User talk:Loveindoe

June 2021
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Please do not add or change content, as you did at The Writing's on the Wall, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Additionally, it seems that you may have a conflict of interest regarding the subjects of the article. Please familiarize yourself with the conflict of interest policy and disclose any COI's you may have with the article prior to editing. Thank you.  Bass 77 talk contribs 01:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

This Wikipedia credit was initially there a few years ago it was recently removed by your BOT. I don’t need to cite articles because I’m on the copyright. Is a very serious offense not to copy write me on this Wikipedia page as a major contributor so she can’t love you answer the album. You need to fix it or get legal action taken against you. if you need to see a copy of the writer splits or from Harry Fox agency or Sony, I will send it to you which shows the writer splits and my name credit. Loveindoe (talk) 15:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

July 2021
Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I noticed that you made a change to an article, The Writing's on the Wall, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 15:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action. You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Drmies (talk) 15:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok thank you Loveindoe (talk) 14:02, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Unblock request
You were blocked for making legal threats, and your response is to repeat them. Drmies (talk) 15:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

That information you said was always in there? It was added in September of last year, by someone whose edit summaries look a lot like yours. But that's all irrelevant: it was unsourced to begin with. Drmies (talk) 15:55, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, Drmies the information was first added to The Writing's on the Wall on 26 December 2012, as you can see here. JBW (talk) 21:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I was talking about this one; the next edit has the same kind of edit summary we've seen from this user, and there is no doubt in my mind that this is the same person. That doesn't matter much, I guess--but I also looked for verification of the credits, and actually found fewer than I would have expected; and, like you, what I found really lacked credibility (genius.com and sites like that). Drmies (talk) 13:52, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Huh? I was just made aware of the citation requirement which I just obtained from the library of Congress. I DID NOT make any threats In my unblock request. I clarified that the only reason I said that in my initial request .. bcuz I wasnt aware of the citing process. A simple search on the library of Congress will show My authorship on this song. Today is the first time citation was mentioned as a way to fix it. All I’m trying to do is fix this entry to reflect my contribution as per the copyright. It is not my intention to make legal threats. Please understand how this omission has negatively affect me as an artist and songwriter. It is not morally or ethically right to be excluded from my own song. How may I correct this ? Loveindoe (talk) 17:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok. I didn’t know your terms regarding this matter. It has greatly hurt my brand to not be properly credited. It is chilling and very disheartening for any of this to have taken place in the first place especially for material that I personally incepted and authored. But as per your guidelines. I withdraw any and all statements / warnings/ or threats of any legal action against Wikipedia regarding this correction and have prepared citations to properly fix this issue. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you for ur kind consideration in fixing this matter. Loveindoe (talk) 17:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Also. I am the copyrighted co author on this work. Not paid by anyone to correct my contribution. I simply tried to correct it as I thought allowed. And at one point. I was listed. So I was very disappointed to see the omission. Btw, None of our previous communication mentioned an issue with citing so I was not aware of that process or any wrong doing regarding COI. Me correcting a copyrighted work shouldn’t be a problem rt? Loveindoe (talk) 17:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I was just clarifying what I meant in the initial unblock request. Not making any further legal threats As I was unaware of your guidelines.. I have withdrawn any and all legal threats, and do not have a conflict of interest as I am a copyrighted co-author of the song just trying to add my name to the contribution when this Wikipedia page is originally filed I believe I was on the copyright that was years ago since then I’ve tried to correct it just by fixing it as I thought I could in the edit page and I’ve seen it continuously removed it wasn’t until today that someone told me about sighting in the communications and then I contacted the library Congress and got a copy of the copyright which I intended to provide in the citation.. I am the initial inception author of this song and it does me and my brand a great disservice to not be credit on my own work. Can you please help me fix it? sorry for the misunderstanding Loveindoe (talk) 18:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

As previously Stated I was unaware of your legal threats guidelines, I was just operating under the guise of my legal copyrighted protections, And I do not believe there is a copy righted author that I am a conflict of interest.. however. Ive take back my any and all legal threats and won't repeat it again, can anything be done to resolve this? Loveindoe (talk) 18:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

If you provide an email I can send you a copy of my source from the library of Congress directly so that you can see that I am on the copyright Loveindoe (talk) 19:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Response to your unblock request on UTRS

 * You have requested an unblock on UTRS (appeal number 45631).


 * UTRS is mainly for use when it is either not possible to request an unblock on one's Wikipedia talk page because talk page access has been revoked, or not appropriate to do so because the unblock request contains confidential information which can't be posted publicly on Wikipedia. When neither of those applies it is far better for unblock requests to be made on Wikipedia. I have therefore declined that unblock request, but you are very welcome to post another one on this page.


 * In your appeal on UTRS you appear to have completely withdrawn your suggestion of taking legal action. Since that suggestion was the only reason given for the block, if you can clearly state on this page that you are no longer contemplating legal action, I see no reason why the block should not be removed. If you do so, I recommend keeping your request reasonably short, covering the essential point more concisely than you did at UTRS.


 * You seem to have a misunderstanding of what copyright is about. The essential idea of copyright law is that nobody is allowed to create copies of your work without your permission. That does not mean that people can't mention your work, or write about it, without crediting you.


 * I have searched on the internet, and found countless web sites that say that India Lindo wrote the lyrics of "The Writing's on the Wall", so many that I really don't have any doubt that it's true. Unfortunately I'm not entirely sure that any of the sites I saw fall under the heading of what Wikipedia regards as a reliable source. I may decide restore the information to the article, giving several of the sources that I can find, and hope that nobody will remove it because they think the sources aren't reliable enough, but I would much prefer to get at least one unambiguously reliable source, to avoid all doubt. I suggest you read the guideline on reliable sources, if you haven't already done so, and see if you can provide something which satisfies those guidelines.


 * You should read the guideline on what is rather misleadingly referred to on Wikipedia as "conflict of interest", if you haven't already. You will see there that you are discouraged from editing about yourself directly, but if you can provide suitable reliable sources you can ask an independent editor to consider whether to make the changes that you think should be made. You said "It has greatly hurt my brand to not be properly credited". Unfortunately that makes it apparent that your purpose here is to use Wikipedia for publicity purposes, which is contrary to the policy on promotional editing. That is, in fact, one of the reasons why the conflict of interest guideline exists. However, if an independent editor sees the information as appropriate, they can choose to add it to the article.

I hope that some or all of those comments may be helpful to you. JBW (talk) 22:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Ok sure.. . I didn’t know your policy or terms of use initially so I completely withdraw any threat or mention of legal action. Also It is not about publicity whatsoever. It’s simply an ethical request that my name be entered on the track as I am the primary author and inceptor title and song concept and am just requesting to be added to the credits as is everyone else who is listed. It is only a matter of fair credit. Library of Congress has A very reputable citation ; if you search the work you will see the copyright ..the original copyright features my name I can also give you cite sourcing’s from Harry fox agency that will also state my writer share… At inception “She can’t love u” was part of my demo for a record deal that I had at dreamworks records and DC wanted to use it on their album. the title and song concept was written by myself .. If it’s easier, I can also send any required citation info as well as a copy of the original copyright to wherever you deemed sufficient. Thank u for your kind consideration. I hope this matter will be finally settled. Loveindoe (talk) 20:46, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi I am just checking back for an update on my unblock request as well as wanting to submit proper citation from the library of Congress Loveindoe (talk) 14:07, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Unblock request with proper citation
Hi I am requesting to be unblocked Drmies (talk) 15:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC) You have withdrawn the legal threats; do you also agree to pursue your contributions related to your COI according to how WP:COI describes to? 331dot (talk) 07:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Loveindoe, when you have a moment would you mind responding to the question above about conflict of interest notifications? It's presently the only thing delaying the finalisation of this appeal. -- Euryalus (talk) 05:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi ! Yes I also agreed to pursue my contributions related to my conflict of interest according to how WPCOI describes to. thank you for your kind consideration. Loveindoe (talk) 03:13, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think this block is now able to be removed, but I wanted to see what your thoughts were on this. 331dot (talk) 07:44, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , I can't say that I have much confidence in this editor's capabilities as a Wikipedia editor (given their writing skills and the lack of knowledge about what we do here), or their goals here--they do not seem to include improving the project. But reblocks are cheap, I suppose. If we don't tell this editor exactly what COI editors are supposed to do, we'll be here very shortly--I simply doubt that they read the relevant policy, or that they understand things like proper secondary sourcing. Drmies (talk) 17:57, 8 December 2021 (UTC)