User talk:LovelieHeart

Hiro Mizushima
Stop removing the template. It is there to display the Japanese text as most browsers do not display it well. Also, stop writing Saitō as Saitou. Per the Japanese manual of style ou is rendered as ō, unless Mizushima or his company writes it as Saitou. 夢 追人  YumeChaser 08:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

OU IS THE CORRECT FORMAT.
 * Ou is incorrect. Read the manual of style. The article still needs references so do not remove the template unless everything is sourced. And per the MOS we add a space between the last and first name. 夢  追人  YumeChaser 09:02, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm the one who sifted through Japanese articles and wrote the page after it sat like that for months. OU is correct because I speak Japanese. Hiro does NOT spell it ō.
 * It does not matter whether you speak Japanese or not nor does it make it correct. You do not have a source that says he spells his name as Tomohiro Saitou. Hell, you don't even have a source that proves Saitou is his real name. 夢  追人  YumeChaser 09:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

it does matter that i speak japanese because the NATIVE spelling of his surname is saitou. if YOU want to change it, find a document where he uses only o. Otherwise, saitou is correct. and don't curse.
 * No it doesn't and here on Wikipedia the romanization we use renders it as ō not ou. You are the one adding content, YOU HAVE to source it not me. Read point one from this and this regarding the naming. It talks about what we are discussing. 夢  追人  YumeChaser 09:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

correct transcription renders it as ou. OU in Japanese may be transcribed as ou, ō, oo or oh. I've chosen the correct form because the Hiragana is さいとう
 * No it is not. We use romanization used writes ou as ō. And per the Japanese manual of style, we use the "ō" form. UNLESS, there is a source (news article or official website), that writes his name as ou. Actually you know what? I'm removing his "birth name" because there is no source to prove that is even his name. 夢  追人  YumeChaser 09:17, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

If you would leave my darn page alone, I'll go source it. But I'm too busy taking away your screw ups. ō is acceptable but OU is more correct.
 * Sorry to inform you but the page isn't yours. 夢  追人  YumeChaser 09:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That is perfectly true. It is clear from comments you have made both here and elsewhere that you resent it when other people edit what you think of as "your" article. That is not how Wikipedia works. You may contribute to articles, but so may other people, and you cannot claim ownership of particular articles, nor can you stop other people making changes to your contributions. You need to accept that you work in cooperation with other editors, who have as much right to edit an article as you have. If you are not prepared to accept that then you should probably not be editing Wikipedia. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:30, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

No, the page isn't mine but I did take the time to make it and you're screwing it up with false information. So yeah, I'm a little tiffed. Why didn't you do anything to the page for the months it sat there if you're so concerned about the article? You waited until I spent three hours going through sources to screw up what I did. I sourced his name. Now leave it alone.
 * Nothing I added was false and plenty of editors spend a lot of time editing an article only to have others change what they add. Welcome to editing Wikipedia. That source is not even reliable. Expect it to be removed in the future. 夢  追人  YumeChaser 09:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

No, only one other person came on. I'm the only person in what.. 6 or 7 months to actually contribute to that page? I've sourced my info. You asked for it. I gave it. Now leave the article alone. It's fine as is. There's nothing more you can add.
 * Please be civil in comments you address to other editors. Try to remember that, even if you disagree with other editors, they are probably making a sincere effort to improve the encyclopaedia. Also I will remind you once more that you do not own any article, and you should not be instructing anyone else to "leave it alone". JamesBWatson (talk) 09:36, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

James, she sweared on my page. That's not civil. Everything she asked for, I gave it. The article, until something significant happens to hiro, is up to date. There's really nothing else you can do it at this point. I wouldn't go on some page she contributed largely to and change it around for no reason. At this point, she's just being immature. If she would have left the page alone long enough for me to finish it, there wouldn't be the 50 useless edits on the page now.

Editing user pages
It is not usually acceptable to edit other users' talk pages, as you did at User:YumeChaser. (Exceptions do occur in the case of removing inappropriate content such as vandalism.) If you have a message for another user you should normally post it on their user talk page, such as User talk:YumeChaser. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:19, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Signing
In the mist of this I forgot to tell you that you should sign your posts by using the four tildes ( ~ ). 夢 追人  YumeChaser 09:39, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

edit war
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October 2010
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Ryūhei Matsuda, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. --DAJF (talk) 10:31, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Dude, if people would just leave the page alone long enough, I wouldn't have to stop my writing and formatting to redo everything and respond to people. Until a few hours ago, the ryuuhei page was bare. I'm adding information, translating, formatting and sourcing. When you go on the page and try to fix it, I have to go back and start over from editing conflict. I'm not leaving the article unfinished, I just need time to complete it.

You're being discussed by administrators
Please see WP:AN3. There may still be time for you to avoid sanctions if you will respond at the noticeboard and promise to stop edit warring on articles regarding Japanese celebrities. EdJohnston (talk) 15:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

This is not fair. I'm the one in the right. If Yume would have left the article alone, I could have finished it without having to go back and re-edit it. I saved the article as I went so I could go back to it after clicking off of Wikipedia. And in the meantime, yume kept going back and ruining the format before I had time to make it right.

Saitou
"Saitou" is the way I would spell it, too, but that doesn't make it somehow magically "right" (or native, or anything). Certainly the kana in さいとう are "sa", "i", "to", and "u", but using "Saitou" in romaji is actually relatively recent: it started to occur when people began to use word processing software to enter kana, and the only way to generate さいとう was to write "saitou". They then carried that spelling into romaji. There still is no official romanization system that uses "ou" to create a long "o". You won't find it in any official Japanese government documents.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:54, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I know there are different romanization processes. The reason I was bent on SAITOU is because in Japanese, Saitou and Saito are two different names. 斉藤 (hiro's last name) is さいとう. But 斉戸 is さいと. In English, they can both be Saito but in Japanese, Saito would be wrong. So that was my point.
 * But what you were reverting wasn't "Saito", but "Saitō". The only thing that can be is さいとう.&mdash;Kww(talk) 04:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Not so. Depending upon the romanization, ō can also refer to oo. So in the case of the surnames Oota and Outa, they would both become ōta by that standard. Even those they are completely different names. So saitō could also be written as saitoo in Japanese depending on people's romanization preference. SAITOU is the only specific and 100% undeniable translation that cannot be mistaken for another surname.
 * Hepburn uses oota for おおた, not ōta. What you need to do is start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles), and see if you can get a consensus to change the romanization system used in Wikipedia. Even if you are right, it's wrong to have one article use a different system than all others.&mdash;Kww(talk) 05:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I personally like the Hepburn. The problem is not everyone uses it. For example, the kunrei-shiki uses ô instead of ō (websites like IMDB have a history of using kunrei over hepburn). JSL romanization is the one that uses OO for OU. Which obviously causes confusion among pretty much anyone reading Romanized Japanese.

English/Japanese - Tokyo / Toukyou Hepburn - Tōkyō Kunrei-shiki - Tôkyô JSL - Tookyoo

So until everyone starts using the same system, direct translation is the only 100% sure way to know what you're reading unless you know Kanji/Kana. How could it be possible to go into getting a consensus on that? Just go in and start a basic discussion?
 * We use Hepburn. If you want to change away from that, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) would be the place to start the discussion. Just start a new topic.&mdash;Kww(talk) 11:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

November 2010
Please do not add or change content without citing verifiable and reliable sources, as you did to Hiro Mizushima. Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. --DAJF (talk) 23:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * In Japan, the kanji used on that page is no longer used in family registers. It's been replaced by the more modern version I gave. And his birth name has never been spelled as that website gives it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LovelieHeart (talk • contribs) 00:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I have replied on the Hiro Mizushima talk page with a whole bunch of official news sources that all suggest "齋藤" is the form used for this person.
 * And please make the effort to sign your comments using four tildes ( ~ ), as you have been requested before. Thank you. --DAJF (talk) 00:48, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I responded (LovelieHeart (talk) 01:24, 2 November 2010 (UTC))

Do you just want to list both spellings? Because we both have viable sources that use both spellings anyway so it's good to put both down for information and reference. Several Japanese idols on Wiki have two spellings of their name so it can be done. (LovelieHeart (talk) 01:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC))

Your recent edits
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BLP violation on your user page
I notice that, on your user page, you state "Boycott Christina Aguilera and Sandra Bullock, who had their sons penises partially removed without painkillers in unsanitary conditions by a mohel, aka a man with no medical training." The claims relate to living people, thus the WP:BLP policy applies. Please read that policy carefully and make the necessary changes. Jakew (talk) 20:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

But it's not a lie. Its 100% true. A mohel does not use pain killers or sanitary environments (it's performed in the person's home, not a hospital) and he is not a licensed medical professional. So it's not the least bit offensive or damaging to them because they did it. Is it offensive to say Mark David Chapman killed John Lennon? Nope. Because it's true.
 * LovelieHeart, to begin with, many mohels use pain killers and are MDs or similar medical professionals, and there's no evidence that the process is significantly more sterile in a hospital than in other environments. More importantly, though, the addition to your userpage is an unsourced, negative statement about living people, and an obvious WP:BLP violation. Please remove it immediately. Jayjg (talk) 22:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Or rather, since someone has now removed it, please do not re-add it. Jayjg (talk) 22:21, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * note - there is also a thread at the BLP noticeboard here regarding this issue. Thanks Off2riorob (talk) 22:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll give you sources that they circumcised via mohel. And no, most mohel do not have medical training. It's not required. And they are not required to use sterile instruments. I know this because I'm from a Jewish family. And many people do not find circumcision to be a negative thing. If I had simply said "They had their sons circumcised", you wouldn't be complaining. What I said was true. A mohel is not an MD. Usually OGBYNs perform circumcision in a hospital. And a sterile hospital is far better for an amputation to be performed than a house that could have mold, dust, germs, etc. Also mohels cannot use pain killers unless they are licensed professionals because you can't give an infant LA or GA. Circumcision in hospitals is often performed without LA/GA as well.


 * WP:User page sets out what types of material are suitable on user pages, and says "Pages used for blatant promotion or as a soapbox or battleground for unrelated matters are usually considered outside this criterion." ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 00:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Your comment at Talk:Circumcision
Re : Please use article talk pages to discuss article content, not to make remarks about other editors. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 00:07, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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