User talk:Lquilter/sandbox

If you post a message here, I'll usually respond here on this page unless you ask me to reply elsewhere.

Re: Wikipedia_talk:Categorization
I very much liked your suggestion here. I've been waiting for some responses from others before I chimed in. It seems that there is little interest these days in discussions about categorization policy (the exception being WP:OCAT). I think you should write something about tagging, and post it. I don't think it will be very controversial. As for my category typing, I'm thinking we should just start doing it on a small scale, and see if it catches on. I replaced a catdiffuse tag with one of mine and there requested feedback and there was none. The true test of consensus is if changes survive. -- Samuel Wantman 21:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll start drafting, & when I have something approaching discussable, I'll repost on the page. It might be a couple of weeks -- I'm wrapping up a big work project. --lquilter 16:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies
Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of [unassessed articles] tagged with. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 21:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Literature proposal
Hey! Awadewit recommended you to me as someone who may be interested in the new Literature wikiproject. The proposal for the project is here. Please consider joining. Wrad 00:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Art for Arts sake
Ah yes - I see Category:Art awards needs either renaming to "arts", or some work (or both). Category:Performing arts awards could go straight to the "Awards by subject" cat. Most of the awards are clearly for some form of visual art, but others like the Ho-Am Prize in the Arts do cover the whole waterfront. The ideal would probably be to rename this to "Arts", then set up a "Visual art" sub-cat for painting awards etc - but that's a fair bit of work. Johnbod 15:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Shall we just create Category:Arts awards as the umbrella category>? Structure like:
 * Category:Arts awards
 * > Category:Graphic art awards
 * > Category:Literary awards
 * > Category:Music awards
 * > Category:Performing arts awards
 * > Category:Visual art awards
 * But I guess the question would be, is Category:Art awards better renamed as Category:Visual art awards? or Category:Visual arts awards?
 * (etc.)

--Lquilter 15:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The last question is just a judgement call on the amount of work involved, I think - and CfD is usually to be avoided if at all possible, especially for something like this, where possibilities for grasping the wrong end of the stick are rife, and are bound to be seized by some! I would set up a new "Arts" cat & move up the appropriate articles - I think a minority. Sub-cats like the Canadian one can just go to Arts, at least for now - it's probably OCAT to split them.
 * Category:Graphic art awards should be a subcat of the VA one, and I think may not be needed. Most of those would be for printmaking, & it could be called that. Category:Architecture awards & Category:Design awards should perhaps be included as well (now I see there is one). Music is already a sub-cat of Performing arts, so you maybe have: Arts > literary, Performing arts, Architecture, Visual arts, design.

Or put Architecture under VA, though in general it isn't so categorised in WP. I think V Arts is better here (than V art). Hope that helps. Let me know what you're doing & I'll try to lend a hand. Johnbod 16:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And now we've left out video (film/tv) ...
 * Question on graphic art awards (and graphic art generally) - what would you do with animation/anime and manga? --Lquilter 16:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I would leave them in arts, as there is a literary component. The Angoulême International Comics Festival Prize for Artwork eg should also go in VA as being specifically for artwork. I know many of these could be described as "graphic" and are, but it isn't where people would expect to find them, I think. It's not a term we categorise on much - "graphic novel" is also avoided I think. Johnbod 16:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've gone all through the articles (not the sub-cats) of Category:Art awards moving some to Category:Arts awards and elsewhere. If they have separate entries/awards for music/literature etc & are in multiple cats, I've left that. If they can award to anyone in these fields & were only in "art", they went to "Arts". Johnbod 17:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Glad to help - there's a lot of stuff there! Johnbod 21:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time &mdash; get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!

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Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes.

Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.

"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.

Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?

Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.

Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).

Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.

Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
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"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.

This month's Wiki stars
Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!!

And the Oscar goes to...
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy.

Leather and lace
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!

Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).

Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. - In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Kisses,

Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know. Delivered on 12:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC).
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Musicology cat CfD
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Also just thought I'd mention how cool it is not only to run into a librarian who is also an attorney on Wikipedia (bringing some sense to the copyright and fair-use muddle here) but also to find out she's also in Boston. Nice to make your acquaintance! Best, Myke ( -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 05:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC) )

New comments on ethnic cats
Hey, I had to take a few days off from those CFDs (I maxed out... ), but I finally went back and added my closing comments re Category:African American baseball players (most of which I also reposted at the CFD for Category:Chinese American scientists). My guess is they'll both close "No Concensus", like Category:Jewish American scientists did a few days back -- but what do I know? (I've been wrong before... ) Cgingold 16:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Susan Wood (science fiction)
To my horror, I discovered that the Susan Wood that fannish links to "Susan Wood" were going to was this Kiwi TV personality! I've banged together a rough sketch, but please add to it.-- Orange Mike 15:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Interesting discussion
Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not DGG (talk) 21:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Tx, DGG; I added some thoughts. --Lquilter (talk) 16:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Scholars and academics
Please can you consider my reply at User talk:BrownHairedGirl? Thanks! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Literature Project
It's been created! Click WP:LIT. Wrad (talk) 16:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

TFA
I have nominated A Vindication of the Rights of Men to appear on the main page on November 29, the day it was initially released. Since I know that you are interested in feminist issues, I thought you might be interested in weighing in on the debate. It is here. Awadewit | talk  02:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

PEN/Open Book cat
hi there. thanks for the suggestion. my reasoning behind not categorising PEN/Open Book as a free expression organisation is that, as far as I know, it is only a program. It's run by PEN American Center, which IS a free expression org. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tibetibet (talk • contribs) 05:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Advanced maternal age
Hi. I'm a member of WP:ORPHAN, and in my routine duties I came across this article Advanced maternal age. The article, in my opinion, touches upon some important women's issues. This article needs work, but as yet it is not part of any WikiProject. I was contacting you, hoping that you'd be able to incorporate this article into the WP:GS, so people with the right knowledge can edit it. I will also attempt to find an appropriate Biological WikiProject to contact. Thankyou. Lex Kitten (talk) 09:13, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Democracy Alliance categorization
Hi Lquilter. Thanks for question about Democracy Alliance category. What I'm trying to capture in one place by creating that category are the donors to/members of the Democracy Alliance, the organizations to which they collectively donate (to the extent that this information becomes available), and figures who are associated with the DA in some other way--political activists who float in and out, journalists and investigators who focus on the DA, etc.Buellering (talk) 14:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Buellering, I think that would be much better done in a list. Check out Categories, Lists, and Series Infoboxes for more detailed explanations about what the features of each way of presenting info.  But let me tell you why I think this.  The category just presents, basically, an alphabetically sorted list of items, but there's no indication in the category about what the relationship of each one is -- whether they're journalists & investigators who might be critical, or whether they're funders, or what.  A list of associated figures would give much better context for each entity's relationship to DA, plus allow inclusion of entities that are not themselves notable enough for an encyclopedia article, plus allow you to include references  for each one.  Plus, you can sort them in ways other than alphabetical. So, for instance, you could have "list of funders" and sort them by dollar amount, or percent of DA's funding, or both.  Does this make sense? --Lquilter (talk) 14:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)