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Happy editing! Cheers, Doug Weller  talk 08:30, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

We don't use "Him" to refer to Jesus
See MOS:CAPS. "Pronouns for deities and figures of veneration are not capitalized, even if capitalized in a religion's scriptures: Jesus addressed his followers, not Jesus addressed His followers (except in a direct quotation)." Doug Weller talk 08:32, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Christians may be offended at seeing Jesus' pronouns not capitalized in the proper manner. A site as widely used and trusted as Wikipedia should respect all religions. I'm not sure of other religious customs regarding deities, as I am a Christian myself. How could I change this site to be more inclusive to Christians? LoveSpeech (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * And that might offend other religions. We treat all religions the same, eg we don’t use PBUH. We also are a mainstream encyclopaedia, so our articles on Creationism make it clear they are pseudoscience. You aren’t going to bs able to change our basic policies. Doug Weller  talk 17:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * How would it offend other religions? Jesus is a positive figure in every major religion to my knowledge (with the exception of Judaism), so who would be offended? I'm not aware of any group that would be offended by Wikipedia respecting Islam in the same way, or any other religion. The rules of Wikipedia are not inclusive enough to religious people, it's not very much to ask that the writers here use "Him" when referring to Jesus Christ. LoveSpeech (talk) 00:48, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This whole exchange has really revealed to me just how bigoted the writers of Wikipedia really are. Who thought it was a good idea to let a bunch of Christophobes and Islamophobes be the arbiters of truth, the source that so many companies get their information from? LoveSpeech (talk) 00:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I’ve never met a Christian here who thought their religion should be treated specially and that Wikipedia acknowledge Jesus as a god. And you are insulting hundreds of thousands of editors with this false accusation. Ironically you want to be the arbiter of what you believe to be true rather than take a neutral stand.  Doug Weller  talk 07:28, 8 January 2023 (UTC)