User talk:Lovejoyhealth

Please, do not edit as if beliefs were undisputed facts!
Hi, User:Lovejoyhealth, and welcome to more active wp (Wikipedia) editing!

You have made numerous contributions to the article Ascended Master Teachings, and some others. You seem to know about the subjects, and therefore could come with valuable improvements. However, the way you edit now, you run the risk that all your additions get reversed. In the worst case scenario, you might even be barred from future wp editing. I think that this would be a pity.

The problem is this: You treat the subject as if the article's purpose would be to describe the truth, However, the thuth is not a major concern for wp.  We are trying to write down the verifyable statements, rather than the true ones. This does not mean that we conchiously spread halsehoods, but that when we are in doubt, we retain material if it supported by written sources of recognisable standards; else we omit it.

Here is just one example of a statement you recently added, which may be an absolute truth in your mind, but hardly in the minds of all our readers:
 * "The 'Teachings' are a synthesis of the Eternal Verities of all religions, couched in the current Lingua Franca and energized with ongoing Messages (Discourses and Dictations… Intuitive Inspired Interpretations from 'Embodied Messengers' that have developed heightened sensitivities to Cosmic Law… especially as exemplified by certain Prophets, Sages, Saints, Yogis and Archetypical Heros East and West said to speak and elucidate Their Wisdom in Formal Spoken (Guided) Meditations through them)."

You did not present this as "The truth according to the believers", but rather as "The absolute truth". 'Actually, instead, you have removed some of the introduction, that explained that the following was the belief of the students'' of the Teaching.

You probably think that what you write is true. I respect that belief. However, if you would like to retain this as an absolute truth, then you must support it, by obvious and independent unanim,ous sources. You have to provide official texts from the various Christian churches, Moslem congregations, and so on, which shows that they all agree that there is a set of Eternal Truths, shared by all religions, and that a synthesis of these truths is presented by 'your' Teachings. Now, you'll not be able to do this. As an alternative, you could show that the standard text books ised in the standard University courses about History of Religion and similar subjects, explicitly writes about these 'Eternal truths', and about the 'Teachings' as a synthesis of them. However, you will not be able to do that, either.

Therefore, your statement is not verifyable. This means that we just have two alternatives: Either, these and similar statements are removed (and houndreds of alert wp editors and administrators then will see to it that they are not added back); or they are modified. If you write, not that this is the absolute truth (which you cannot verify), but that this is what the adherents of the 'Teachings' hold as the truth, and provide some sources for this, then it may be retained. This means that you must leave to the readers of wp to decide for themselves, whether or not they think that the statements are absolutely true. If you are prepared to do this, your contributions could be a welcome improvement to wp's description of what the Teachings contain.

I await your response to this, on this page, or on the discussion page Talk:Ascended Master Teachings. In the meantime, I'll restore a little of the introduction, about this being the beliefs of some people.

Best regards, JoergenB (talk) 18:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I have made changes to my posts based upon your thoughtful comments making it clear that what is said is descriptive of the ideas of Ascended Master Teachings.... leaving room for the reader to see the facts impartially without bias or assumption that what is said is The TRUTH.


 * Thanks! In my opinion, your recent changes improve the article considerably!
 * PS: It is customary to sign contributions on talk pages (even your own). You could do this very simplyby means of pushing the "Signature and timestamp button", or by writing four "tildes". This looks like this: ~ when you write it; but then it is replaced by the wikipedia editor. I'll write these four tildes at the end of this sentence: JoergenB (talk) 22:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

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{{subst:uw-inline-el|Christie Brinkley| This is the second time you have added an external link to Christie Brinkley's brother's site. We don't use external links that way, and that link is promotional.]] Meters (talk) 19:28, 9 November 2014 (UTC)