User talk:Lpdcxops

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Homesite Insurance


A tag has been placed on Draft:Homesite Insurance, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. Annie Kingdom (talk) 23:21, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Homesite Insurance (January 7)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Dan arndt was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


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Dan arndt (talk) 03:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Help!
Hi Dan and Annie - thank you for your feedback regarding the article I'm trying to create about Homesite Insurance. I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly (posting on my "talk" page), so hopefully this is correct. How do I contest the 'speedy deletion' recommendation? I am definitely not trying to create a promotional page, and created with content/info that I had available. And, I am trying to find additional reliable sources for my citations. Is the best way to keep this draft active by simply going in and trying to edit? Thank you for your help! Lpdcxops (talk) 16:16, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Your draft is no longer in immediate danger of being deleted, but you have a considerable amount of work to do before it is ready to become an article.
 * Your objective right now is to find the independent in-depth coverage of the company that would be needed to demonstrate that it meets Wikipedia's policy for notability of organizations and companies. That may be an uphill struggle; the references you currently have are clearly insufficient and the external links you added to the draft, perhaps with the intention that they become references, do not look any more promising. Remember that press releases, statements from the company, and routine coverage of acquisitions, partnerships, or contracts are generally discounted as not helping with notability. You need to find something more substantive.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 19:17, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank @jmcgnh for confirming the draft page is no longer in immediate danger of being deleted. Noted about the reliable sources, and I've been looking for that since I started the draft. Obviously, I'll continue to dig around for this, though agreed...uphill battle as there isn't much formal press that I know of or can find. I tried to mirror what's listed for American Family Insurance (Homesite's parent company), as they appear to reference content on their website. That said, I also tried to reference the BBB and Consumer Reports sites, which aren't actually favorable to the company. I thought I read that that can be used, but do those not qualify as reliable resources? Also, I didn't look like there is a way of saving my work without publishing, so I must have missed that in the documentation and will look again. Last question...I tried to find/use the organization logo form but had trouble with this. What am I missing? Thank you for your help as I learn how to contributing to Wikipedia works. Lpdcxops (talk) 19:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I get the impression you are missing the distinction between 'reliable sources' and 'sources which help establish notability'. You are allowed to use reliable sources fairly generally to support facts. But, all by themselves, a pile of reliable sources are not able to support notability if they do not include independent, in-depth reporting about the company. Most of the time, BBB and Consumer Reports entries about a company are raw reporting with no editorial oversight or fact-checking. That lack is a reason we would be reluctant to rely on them.
 * The American Family Insurance page was started in 2007 and has a lot of reasons why you should not try to use it as a model. It doubt it has ever been through as rigorous review as we now put AFC drafts through. There's little doubt that the company would be considered notable, so the article would likely survive a nomination at Articles for Deletion, but it has a lot of references that would be disregarded by a strict interpretation of NCOMP. Your draft does not have that history behind it; it has to stand up on its own.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 23:28, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Got it. So, it's the issue about sources for 'notability'. I'll keep digging for these sources. Thank you for your help! Lpdcxops (talk) 15:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Homesite Insurance
Hello, Lpdcxops. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Homesite Insurance, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again&#32;or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 04:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Homesite Insurance


Hello, Lpdcxops. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Homesite Insurance".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 03:00, 7 July 2022 (UTC)