraid while posting again one more request on your talk page; It seems quite likely some of the encyclopedic areas we work on are overlapping. This time reaching you taking in to account your contribution in the article Circassians. I hope and request you would not mind reaching out to you again. Requesting you to visit Draft:Circassian women and help expand the same if topic interests you..

Thanks and warm regards

&#32;Bookku, &#39;Encyclopedias &#61; expanding information &#38; knowledge&#39; (talk) 12:19, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

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Mount Nemrut
I have joined the discussion if you wish to be included. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:07, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

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Iran Under the Safavids
hey Louis, sorry to bother. recently i start working on the article Tahmasp I and i'm in need of the book Iran Under the Safavids, but it seems i can not find it. do you by any chance have the book? thanks.Amir Ghandi (talk) 11:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Excuse me for my belated response. Unfortuntely, I don't have it at my disposal. Our colleagues at WP:REX might be able to help you out. They don't send entire books, but they can send specific chapters and pages. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually posted a request there, but it seems even they can not find it. assuming i won't got it, do you suggest any other book that could be useful? Amir Ghandi (talk) 16:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Matthee, Rudi (2012). Persia in Crisis: Safavid Decline and the Fall of Isfahan. London: I.B.Tauris. pp. 1–371. ISBN 978-1-84511-745-0.
 * Matthee, Rudi; Floor, Willem; Clawson, Patrick (2013). The Monetary History of Iran: From the Safavids to the Qajars. London; New York: I.B.Tauris. pp. 1–320. ISBN 978-0857721723.
 * Matthee, Rudi, ed. (2021). The Safavid World. I.B. Tauris
 * Floor, Willem (2001). Safavid Government Institutions. Costa Mesa, California: Mazda Publishers. pp. 1–311. ISBN 978-1568591353.
 * Willem Floor, Edmund Herzig, eds. (2012) Iran and the World in the Safavid Age. I.B. Tauris
 * Colin P. Mitchell. (2009). The Practice of Politics in Safavid Iran. Power, Religion and Rhetoric. London/New York, I.B. Tauris, x-292 p
 * Colin P. Mitchel, ed. (2011) New Perspectives on Safavid Iran: Empire and Society. Routledge.
 * Charles Melville, ed (2021). Safavid Persia in the Age of Empires: The Idea of Iran Vol. 10. I.B. Tauris.
 * David Blow (2009). Shah Abbas: The Ruthless King Who Became an Iranian Legend. I.B. Tauris.
 * David Blow (2009). Shah Abbas: The Ruthless King Who Became an Iranian Legend. I.B. Tauris.


 * Interest in Iranian history has been booming within the last 15-so years, so there are a lot of good books out there. Hope this helps. You also might wanna check the database of these peer-reviewed journals (they also contain good stuff on all time periods).-- - LouisAragon (talk) 17:40, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Amir Ghandi (talk) 17:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Manual revert @ Kurdish Christians
Hello, I see you manually reverted one of my edits. Please see Spread of Islam among Kurds, specifically the section regarding the reign of Umar ibn Al-Khattab. Also Spread of Islam matches. Both articles talk about significant spread around 6xx to 6xx CE which are sourced. --TataofTata (talk) 20:09, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you read my edit summary?
 * You added:
 * "...due to the spread of Islam  in the 6th  and 7th century were converted"


 * The religion of Islam didn't exist yet in the 6th century. How could a people have converted to something that didn't exist yet? "6xx to 6xx CE" equals 7th century in the English language, not 6th.
 * And while we're at it; per WP:CITE, you didn't cite a page number for the Hugh Kennedy source. Lastly, the two Turkish-language sources you added don't seem WP:RS. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:19, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that makes sense now. I made an error with understanding the centuries to be honest. I knew I made a mistake somewhere so I came to ask, not argue, chill a little please.. As for the sources, regarding the page number for Hugh Kennedy source, that is citing the spread of Islam among Kurds, section 'The Kurds' (214) and also p182. As for the Turkish sources I could not verify as of yet so I left them to also collaborate more but I guess it can be removed, I just did not want to remove at that moment to later include Umar ibn Al-Khattab's reign and narrow down the years. --TataofTata (talk) 21:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you!!
Just wanted to drop a note thanking you for making Ibn Muhriz! I searched up his name not expecting to find an article existing, and it was a pleasant surprise to see a fully referenced and well-written entry for him. Best – Aza24 (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Azar Bigdeli
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Regarding your revert on my change on the gutian people.
You ask for a sentence in the source but the source is a two pages discussion on gutians and indo european. The current sentences are not supported at all. Actually if the text should be according to the source it should be more like: There is no consensus regarding the relation of the gutian language to tocharian or other indoeuropean languages. and then the reference to the source.

The same error is in the gutian rule text which looks copied.

I hope you correct this paragraph in the two texts. Thank you. 176.10.152.4 (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Orontid dynasty
If one is added, another one will be added. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * And;


 * "One important result of this territorial growth was the cultural and linguistic consolidation of the Armienian people. Except for the Georgian marchlands, and for a few remote tribal districts such as Sassoun, Armenian became the dominant spoken language  of the peasant, masses, the hunters and tribesmen, and the townspeople except for those of Jewish and Greek birth. The Greek geographer Strabo (58 BC - AD 25) lays special stress on this result of the conquests of Artaxias and Zariadris. - Thanks to their work of unification, he says, "all the inhabitants of these various districts today speak the same language." It must be remembered, however, that, prior to the invention of the Armenian national alphabet after AD400, all works of literature, religious texts and government decrees were written down and transmitted in Iranian written in Aramaic characters, or else in Greek." --David Lang, Cradle of Civilization, page 126.
 * Thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

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Barbad question
LouisAragon, I don't think we've had the pleasure, but I've been familiar with your admirable work on Western Asia for some time now. A few months ago I rewrote the article on Barbad, an important Sasanian musician. It has been sitting in the GA queue for over a month now; though I am perfectly fine with waiting, I wanted to inquire as if you might have any interest in reviewing it? As far as I know, music is not your wheelhouse here, but I can assure you that the information of Barbad's actual music is very limited, and most of what is available are tales from Persian literature. I had a lot of trouble dealing with some extreme contradiction and lack of uniformity in various sources, so I would think someone familiar with the region could help out the most. Best – Aza24 (talk) 22:08, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey Azar24 and thank you for your message. Indeed, I don't think we've had the pleasure, but you are very constructive editor youself based on what I have seen so better late than never :-) Once again, hello! As for your Barbad article, unfortunately, I haven't really done any full GA reviews by myself, so I'd rather skip if you don't mind. I received similar requests in the past which I also declined, as I find myself to be lacking the experience in order to give a proper review -- one which your article definitely deserves. Perhaps one of these two gentlemen could help you out? They are well versed on the region's history, and are very much experienced in terms of doing GA reviews. They too helped me out in the past when two of my GA's were sitting around for a long time. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries! Thanks your honesty and kind response. I will plan to reach out to one of the two people you recommended, thanks again! Aza24 (talk) 19:51, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Reverting Ali Javan
Hi. You reverted my changes to the article of "Ali Javan" and called it "irredentist pushing". I don't think a reasonable person would characterize what I did as irredentist (I don't hold irredentist views), so I believe you have not had a careful consideration of the edit. Here's what you undo erased:


 * 1) You have reverted the first sentence of the article "Ali Javan was an Azerbaijani-American physicist and inventor from Iran." back to "Ali Javan Iranian-American physicist and inventor.".
 * 2) You have reverted the nationality section "Iran, United States" back to "Iranian"
 * 3) You have reverted the spelling of his name in Azerbaijani to a spelling of his name in Persian.

Right now, Azerbaijani-Americans are defined by Wikipedia to be "Americans of the Azerbaijani ancestry from the Republic of Azerbaijan and Iranian Azerbaijan or people possessing Azerbaijani, Iranian, and/or American citizenship", whereas Iranian-Americans are defined as "U.S. citizens who are of Iranian ancestry or who hold Iranian citizenship.". Clearly, the sources in page about Ali Javan show that he indeed had Azerbaijani ancestry, so it's true that he was an Azerbaijani-American. "Iranian ancestry" forward to the article "Iranian peoples", but Azerbaijanis don't fall into that category because the Wikipedia defines "Iranian peoples" as "a diverse Indo-European ethno-linguistic group identified by their use of the Iranian languages and other cultural similarities", and Azerbaijanis do not use an Iranian language. Hence he wasn't an Iranian-American by that definition. When it comes to the second part, note that the word used is "hold" and not "held [at some point in time]". If Ali Javan kept his Iranian citizenship then he could be considered both an an Azerbaijani-American and an Iranian-American, but I don't have any sources to confirm this. In absence of such sources, it's only possible to definitively declare that he was an Azerbaijani-American. But I didn't want to erase his Iranian origin, that's why I added "from Iran" to the first sentence and "Iranian" to nationality (most probably he was an Iranian citizen at some point in time by virtue of being born there). I believe this gives a better understanding to what ethnicity, mother tongue and nationality Ali Javan had. Your reversal erased the information about his ethnicity being Azerbaijani, his mother tongue being Azerbaijani and that he was a US citizen. I politely ask you to explain your reasoning of reverting my edit, and how it is irredentist, because surely if it's not a careless mistake, it sure looks like an attempt to erase the ethnic background of a non-Iranian person from Iran.

[|Reverted edit]

BakhtiyarNeyman (talk) 09:22, 7 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for your comment BakhtiyarNeyman. Please read WP:OR and WP:VER. Wikipedia is written using reliable sources, not based on his/her's own personal synthesis, nor the content of other Wikipedia pages (WP:CIRCULAR). The long-standing, sourced revision which I restored, was discussed earlier and is archived in this talk page section Javan, although born to Iranian-Azerbaijani parents in Iran, considered himself only Iranian/Iranian-American. Not Azerbaijani, nor Azerbaijani-American. There is not even a single reference that shows he could speak Azeri himself. In addition, you removed the Persian spelling (Iran's sole official language), and swapped it with the Azerbaijani spelling in the Latin Azerbaijani script, which is only officially used in the Azerbaijan Republic. In Wikipedia's books, summing these points up, one gets presented with the concept of irredentist POV pushing which itself falls under WP:TENDENTIOUS editing. FYI, the fact that he was of Iranian-Azerbaijani descent is still covered in the body of the article. It doesn't however belong in the lede per aforementioned reasons, including WP:LEDE and WP:DUE weight. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * More WP:RS sources, which were rather easy to find:
 * "The first CW laser, a gas-based laser using helium (He) and neon, was demonstrated by the Iranian physicist Ali Javan in January 1961." -- Wynand Lambrechts, ‎Saurabh Sinha. (2017). SiGe-based Re-engineering of Electronic Warfare Subsystems. Springer. p. 35
 * "There is no doubt that we would not be where we are today without the inspirational works of the Iranian physicist Ali Javan who introduced the science of Helium Neon" -- V. Oswal, M. Remacle, S. Jovanvic, S.M. Zeitels, J.P. Krespi, C. Hopper, eds. (2014) Principles and Practice of Lasers in Otorhinolaryngology and Head and Neck Surgery. Vol 1. Kugler Publications. Second edition. p. 295
 * Best, - LouisAragon (talk) 21:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Emirate of Arabistan
Hello there, unfortunately the disruptive editor is continuing to push. He's now trying to pass a WP:SYNTH paragraph using a pre-WW2 racial anthropology book as a source, and also adding paragraphs/sources that violate WP:PRIMARY. Wondering what your thoughts are since you reverted his edits a few days ago. I don't think continuing to revert does much at this point, so I'm not quite sure how to resolve this. --Qahramani44 (talk) 03:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This should be brought to ANI. Said editor has been pushing a WP:TENDENTIOUS editorial pattern for a long time, despite numerous warnings. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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 * "Although some Kurdish authors have claimed descendants for Kurdish from Avestan and Median, a direct link of Kurdish with Avestan was ruled out in Iranian philology even back in its initial stages (cf. Rödiger and Pott, 1842, cited in Lecoq, 1997: 31), while Avestan, although its classification is also unresolved, is traditionally considered to be closer to Eastern Iranian languages (cf. Korn, 2016: 403). Furthermore, the purported relationship of Kurdish to the Median language, although defended by Minorsky based mostly on conjectural historical evidence (Minorsky, 1940: 143–6), is not supported by linguistic evidence, since information about the Median language is extremely limited and indirect, being mostly restricted to the loanwords found in the Old Persian inscriptions (Lecoq, 1987: 674).4 As Lecoq (1997: 31) states in relation to the Kurdish–Median connection, everything is possible but nothing is demonstrable. But even the limited data at hand provide evidence against Kurdish–Median genetic affinity (Asatrian, 2009: 21; MacKenzie, 1999: 675–6; Rossi, 2010: 308). Refuting thus the Median origin of Kurdish, MacKenzie (1961) outlined a picture of the evolution of North-western Iranian languages where Kurdish and Persian evolved in parallel and therefore Kurdish "represented an early splitting from the linguistic subgroup of Median" (cf. Rossi, 2010: 307–8). Likewise, in his survey of major isoglosses in the historical phonology of West Iranian languages, Windfuhr (1975: 458) concluded on the basis of these facts (and with regard to the subsequent migration of the Kurds into the Median territory – explained below) that Kurdish can probably not be considered a ‘Median’ dialect neither linguistically nor geographically, stating further that the modern Iranian languages of Azerbaijan (originally ‘Aturpatakan’) and Central Iran(e.g. Sivandi) are Median dialects (Windfuhr, 2009: 15)."

Possible vandalism
Possible vandalism on the page List of rulers of the pre-Achaemenid kingdoms of Iran. --Salazar the terrible (talk) 11:05, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

 * Many thanks, wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season too! Lets hope the pandemic stuff will end soon. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Aq Qoyunlu
Have you run on to anything indicating the Aq Qoyunlu used Turkmen language? A cursory search has returned zero results. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:03, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think its possible to find any proper English WP:RS stating such a thing. I, likewise, wasn't able to find anything either in google.books, google.scholar and jstor. Azeri Turkic and Persian, sure, but not Turkmen. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I sort of figured it would be that way, considering the quote from that book(found in the link) was rather vague. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:08, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, this makes no mention of Ahmad Jalayir writing poetry in Azerbaijani. Odd how these supposed sources are either in Russian or Turkish. Pity they can not be verified by an English source! --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Seeing a pattern

 * As I see you love to lie, you were lying about Safavid State.


 * so those pages are lying, and here I find the story written by unknown historians that Georgia was a province of Safavids.

So two editors that both have issues with Georgia being a Safavid province, do not like how Georgian vassals are named, and both have a nasty habit of accusing others/articles of lying. Clearly this is not a coincidence.--Kansas Bear (talk) 21:33, 28 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Made a SPI - LouisAragon (talk) 23:31, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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Happy New Year, LouisAragon!


Happy New Year! LouisAragon, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.


 * Thank you, and likewise! - LouisAragon (talk) 15:11, 2 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Excellent reply Louis. TY kindly! :) — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 01:59, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy new year!
A new year is here! Wishing you and yours the best Louis. With kind regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 12:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and likewise! - LouisAragon (talk) 15:11, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

About the Azerbaijan diaspora
The map I shared a few days ago showed the distribution of the world's Azerbaijanis. there, the Azerbaijanis in Iran were of a darker color. so what's the problem with that? Currently, the largest population of Azerbaijanis is in Iran Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 00:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Firstly, the map is unsourced. Secondly, its misleading as it puts the Republic of Azerbaijan at the center of attention by singling out that nation (black colour). It depicts the Republic of Azerbaijan as being supposedly the main "homeland" of Azerbaiijanis, with those Azeris living in other nations, including those in Iran, being supposedly part of the diaspora of the Republic of Azerbaijan. This is obviously a false narrative. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

asking assistance from you my sir/ma'am
hello Mr/Ms louis aragon (sorry for lack of ability to speak english fluently). i just massage you to demand your help and assistanse in subjects related to kurdish history, language and ethnology ,as i saw your activity and conclueded that you are an old and professional editor and experienced in orientalism one of wikipedia editors name "semsuri" activley manuplating articles that have content related to kurdish subjects(direct or indirect) in order to back up kurdish socio_political strategy and goals ; in other words  "non_scientific purposes", there is many examples that i see from him and the latest(3 month ego in article name "kurds" ) removed sourced content that explains differnce between languages spoken by kurds and deduce their difference as different as German and english ( he probably removed this sentences in order to keep introducing kurdish identity as unified and inseparable ) as i personally not able to fix this manipualtions i kindly ask you sir/ma'am, that keep your eyes on this editor and fix this deep and various manipulations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammad1107reza (talk • contribs) 11:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Azerbaijanis wiki page
Hello, why did you revert my changes? my citations aren't bad and turcoman is mentioned several times in the history section and it even states that thats what they called themselves so why not mention it in ethnonyms section as well? Terekemes still call themselves turcomans, its a fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caucasuschan (talk • contribs) 20:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Request for opinion
Hi there, would you mind giving your opinion in this discussion? Thank you. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 22:46, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Talysh people
Since when did the people of Talysh have a population of 4 million? It is changed twice by a person, please take a precaution. Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 21:53, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Unconstrucive edits
Hello dear user User:LouisAragon, I kindly ask you to refrain from making unconstructive edits and deleting resources at Emirate of Arabistan as your recent changes have really halted the process of improvement of the article. Thanks and regards Alirwez061 (talk) 18:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

geographical history of Azerbaijan
Why did you delete my article? Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 17:19, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

I did not demand land from another country. I submitted historical maps, why was my article deleted? Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 17:22, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The entire article is an amalgam of WP:PRIMARY and WP:OR. Modern specialist English-language sources (i.e. WP:RS) disagree with almost everything that's stated in it. Whatever info that may be salvageable, is a WP:POVFORK of Azerbaijan (toponym). - LouisAragon (talk) 22:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

This is a completely one-sided opinion. There are hundreds of maps and resources about the geography of Azerbaijan. You claim that Azerbaijan got its name from Iran in 1918 and the present Azerbaijan Republic was never named Azerbaijan. However, there are more than 100 maps and historians who claim the opposite, and you ignore the views of these historians and cannot tolerate any other opinion than your own in the encyclopedia you call free wikipedia. Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 12:00, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Title
Hi Louis, hope you're well. What do you think of Battle of Kurdamir recently created article? Regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Should be AfD'd. It might then get draftified if there are enough WP:RS sources making mention of the battle. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

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JSTOR article request
Hello LiousAragon, could you please provide me this article from JSTOR, Wanting to Have Their Cake and Their Neighbor's Too: Azerbaijani Attitudes towards Karabakh and Iranian Azerbaijan, as it seems to be of use in some of the articles I edit in. - Kevo3 <sup style="color:#0033a0">2 <sup style="color:#f2a800">7 (talk) 15:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Should be in your mailbox now! - LouisAragon (talk) 15:32, 7 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for always helping out :D - <b style="color:#d90012">K</b><b style="color:#000000">evo</b><sup style="color:#d90012">3 <sup style="color:#0033a0">2 <sup style="color:#f2a800">7 (talk) 21:56, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

New message from Stifle
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Keeping a list
I have started a list of disruptive AA2 editors that would be stopped by a 500/30 restriction. Feel free to post any information that would help. It is listed under the Concept section. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Kansas Bear, LouisAragon if I may add to the list, I noticed a partiulllarly interesting IP quite a while ago. They keep changing their dynamic address so it's hard to really keep a track. I had evidence to open an SPI investigation, but apparently, CheckUser cannot be used to connect IPs to accounts.
 * Same range IP again (different dynamic address),, was blocked recently. They circumvented the block by changing the dynamic IP address again, see . That IP changed its address so many times that I just didn't really care anymore, probably a range block is needed at this point. I still think it's most likely a sanctioned user, too much knowledge and coincidence for some random IP in AA. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * We might want to put a hold on adding any more to the list until I can find out where to place it.--Kansas Bear (talk) 22:35, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The IP I mentioned above edited with a different dynamic address (again) . They add mostly POV (again) with subpar sources like Encyclopedic dictionary of Azerbaijan toponyms, which was shown as unreliable in the RSN discussion. Not sure what's the appropriate measure here, since clerks don't CheckUser IP accounts. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 20:27, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Those sources should be removed per the outcome at WP:RSN. If the IP continues to edit in a disruptive way they should be reported to ANI. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Parthian Empire
I have yet to find any source calling the "Indo-Parthian Kingdom" a successor state. There are a few sources stating a break with the Parthian Empire, and they ended up as vassals of the Kushan Empire.

The Sasanian Empire is considered a successor state of the Parthian Empire(surprise, surprise). --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:08, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

On another note, do you have access(or can you find) this journal article?
 * The final nail in the coffin of Azes II, Journal of the Oriental Numismatic Society 197, 2008.

I am trying to re-write Indo-Parthian Kingdom, but I am running into conflicting information.--Kansas Bear (talk) 21:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)


 * "On another note, do you have access(or can you find) this journal article?"
 * Unfortunately not (looked at many places). You probably need to ask at WP:REX.
 * - LouisAragon (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * All issues of that journal are available here. That specific article begins in page 25 of issue 197.Premitive (talk) 08:37, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Premitive. --Kansas Bear (talk) 12:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome.Premitive (talk) 14:16, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome.Premitive (talk) 14:16, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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"jump the gun"
Not probably the idiom you wanted:. Dodge the bullet is closer, but still not quite right. "Avoid scrutiny" is not a cute idiom but maybe the right phrase. --JBL (talk) 23:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops, yeah it was late.. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Categorizing ethnic groups and languages that precede their modern designations
Even though the current designation for that ethnic group did not exist until the 19th century, a separate Turkic Azerbaijani language and ethnicity evolved in the 11th century. The earliest Azerbaijani texts exist since the 13th century (and are highly mutually intelligible with modern Azerbaijani, when transliterated into the Latin script). Medieval poets and writers wrote in that language, long before it was called "Azerbaijani" or "Azeri". The relatively recent designations of long existing ethnic groups is also the case with other ethnicities, like the Slovaks or Slovenes. There are no clear policies in Wikipedia about this, hence, the problem. --Multituberculata (talk) 06:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

a problematic map
hello. you deleted this map but he created more problematic maps you can see it used in Turkic languages Azerbaijani language Oghuz languages. both his iranian and oguz maps looks political and biased and they may promote some ethnicist agenda. they are similar to pro-Whole Azerbaijan.--89.165.98.233 (talk) 12:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Listing Arms Suppliers in 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine
If the main complaint was that "the list would be too long," then maybe "Intelligence/Sat recon" would be a more apt category? Fephisto (talk) 16:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

A messy article
Hi. How are you? I'm Wario-Man, I changed my username. Would you pleases add -stan to your watchlist and start a cleanup? The article has become a mess with a lot of unnecessary details, unsourced stuff, and non-notable entries. It feels like a large blog-like post now. People have added a lot of pointless content to it. Someone should rewrite most parts of it. You can improve it. Mann Mann (talk) 04:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey Wario, how are you doing? Good to see you patrolling these problematic topics once again. Added the -stan page to my watchlist. Doubt I'll be able to expand it at any point in the near future though. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:07, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm fine. I patrol those pages occasionally because they are always prone to problematic edits and pov-pushing; e.g. see the revision history of and  (my recent edits on both articles). Actually "-stan" does not need an expansion but cleanup and trimming plus better sources. The point is the current revision is a 50-50 mix of necessary and unnecessary stuff. BTW, I saw your report. FYI, the case reminds me of this sleeper account (similar edit pattern, behavior, and rants). Mann Mann (talk) 13:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * And look at these diffs: Mann Mann (talk) 18:37, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

"derived from Template:DS/alert"
Hi LouisAragon, which template was Special:Diff/1078640483 substituted from? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Ultimately, here - LouisAragon (talk) 01:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, nah, not ultimately. What did you write? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't get what you mean. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:15, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Which text did you enter into the edit box to produce this template? It has an orange background and a different text than the blue original, it seems, and I wonder where that comes from. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:17, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as the orange background is concerned, I believe it is ultimately derived from this template. As far as the entire text is concerned, I believe its been used for many years within AA2 (perhaps even predating the blue text?). I believe I just copied it at some point years ago from someone's talk page, and have been using it since when needed. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay, thanks for the link and the background information. The problem is that WP:AWARE contains an underlined (emphasized) "unmodified", so your template has no effect. It will however make people avoid placing the actual template there, so the user never becomes formally aware for a year, resulting in the opposite of what the template is meant to do. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:30, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Learning something new everyday, thank your for the heads up! Will use that one then from now on. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries Emoji_u1f604.svg The reason why I asked before pointing this out is that I thought I had missed something. For example, I thought for a moment that using might produce a yellow background while  produces the blue one I was used to. Or that perhaps there's actually an official template with this text and formatting somewhere. Or even that the template had a different code in the moment you substituted it. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

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Pan-Turkism, Iranian or Iranic
Hello, you reversed my changes in the Pan-Turkism page where I changed Iranian to Iranic to emphasize a broader sense of Scythian and Parthian peoples. I understand that they are Iranian peoples in the broadest sense of the word, but I don't understand why "Iranic" is wrong. The term is already a word which exists and is used in academia just as "Indic" is used to describe a broader conception and understanding of subjects relayed to South Asia. As I've said in my change reasons, Scythians were not exclusively Iranian peoples but also included minorities, among the most prominent were ethnically Turkic-descended peoples. Nonetheless they all beared a similar heritage and culture and ways of life, you can see why Iranic would be a better term especially in the context its used in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Windafarna (talk • contribs) 00:49, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Question..
Hi Louis. I'm not sure how to approach this user, they seem to be on a WP:POINT proving journey. I tried my best to explain to them what discussions and consensus is in their talk page and recently here Talk:Yerevan, but they do similar to their suggested edits in other articles with edit-warring and personal commentary. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 22:11, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * They're being a bit too zealous. A good thing is they're now somewhat engaging in talk page discussions, however, I'm not sure it will last. Looking at their editorial pattern, they're a bit too keen on pushing their narrative through. They are right insofar that Muslims (including Tatars/Turks, now known as Azerbaijanis) were once, for a short period of time, the majority in Yerevan, however, I don't think their analogies hold ground for reasons explained here and here The fact that they only started editing in AA2 as of early 2022 and have barely made any proper edit within AA2 (literally almost all of their edits were about content removal and placements of CN tags), makes it difficult to view their pattern as one intended to improve said articles. If said user continues to edit in a disruptive way they should be reported to ANI. Best, - LouisAragon (talk) 23:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

ANI wanted me to notify you
" There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Serkan,Kutluoglu (talk) 11:52, 22 April 2022 (UTC)"

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Origin of the Korymbos and possible connection to Sikh hair knots?
I saw the korymbos in many Sassanid crowns, and I was wondering where and when this tradition originated, the extent of its spread during Sassanid times, and if there was any connection to the modern hair wrap of Sikh people. 2600:1006:B056:C1D9:A41E:3F97:3677:737B (talk) 05:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * No idea, never heard of in any WP:RS. Sounds doubtful to be honest. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:50, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Persian Language reversion
I'm not sure what exactly you mean when you say "Indo-Persianization" doesn't count considering the entire eastern Iranian lands were literally all Persianized (if not entirely than hegemonically, before there existed Sogdian, Bactrian, among other languages and no indigenous people were displaced but adopted Persian) through various forms of patronization and elite dominance. How else do you think Persian was adopted, a southwestern Iranian language that displaced indigenous languages throughout the region?

As to citations, the citation for Turkmenistan for comes from a single source which is literally a Jehovah's Witness website, which okay fine, but it doesn't say anything about Persian being "indigenous" there either. Uzbekistan doesn't even have a citation. Iraq's is literally unverified because it doesn't even say so it is spoken there in the source. Native to, in this case refers to where its spoken by indigenous and settled people as far as I can tell. Where exactly does it say that it is only spoken by "Hazara refugees"? Pakistan covers the eastern fringe of the Iranian plateau where it is spoken by communities. The sources say where Persian speaking communities exist, these are credible sources from universities.

I'm not sure what you think Pakistan is, but it's a state which covers the northwestern Indian subcontinent and the eastern Iranian Plateau. Persian, is as indigenous there as it is in Tajikistan or Afghanistan, or anywhere else for that matter. "Afghans" didn't migrate to Pakistan in the last hundred years, if Afghans are eastern Iranic peoples you mean, which is a term literally no one uses to refer to them as except you. "Afghans" already existed there and the state was built on that area, and surprise! No migration needed! The people already existed there. That is the definition of them being indigenous. Native means indigenous right..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Windafarna (talk • contribs) 19:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but this is WP:OR. Persian has a continuous history in what is modern-day Afghanistan since at least the 8th/9th century AD. Persian was brought to what is present-day Pakistan and India during the Ghaznavid conquests and remained prominent there until the mid-19th century with the coming of the British. It was once imported there, and later removed. Calling Persian as native to Pakistan/India as it is in Afghanistan (where it still spoken today) or Iran (!; per "anywhere else for that matter") is from the realm of WP:OR POV pushing. Imagine saying English is as native to the Americas as it is to the British Isles. It makes no sense historically and verifiably speaking. The Afghan/Pashtun argument makes no sense either, as they dont even speak Persian as their native language, especially not in Pakistan/India. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:49, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Achaemenid Empire
Honestly, I have no idea what user:Senomo Drines goal is for dealing with that particular sentence. My search, though quite limited, found Provencal and I searched through Brosius and she says something similar if not more cryptic. If I find nothing by tomorrow, I will be removing that particular sentence from the Achaemenid Empire article and Persians article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah no idea either tbh. Your assessment sounds sensible. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:54, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Tone
I didn't appreciate your tone in. You're accusing an editor's edits of "reeking of WP:TENDENTIOUS, but also WP:GAME". These policies should not be cited lightly, especially in the context of a content dispute; it was completely unnecessary. This topic area is already difficult to work in, and we should try not to make it any more difficult for editors to make constructive edits. We cross paths a lot because of our shared interest in this topic, so let's just try to keep it as pleasant as possible by assuming good faith on both ends. — Golden  call me maybe? 16:24, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


 * As unfortunate as it might be, you can't "demand" WP:GF overnight when you have a long history of violating WP:TENDENTIOUS editing within WP:AA2. Delivering continuous dilligent work receives respect and even support. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey, LouisAragon. I've been monitoring 's edits since the unblock. He very clearly is not demanding anything here. However, I will point out that WP:AGF is a conduct guideline everyone is expected to follow, so this shouldn't be a difficult request to follow. If you have issues with Golden's current edits as they regard WP:TE, then please feel free to let me know since I haven't noticed any. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 15:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

afghanistan ethnic groups page
hey there;there is a wrong map in afghanistan ethnic groups page made by cia,to minimize tajik persian speaking socities of afghanistan,for example according to wikipedia itself,balkh and badakhshan have tajik majority population,some one deleted previous map wich was from al jazeera report wich according to wp=rs al jazzera is a reliable source,cia map is trying to turkcize northern afghanistan to stop iranian influence,the majority people of herat are tajiks but according to that map aimaks are!!!!!!! i ask you to change it to previous one because the previous one is true according to that map only 5% ARE TAJIKS!!!!!!!!! please take a look — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santa claus9889 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Negar Habibi


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Books & Bytes – Issue 50
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Issue 50, March – April 2022 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New library partner - SPIE
 * 1Lib1Ref May 2022 underway

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Sanina
Hi. What is your opinion about Sanina? I'd found This map which located the "Sanina" approximately in the Talish. As of me, the "Strab" may be Astara, because Hudud al-'Alam has a such spelling of that ("Astārāb"). You are a specialist in the Caucasian history, please help me how i find more information. Benyamin (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm never heard of that town before. A cursory Google.books search shows a book by Alexander MacBean called A Dictionary of Ancient Geography. It says : "Sanina: a town of Media, situated on the Caspian Sea, between the rivers Araxes and Cambyses". Its an old source though for I wasn't able to find any modern ones mentioning Sanina. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It's old, too. Nothing found via the Wikipedia library. Benyamin (talk) 16:57, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

This is interesting
Your thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:01, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Multinational state
Hey LouisAragon, Iran has never been a Multinational state, and the statement on the Iran hasn't a reference. Darafsh (Talk) 19:34, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * LouisAragon, multinational state was unsourced material added by a sockpuppet. Could be related to another blocked user Special:Contributions/KIENGIR; a very similar attempt. --Mann Mann (talk) 16:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I reverted sock's edit and restored the correct term. --Mann Mann (talk) 16:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXCIV, June 2022
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 11:43, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Urmia and Iranian Azerbaijanis
Hi. Is it possible for you to take a look at the talk page of Urmia so that we may come to terms on an addition I would like to make and possibly adapt it? Thank you.--Ayıntaplı (talk) 21:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi again. Is it possible for you to take a look at the talk page of Iranian Azerbaijanis? Thank you. Ayıntaplı (talk) 22:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Anti-Armenian sentiment in Azerbaijan
Hi. Thanks for your good-faith edit. I find it useful, however, I believe that mention of the toponym (Prior to 1918 the word "Azerbaijan" exclusively referred to the Iranian province of Azarbayjan.) in the context of ethnicity is undue, also it may mislead readers by implying false impression that Tatars/Azerbaijanis/Turks (whatever we call them)  were not living in that territories until recent times (1918). Therefore I removed that part. P.S. There are some error with references you added, which I was unsuccessful to fix, can you please fix them? Thanks! Abrvagl (talk) 06:39, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree with the removal of that particular part per WP:UNDUE. Its not super relevant for the context of the lede of this particular article. As for the refs, I copy-pasted them from a different article I wrote long ago, so I'm waiting for the Wiki bot to adjust them automatically. If the bot fails to do it within 1-2 days, I will adjust them manually. Thanks for letting me know. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXCVI, July 2022
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Books & Bytes – Issue 51
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Issue 51, May – June 2022 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New library partners
 * SAGE Journals
 * Elsevier ScienceDirect
 * University of Chicago Press
 * Information Processing Society of Japan
 * Feedback requested on this newsletter
 * 1Lib1Ref May 2022

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Clean up a mess?
Care to assist in the clean up of one of your namesakes? User:Kansas Bear/Louis VIII. Mention of Louis' excommunication in the Lead but no mention in the article, violates WP:LEAD and that is just the tip of the iceberg! Kansas Bear (talk) 00:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, can you help a little bit about the language of the Azerbaijan People's Republic? It would be better if you made the change, unfortunately they take it back when I make it. Kergid (talk) 12:23, 15 August 2022 (UTC)