User talk:Lstclaire

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Clarification on Parker story
This question regards the entry on Quanah Parker, Comanche chief.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quanah_Parker

Under “Early Life and Education,” it reads: “Nadua and Nocona's first child was Quanah (Fragrance), born in the Wichita Mountains. The exact birthplace is debated, but Quanah visited what he understood to be his birthplace at Laguna Sabinas (Cedar Lake) in Gaines County, Texas in his later years.[2]

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I think a better way of stating things would be something like:

"Nadua and Nocona's first child was Quanah (Fragrance), born in the Wichita Mountains. Biographer Bill Neeley cites a letter Quanah wrote late in life to his friend, rancher Charles Goodnight, in which he says, “From the best information I have, I was born about 1850 on Elk Creek just below the Wichita Mountains.” [19] Author S.C. Gwynne supports the Oklahoma claim in his 2010 book, Empire of the Summer Moon: Quanah Parker and the Rise and Fall of the Comanches, the Most Powerful Indian Tribe in American History. [3]

However, the exact birthplace is debated. An early account contends Parker was born at Laguna Sabinas (Cedar Lake) in Gaines County, Texas. [2]

Notes:

19. Page 32

3. Pages 13, 196

2. Clyde L. and Grace Jackson, Quanah Parker, Last Chief of the Comanches; a Study in Southwestern Frontier History, New York, Exposition Press [1963] p. ?

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OK, left me explain a couple things. First, I suggest changing Note No. 2 to the Jackson book from the TSHA Handbook of Texas, because it’s a better reference for the Texas birth claim. Besides, the same TSHA link is listed under “Recommended reading anyway.”

Like I said, I’m not real clear on doing the markup, etc. So on Note 19, I suggest adding page 32 for the Neeley reference, and pages 13 and 196 for the Gwynne references. I didn’t know how to fit them in with the existing notes.

Thanks for your help. Lstclaire (talk) 17:14, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Notes are added to the article by placing them between "ref" tags like this .  The text between the tags will be automatically added to the notes section.  So for your first example for instance, note 19, find the note you want to edit in the notes section.  Click on the caret (^) next to the number.  This will take you to the place in the article were the note is embedded.  Click on the "edit" link for that section (Death).  Find the relevant ref tags and amend the information (adding page number in this case).  Click "Save page".  Check the page has turned out how you intended and you're done.


 * If you need to refer to the same footnote in more than one place you will need to give it a name. See Help:Footnotes for more information on this.  Spinning  Spark  17:39, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have moved this conversation over to your talk page as mine can get busy. Just reply here if you need more information, I will see it.  Spinning  Spark  17:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm just not getting exactly how this works. A couple more questions:

What I would like to do is replace the existing Note No. 2 with another one. If I simply change the existing ref tags to reflect the new source (and delete the old source under No. 2), will the note remain as No. 2?

On Notes 3 and 19, I'm referencing them earlier (higher up) in the article than they currently are. Should I just copy the ref tags from the later references and use them?

Thanks. Lstclaire (talk) 04:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You don't need to worry about the numbering, the wikiengine will automatically assign numbers. You just place the ref tags (with the citation text inbetween) at the place in the article you want the little blue number to appear.  The wikiengine will assign a number and add the text to the notes section.  If all you do is change the text between the tags of an existing citation then it will remain at the same number.


 * If you are going to reuse notes 3 and 19 elsewhere in the article then copying them to the new location will work, but it has the disadvantage that the same citation will then appear multiple times in the notes section. A better way of doing this is to give the reference a name.  For instance, you might give the name foo to a citation with the text foobar.  At the place where the original citation is in the article you should format it as  .  To reuse that citation, use the format , that is, just the name of the citation, not all of the text.  You can reuse it as many times as necessary, the wikiengine will assign the same number to all occurences.


 * For completely new citations you might find it easier to use the citation wizard, which you can access by pressing the "cite" button when you are in the edit window.


 * Just give it a try. You can't break anything that can't be quickly put right by reverting the page.  Use the "show preview" button before "save page" to check it is all ok.  You can also experiment in your sandbox first if you prefer.  Spinning  Spark  10:41, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Clarification completed, I think
Well, I worked at it a little more, using your guidance, and I posted it. It's now at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quanah_Parker. The changes are those I wrote about earlier. I used the "foo" technique (so to speak) and it appears to have worked. Could you take a look at it and let me know what you think?

Thanks! Lstclaire (talk) 19:54, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks fine to me. I don't really know anything about the subject though.  Feel free to ask if you need help with anything else.  Spinning  Spark  18:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help. I don't plan to be doing a lot of editing, but I'm pretty familiar with this topic and felt I could contribute something. All I needed was some guidance on the technical aspects, and you provided that. So again, many thanks for the assistance. Lstclaire (talk) 19:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)