User talk:Lucia Black/Archive 5

hello
Hello Lucia forgives the bother but I am new in wikipedia I want to ask him as I can join the WikiProject Anime and manga Greetings --RLR123 (talk) 18:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * You dont need to ask to Join, its open to everyone. You can identify yourself as a member by pasting this onto your user page.Lucia Black (talk) 18:51, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Your removal at Ghost in the Shell
Please do not revert productive and constructive edits as you did at Ghost in the Shell, I am in the process of updating it, and if you must take issue with the content itself please discuss it on the talk page. This page is for the media franchise, not the manga. They are different subjects and are to be treated as such. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I put back the manga page... I was wondering why it was absent... ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:45, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Again. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 21:02, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Again. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 21:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I do not need notifications.Lucia Black (talk) 21:25, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Ghost in the Shell
Hello, I undid you revert of ChrisGualitieri for the under construction tag removal. If a user wants to identify that they have the intentions to improve an article, it a best to assume faith and leave the tag present. Now secondly I advised Chris on the actions to take upon moving the nominator from on hold to failed as the article is not near a good quality for that status. Thirdly your opening of a RfC was inappropriate and the first cause of action should have been an actual discussion with Chris or getting a third party to review. John F. Lewis (talk) 23:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

January 2013
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Ghost in the Shell/GA1, you may be blocked from editing. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:25, 4 January 2013 (UTC) - Removed, it appears accidental on second view. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 06:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The discussion was posted in the talkage of the main article, not GAN. I was merely going to move it there. I will not be blocked for a misunderstanding.Lucia Black (talk) 23:27, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You removed my post, it was proper there. You should not remove other people's posts. Oh and it was at the GA the whole time. So I don't know why you are moving it anyways.ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The diff here shows it. You removed my comment from the review page.ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This matter is starting to get out of hand. Chris has the intention to work on the article, no consensus is needed nor is a specific number of editors. Please leave the tag in place until Chris as finished as it serves as a source of information to other editors. John F. Lewis (talk) 00:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:20, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

FLCL merge
Do me a favor and post this to the Anime page, I can't believe this merge proposal has sat on an FL for this long. Your reasoning is right, so it won't be canvassing to discuss this at the relevant wikiproject. I can't close it as no consensus, but I just made a case for what should be done instead. That banner is an eyesore to me... ChrisGualtieri (talk) 06:33, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Universe continuity
Alright, seriously, explain YOUR version of the continuity because it is completely different from mine then. The manga has the SAC cast in it, it also takes place before SAC and while much can be said of artistic interpretation the canon material from the manga to the SAC flows pretty easily. Even more so that Motoko's behavior and abilities compliment her 'marriage' and merge with the 2501. It actually put Oshii-san's interpretation with the movie out by focusing on the case, and the rest has members of the Section 9 featured. And Section 9 disbanded in 2029 after Motoko's little stunt in the manga, but the rest is as your know. How about explaining your deal with it, because you deny all day, but you don't support anything. SAC is based on the manga after all. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

To put it simply: Manga=Fuchikomas, SAC= Tachikomas, Film series= No fuchikoma nor Tachikoma.

But to be more complex:, SAC series has an established timeline, just because each episode is different plot, doesnt mean its not linear. The established timeline for SAC is 1st=2030, 2nd season=2032, TV-film=2034. Within that timeframe Motoko Kusagani leaves section9 in 2032 and returns in the TV film but not completely. In which the manga she left in 2030 and she merged with the Puppeteer (making it obvious that the manga and the SAC series are not one in the same because by 2030, Motoko wouldnt be in the series). The interpretations differ even further: Characters such as Yano, and Azuma, they appear alonside eachother as rookies in SAC 2nd Gig but the manga shows Yano in the first manga and died before they even showed him alive, and Azuma appears almost as Motoko's replacement in Ghost in the Shell 1.5 manga.

Mamoru Oshii's condensed the series not only on the case but the timeline. In the manga, each chapter has a date and the events of "Robot Rondo" (and you can tell by the date in the chapter being 2029 and the Puppeteer merger in 2030) happened before the merge of Kusanagi and the Puppeteer, however that story happened after the merge in the film sequal: Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence and adds further differentiations with Motoko/puppeteer together. Plus fuchikoma dont exist in the film series.

I can go on about every single difference but these are the ones that make it obvious.


 * I'm sensing a lot of Oshii issues, that's exactly what I point out. Though SAC is also based on it, but the universe is still basically the same.. and Yano's death is a good difference, but its not really that major when you compare it to Gundam. If you want to go with the whole timeline style spin, then why not, but SAC itself could be split up as well if you wanted to be all super precise, multiple authors and such. It is still, by all accounts, the same 'universe' when compared to others. Even Tengen did an alt ending, Evangelion manga and anime and movies... need I say more? Those are all the same Universe. Different tellings, but really, if you want to split hairs I guess you can split hairs. Neon Genesis Evangelion is also the media franchise. So its not helping your argument about media franchises, (we can say that it stays by this point, right?), but for the point of wording... I'll let you word it as you wish. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Alternate endings are different from alternate storylines. What I'm saying whatever is introduced in SAC stays in SAC, for example: World War III and IV. That was only in Stand Alone Complex. look at character articles of NGE, they each separate the continuities because each one is different. Neon Genesis Evangelion is a poor article that needs an overhaul. SAC is based on Ghost in the shell manga, and the same for the films but not in the sense that the story. Tenchi muyo is also a poor article and deserves an overhaul aswell. Ghost in the Shell is different in the sense each series has its own article.Lucia Black (talk) 04:18, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Activeanime discussion
FYI, I have opened up a discussion regarding the use of ActiveAnime as a reliable source at WT:ANIME. Also, just so you are aware, there's an RfC on Niemti here. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Adventure Time
I just resurrected the articles for Finn and Jake. Any chance that you would like to help me make them into proper articles like I did with Marceline? It does seem weird only having a character article for her. Anyway, the articles are really just stubs right now, but that could soon change.--Gen. Quon (Talk)   06:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It might take a while to get good replies
But I did post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Editor Retention. Best wishes to you. If you have specific questions you could ask me at my talk page. Biosthmors (talk) 22:21, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'm dealing with a discussion now where I think reason isn't being applied well! So I know how you feel. Biosthmors (talk) 22:24, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh ok thanks. What gets me the most is i habe potential to make GA-class articles but i have to constantly drop personal projects.Lucia Black (talk) 22:28, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * So you think the bar is too high? Biosthmors (talk) 22:42, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The issues just never get enough attention is what im saying.Lucia Black (talk) 00:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * We are definitely a work in progress! So there's always something not getting enough attention... I'm trying to do my best to further us along, while I can. =) I'm sorry if it's gotten to the point where things are unenjoyable. It's your choice to quit, take an extended break, or whatever you want to do. I don't know much about the content area you work in, or anything specific that's been troubling you. Do you care to share more details? Biosthmors (talk) 01:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Its clear that it could get enough attention but it doesnt. Im working on Ghost in the Shell. I posted the issue at WP:ANIME. It needs review on those who are an expert on the subject:Ghost in the Shell. The massive changes were due to a fan claiming to be an expert but suddenly proved nothing as claiming to have hundred of sources but provided none, splitting the original media away from the main article and disappeared after he got what he wanted, which was to merge all media (regardless if its secondary media) onto the main article making it overly redundant and somewhat closer to WP:SYNTHESIS.


 * The problem is in WP:ANIME is that there is a simple vote count and they dont attemptnto reason or discuss and i take it personally because i KNOW their actice and other discussions get an instant view. Making my work even harder.Lucia Black (talk) 22:56, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Your recent changes to Ghost in the Shell appear to have been accepted so far! I'm guessing WP:SPLIT might be the issue of most contention, at this point? Biosthmors (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Until the same editor claiming to be well experienced returns. Thats the problem, i can easily rearrange this to the way i want but i wantmy contributions to stick. If i do any more editing that goes further into my goal, then itlk be considered WP:POINT.Lucia Black (talk) 21:44, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Tables
In this article yu-gi-oh I made a table and it seems that you have deleted it. Is there a reason why can't it be there? --Oskars Čaikovskis (talk) 23:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

You mean the 3 separate ones? --Oskars Čaikovskis (talk) 23:45, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

It's not a big deal, but when you go on wikipedia, almost every page about a franchise has a table like that. Why is this an exception? --Oskars Čaikovskis (talk) 16:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Your post
I read your post on the Anime project's page, and I'm sorry that you don't feel welcomed. It sounds like you're feeling very frustrated right now. I hope you feel better. Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 19:48, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You also have my deepest sympathies, Lucia. I hope you feel better. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It really means alot to me. For now, im just going to focus on other articles and see how it goes.Lucia Black (talk) 06:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I guess that's fair enough. Best wishes, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Award for you
You have my thanks. I will continue the good work, and I hope we can work together on many other pages. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:17, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Youre welcome. And yeah sounds good.Lucia Black (talk) 20:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

FYI
Hello. Just so you are aware, I've started an RfC subpage on Requests for comment/Niemti at Requests for comment/Niemti/Additional Evidence. If you have the time, can you provide some evidence there? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:34, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Motion to close RFC/U
You have previously commented on Requests_for_comment/Niemti.

As an outside editor, I have moved that this RFC/U be closed. If you wish to comment on the Motion to close, please do so  here. Fladrif (talk) 14:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Warning
No consensus was reached. An agreement between only two people is not a consensus. If you have issue with my edits than start a discussion on it rather than blindly reverting them. Consider this a warning before I report you for inappropriate behaviour. This is not the first time I've witnessd you stubbornly reverting on this page. --G-Zay (talk) 20:38, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: a different focus
I will take your advice, for the time being. By the way, can you describe more clearly what you would like done with Final Fantasy Dimensions? I know I've done a lot of plot fixes and additions over the past few months (I think), but I can't clearly see what's wrong with this one. Unless it's the fact that it seems to tail off rather abruptly. --ProtoDrake (talk) 07:29, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at it and reading through it, yes. I see what you mean. I will do my best, but portable games aren't really my strong point. to be frank, I'm best with the Fabula Nova Crystallis series. But never mind. I will at least do copy-editing on this article. The grammar is quite bad (and if you were the one who wrote it, no offense meant, it was just a fact from my POV). --ProtoDrake (talk) 07:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Calm Down
Would you calm down a bit? I hadn't been on Wikipedia since I reverted you, so I hadn't even realized there was a discussion. (Come on, what was it, like 10 hours ago only?) Furthermore, I left a pretty clear edit summary, so its not like I didn't discuss at all either. Now, I'll respond on the Sonic series template talk page, but yikes, tone it down some... Sergecross73  msg me   10:42, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * So, don't worry, I have no intention of continuing our discussion other than notifying you that I am an admin, since the things you were saying before sounded like you thought I wasn't. That's all. Sergecross73   msg me   23:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Izno and GITS template
Would you please make a statement on the formatting on the template to Izno? He believes that because you edited the template in the form that he preferred that it is your opinion that you also prefer that form because you did not revert the edit that he made (he took the SAC episode list link out of the parentheses).— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 02:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
This message is being sent to you let you know of a discussion at the Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You do not need to participate however, you are invited to help find a resolution. The thread is "Ghost in the Shell, Talk:Ghost in the Shell". Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! EarwigBot  operator /  talk  15:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Notification
Hi, Lucia. I know you are understandably upset over the Wikipedia-related situation with the GITS article and issues with other users. I am so sorry if I have caused you or any other users any trouble, and I know you don't want to be blocked for this matter, so please don't get stressed out when dealing with difficult users. Per our no personal attack policy. "Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done. When in doubt, comment on the article's content without referring to its contributor at all." Also, per this policy, "serious accusations require serious evidence". Also, please note that when someone has asked you not to post on their talk page, you really shouldn't unless you have to. Continuing to post on others talk page after being asked not to violates the Wikipedia policy of harassment, see WP:HUSH. If you have concerns about a user's behavior, take it up to a noticeboard like WP:ANI or WP:AN and provide your evidence (i.e. diffs) there, or discuss things constructively (but do watch out for the WP:BOOMERANG effect). If you want to let off some steam, please take a step back from the computer and come back when you feel refreshed. Also, remain civil in discussion. Discuss changes on the talk page if one reverts you. Otherwise, you will end up being blocked for edit warring and worst of all, you don't want to be violating WP:3RR. Since Wikipedia works by consensus, discussion is necessary between other users and consensus can change. Just calm down. Okay? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Lucia, noticed people are being troublesome. I have had many contentious arguments with other users over the years, and Sjones is right, we need to keep cool. Also, if users are bothering you, remember they are usually bothering other people too, and a point will come where they have annoyed too many people to ignore and will be dealt with. You don't have to shoulder the burden of getting ride of them, or fixing their mistakes alone. I bide my time, and am usually able to fix mistakes others make, but it takes some time and some laying low. I need you here also to help with Wikiproject Square Enix, so out of the boxing ring with you! :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:36, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Final Fantasy Adventure
I put it up at GA nomination. We should add the Nintendo Power stuff, and can we cut the Japanese links we used from the talk page to do? I don't know which ones were used, my Japanese is rusty! And finally, I have a link to a 1993 famitsu scan, and the author says its a top ten best gameboy games list with FFA listed in it, do you know Japanese? Does it say that? If we could site famitsu, we will be golden for GA. Here's the link. FamitsuJudgesurreal777 (talk) 01:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No I don't know japanese. I recognize the characters, find them in the katakana or hiragana article and manually find the characters to put in google translate. I usually ask for help if its a video page for translations because it provides no letters. I'm unsure, but if a blogsite provides actual magazine, I doubt their lying. I see the purple sectioning mention both 5 and GBA. So I could look them up but I don't think its an innacurate translation. Both blog seems consistent on the top 5 GBA games.Lucia Black (talk) 01:33, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd appreciate it if you could just give it a cursory check, I don't want to be wrong about this :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. Ill get back to you ASAP.Lucia Black (talk) 02:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Farewell
I am sending this message to the users who I have closely collaborated with. I will be taking a temporary Wikibreak for at least 5-7 days to let off some steam and get myself reenergized. Some of the stress has got to me, so I think it's best if I should take a couple of days off. I also have final exams coming up as well, so I have more important things to worry about. I, however, will be here to contribute to some articles that I have worked on. Until then, farewell. With my very best and warmest regards, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Anime and manga Project
Would you consider coming back to help out? It has almost been two months now and I feel that your input has been useful on the articles. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I've been mainly discussing to reech consensus and non controversial edits but nowhere near full expansion just to test the waters. What do you need help with?Lucia Black (talk) 22:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Oda Mari (talk) 07:31, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

SAC
What are your thoughts on merging Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. 2nd GIG to Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex and then just having the 2nd GIG episode list at the 2nd GIG article?— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 05:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The main SAC article is really packed. I doubt we can merge them both together considering that their length and how distinct the plots and reception.Lucia Black (talk) 06:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem there's that much on the 2nd GIG page though.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 17:13, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm all for the merge if we don't have to cut info and the article won't be so heavy. But right now I can't imagine a good cosise article without cutting a lot of info. That would have to relate to the plot, and then related media. Ill support the merge, but only because the S.A.C. 2nd Gig isn't the most grounded articles of Gits. But if more info can be found for 2nd Gig, then we can attempt to split (with consensus of course).Lucia Black (talk) 19:31, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Cease your merging efforts for now, the matter is at DRN and I treat all topics, broadly, under GITS to be related. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Did I ask for your opinion?— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 23:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

You treat them too broadly. And I have no plans to merge anything.Lucia Black (talk) 21:11, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

"THE GHOST IN THE SHELL" is the Japanese subtitle for part 1.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 15:48, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Your only proof is cover art. The cover also has masamune shirow in english and Japanese, should we say masamune was considered as "Masamune Shirow 士郎 正宗"? Here's an example, Eureka Seven in Japan has its english title as "Psalm of Planets: Eureka seveN" despite the kanji being read differently. Detective Conan is also one. Same thing for Sailor Moon. Its not known as "Pretty Gaurdian 美少女戦士セーラー ムーン" and Fullmetal Alchemist in japan isn't known as " 美少女戦士セーラー ムーン Fullmetal Alchemist" (except for FMA:Brotherhood but that's sourced).Lucia Black (talk) 15:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's also all these results in Google, the Japanese Wikipedia entry, every cover for part 1. It's not the translation of "Kokaku Kidotai" and it's not harming anything by leaving it in the damn article. You are being as bad as Chris right now.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 16:25, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Of course its not the translation, but its the english intended title, not part of the Japanese one. Japanese wiki isn't a reliable source. And the harm is innacuracy. You only have cover art.Lucia Black (talk) 17:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As bad as me? I see how it is. Considering neither of you seem to be able to read Kanji and clearly do not understand the multiple readings, why do you continue on? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but there's no way in hell that 攻殻機動隊 literally translates as "The Ghost in the Shell". And Lucia, if both the Japanese and English forms are given in regards to the Japanese release (note that 2 and 1.5 only have "MANMACHINE INTERFACE" and "HUMAN-ERROR PROCESSER" on their covers and not "THE GHOST IN THE SHELL" it stands to reason that the subtitle of the first volume is "THE GHOST IN THE SHELL".— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 19:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that; check with your dictionary on the multiple meanings and interpretations, its clever ain't it? I won't tell you what they specifically mean, because the only way you'll find out is by learning for yourself. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Look, I'm not going to determine what the kanji says (some sources state Kokaku can also be translated as "Ghost Shell" but I'm not going to verify that). And that's not really the issue Chris. What is the issue is what is considered part of the Japanese title. Just because its on the cover doesn't mean its part of the Japanese title. And sometimes japanese sites add the intended english title but its not officially part of the Japanese one. I have not found a single first party/second party source mentioning "The Ghost in the Shell" as part of the Japanese. these things have to be verified thoroughly. Many Japanese covers use english titles intended for english release, example: Detective Conan/Case closed situation.

These things have to be verified. Here's an example: Kodansha nor any retail site has it with "the Ghost in the Shell". The "cover" doesn't prove anything.Lucia Black (talk) 20:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I swear... even when I agree with you, you still argue with me. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What????? I'm not even saying anything against you.Lucia Black (talk) 20:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

A friendly warning to you about Versus XIII
I just thought you aught to know, Final Fantasy Versus XIII is under threat. It's one of the user IP numbers that seems to be G-Zay. This one is 92.18.158.199: he/she put in a whole lot of unnecessary info about Versus XIII in there. Sound familiar? I've reverted it, and done a little extra editing alongside that, but I thought you aught to know. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll look into it.Lucia Black (talk) 08:29, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

GITS
A focused and clean discussion of the future of the article is underway, because you made comments on Ghost in the Shell I am notifying you for your input in the debate. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!
Thanks. I will remember this.Lucia Black (talk) 05:26, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

ANI
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Versus: What's going on here now?
I don't want to appear critical or hostile, but why did you delete that whole raft of referenced material that had been cut down to the bone by a user who only wants to help? On top of that, you did not seem to see that someone had put in stuff about VGleaks and used fansite Nova Crystallis as a reference again (not a G-Zay puppet, I checked). Orphaned refs have needed to be salvaged and it looks more like something that has had a hatchet taken to it in a wild rage than anything carefully thought out. You didn't even give your reason. I'm not siding with anything G-Zay did in saying this, but your actions do not seem to add up to me. So...why? --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:13, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, that was me being churlish. Sorry if I'm sounding offensive. Just was a bit of a shock. I guess you must have had your reasons and it's not really for me to inquire in the tone I used. --ProtoDrake (talk) 22:31, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I took a nap. Sorry abiut tht. Didnt see the orphaned refs. Anyways. Sorry if it was too much of a nuesance.

Harassment
Read WP:HARRASS. I am notifying you that your reversion of my removal of your off-topic comments on my talk page is harassment and I will not tolerate it. Talk pages are quite suitable for discussing editor behaviour, but not for debating issues that properly belong on the talk page of the relevant article or template. Keep your unwanted and irrelevant comments off my talk page in future. --RexxS (talk) 01:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Why do you have these.odd ideas of wikipedia. Stop calling people troll and keep.your personal ideas to yourself. I informed you for a misunderstanding. Dont bother.Lucia Black (talk) 02:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In to Template talk:Track listing, you altered the meaning of my talk page comment. There is a clear injunction at WP:TPO "Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning, even on your own talk page." I now request that you revert yourself immediately, or I shall seek to have you topic-banned from that page for disruptive editing. --RexxS (talk) 07:08, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * its a typo. Caused by smartphones, i recently upgraded and it messes with what im typing. Calm down. Stop assuming others are trolls (especialy when youre arguing over subjective personal preferences over necesities).Lucia Black (talk) 09:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

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ANI
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May 2013
Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. ''You haven't said the nicest things to User:ChrisGualtieri. You claim he attacked you, well prove it! He provided several examples, you didn't. Please don't attack. Thanks. '' WorldTraveller101(Trouble?/My Work) 20:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Yip sock
I've removed the sock template from this page. Was confirmed as WP:LTA Jonathan Yip who has a repeated problem of actual trolling. The bad English, the claims, Lucia - like others before her - was targeted unfairly for the sake of drama. While I may be involved in a etc.)it of a dispute with Lucia, she is clearly not a troll and would not stoop to blatant meatpuppetry or sockpuppeteering. Please do not reinsert the template; because this little 'episode' only serves to feed JY. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:24, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for persistent disruptive editing. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Drmies (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It should have been clear to you that aspects of your editing are deemed disruptive; this is just another example: you blatantly change the meaning of someone else's comment, and you can't do that. Drmies (talk) 05:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually its not. The issue of WP:BATTLE, WP:AGF, and WP:NPA are not relevant. That ANI is purely based on the fact that I compromised another editors way to being an Admin, and I can prove it. For one, the "personal attacks" was when the "accuser" was involved. Despite most of the issues being of the accuser. The other factors were completely off with personal attacks. Comenting on "content, not on editors" is impossible for ANI. ANI is meant to discuss the editor. Assuming good faith doesnt always work. Theres history here. Even the sockpuppet (despite the fact that it was a sock, this sock had no involvement whatsoever with me, it proves that this editor who is accusing me is the same editor poisoning the discussion and falsely accusing of personal attack and forgets this editor has the exact same issues. The only thing thats different is that Im having difficulty for actually proving it with links and the not so occasional accidental edit. The only thing that ANI proves is an editor having their last straw with me, not that this edit was the last straw of disruptive "persistent" edits and deserved Immediate blocking. The warning was received by RexxS, but again, if one is to assume good faith, dont you think editing another persons edit should be leave an editor to assume good faith by thinking it was an accident, especially if it has already been addressed with difficulty?

Drmies even addressed that there was little to no action, but changed when I dismissed the ANI. Now the block was imediate without AGF.

This being the last straw isnt that good. The blocking has to be done when it cant be avoided. Which is why ive requested unblocking 3 times. The first rejected by irrelevant matters while the second based on my anger which ironically fueled by this wrongfully block.

Ive reported the accuser 3 times, but uts a matter of which admin actually wants to keep tabs. And this is a sloppy way of keeping tabs because what you state is "the last straw" is incredibly minor and fixable. It was very rushed, and doesnt even give one to explain. This unblock request is completely on principle.Lucia Black (talk) 04:29, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Impersonator
Hey, Lucia, I just wanted to give you a heads up: earlier, the impostor User:Lucia Block started an ANI thread in your name. Not to worry, I've closed the thread and blocked the impostor. Cheers! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:21, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The impostor had me confused. &mdash;  Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 16:03, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Im sorry if I made you mad, only trying to make both sides happy.

Prabash ''' What?  00:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC) 

Grrrr....just STOP! youre not going to make both sides happy. Because the only way to make one side happy is to make the other recognize their faults and apologize for them. I hate that editor, and I hate that editor with a passion. I see that editors name on my talkpage and I see red.Lucia Black (talk) 00:38, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
WorldTraveller101BreaksFixes 01:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

ANI Notice
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A cookie for you!

 * Thank you. Im on a 2 week wikibreak however. Ill be back soon.Lucia Black (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Good luck with your wikibreak. :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Adventure time
Could you add the Quoted information from the to do list on the talk page? I'm not exactly sure how to phrase it's inclusion, and it could be nice to cite a magazine like Famitsu that was from the time. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:42, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ok.Lucia Black (talk) 00:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * actually I need the ISSN #, the release date and all that before adding citation. So ill look into that.Lucia Black (talk) 00:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What's the title? I'll grab it for you. I'm bored right now. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I dont remember, theres only a link to the image at the talkpage. Its from some blog. Famitsu BEST...thats all I got, not even a page number.Lucia Black (talk) 00:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The blog said it was from 1993 I believe, perhaps that helps... Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You sure it wasn't from 91年4月19日? The title is ドラクエ、FFをブッとばせ！ And this seems to say it is after the table of contents. You'll have to pull it from an archive or something, but I'd bet that would be it. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

No its not that one. This one was called Famitsu Best and featured 4 other gameboy games. The other three were ff legend, I forgot the other.Lucia Black (talk) 05:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay; I'll do more digging, but I don't have enough knowledge to find an expert in Japanese that probably could post a scan. I'll see what turns up though... ChrisGualtieri (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

GA Review
Hello Lucia!

I'd just like to drop you a note that I am currently reviewing Final Fantasy Dimensions for its GA status. Please give me some time as I am a bit busy now. But I will do it soon :) -- (T) Numbermaniac (C) 08:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok.Lucia Black (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Hopefully this is a stepping stone for more.Lucia Black (talk) 07:54, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion threads
I’m aware that you edit and discuss on Wikipedia on your phone. But I’m sure that your phone has the ability to input colon characters. Please indent your Talk page comments per the Talk page guidelines, as it does help readability: it makes it more clear that a comment is a reply, and it shows what it’s replying to. Thank you. —Frungi (talk) 18:23, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but it takes more time. You know how many edit conflicts have been done because I was trying to be too accurate? Ill try more often, but I will attempt to break the indent every now and then.Lucia Black (talk) 18:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Lucia, .— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 01:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

DragonBall Z edits
Hi! I deleted the page because we don't keep sandbox copies like that to edit, especially not with reasons such as another user refusing any edits to the page. I would honestly recommend trying to talk to the other user rather than create another page just for you to edit. If the person is claiming complete ownership of the page, then you might want to bring in a third opinion or go to the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and open up a discussion there. This just wasn't a good way to create the page. I can put a copy in your userspace, (and I've done so at User:Lucia Black/Dragon Ball Z) where you can work on it until there is a consensus on whether or not to create a separate section for DBZ. Creating sandboxes in the mainspace just isn't really a good or viable option for this, especially when the reason is because you say someone else is claiming ownership of the article. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC) I beg to differ. And I doubt I can get such an administrative action based on the fact that theres two sandboxes. This wasnt really meant to be the main article. I think WP is stepping their ground a bit when it comes to sandboxes. Even if one claimed it wasnt necessary. Speedy delete shouldnt be an option and I dont think G6 should apply to sandboxes.Lucia Black (talk) 08:19, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * And as Ryulong said, we don't need an alternate copy just because there's an issue between editors. If you can't work with a user, go work it through the administrator incident board and get a third opinion into it. We don't need alternate copies of articles, especially not if the only reason is because there are present issues with a user claiming ownership. That's sort of creating a mainspace copy in bad faith, even if the other person is operating in what looks to be bad faith or is at least acting in a misguided but good faith fashion. (Two wrongs don't make a right as the saying goes.) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * But the thing is, subsections in main articles is greatly GREATLY discouraged. Partially because they've been so depreciated. It's much, much more feasible to create something in the userspace and go from there. The thing about Chris's version is that he created his in his userspace. You created one in the mainspace. There's a big difference there. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I think theres too much jniversal preference in wikipedia. I dont see the issue, even if they are discouraged, that shouldnt mean their unallowed. Ill be proposing open-sandboxes to be allowed, similar to a page incubator. Having user-based sandboxes is too difficult. Amd how is one get admin action on someones personal page? I dont understand this issue at all....Lucia Black (talk) 08:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want to propose them, then feel free. It's just that subpages are greatly discouraged on Wikipedia and lately there's been more of a move to eliminate them in general, so I honestly doubt that you'll get much support as far as sandboxes within the mainspace goes. For the type of thing you're suggesting, they're really not an option at all and are considered to be inappropriate. Part of this is because these types of subpages are often mistaken to be official pages when they're not, even if they have something along the lines of "sandbox" or "test" in the title. Now as far as userspace goes, it's harder to get those deleted. Other than taking something to WP:MfD, the only way to really get something deleted it to either abandon it or make it so promotional that it could be speedied as such. However when you get to the MfD discussions, most times it takes a lot for a person's subpage to be deleted. I won't say it's impossible because it is possible for one to be deleted, but it's pretty darn hard to get a userpage deleted if the person holding it shows a willingness to work on the entry and isn't breaking any rules (promotion, attack page, etc). Tokyogirl79  (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What I'm mostly suggesting mediation for is for the discussion on the talk page at the DB article. Right now what I'd recommend is that you use the userspace copy in your userspace to make any edits you might want to make to the article. Work on it for right now. If consensus keeps the previous results (not to have a separate page in the mainspace for DBZ) then just continue to work on the page in your userspace until/if the point comes where the consensus says otherwise. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   09:02, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * For the sake of redundancy, that sandbox version has no appropriate history and would need to be merged into the history of the real thing if it ever gets to that. One more thing, and it's related to this: Lucia, Chris has asked you to stay off his talk page, here. You responded nonetheless, here, with a lengthy argument pace your first sentence in that post. I will say that Chris would have done better to just tell you to stay away without belaboring the point, but that they didn't want you on his talk page is clear. You have no option but to respect that; if you don't, I will (or any other admin can) block you for it. As for your comment to him, "Dont bring me up and try to undermind, belittle, or defame me again" (in that last post), giving criticism is not undermining, belittling, or defamation. If you believe that to be the case, to the point of a personal attack, you must bring that up at ANI, for instance. Please stay away from his talk page. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you. Lol, but I hardly consider it random. But I accept. Thank you.Lucia Black (talk) 20:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps "Unexpected" is better, I did not expect you to help so much and pick up my slack when I was busy and do all that copyediting. :) It also had a smiley face. Perhaps we can work on 4 warriors of light, or the dimensions character article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm already working on 4 heroes of light. Ill also be working on dimensions character.Lucia Black (talk) 01:59, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Catalogue Number
Having the number in the track listing does no harm, it provides further information. You dislike my choice to include it, fair enough. At that point you removed and I reverted. Per etiquette instead of reverting, you should take it to the talk page as what you are describing is a matter of opinion and not supported by a consensus or guideline. Reverting me back is simply inflaming the situation and crap judgement. You should start a discussion and educate others as to why you think it should be removed. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  23:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Your the first to actually care about catalogue number. Still, the tracklist is meant to be a tracklist, not a universal album info. (Relates to WHY I dont think artist parameter would actually benefit the goals of granularity and microformats). Its best suited in the infobox or not at all. Its too trivial to add especially in the tracklist. your ideology on tracklist is too much of "why not" but the headline is meant to help disambiguate between chapters. This is reason why we look for first edition ISBNs for books and even then kept only in the infobox unless its a list of chapters, and even then its not multiple ISBNs for a single volume within the listLucia Black (talk) 23:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Not what it seems
That last obnoxious user that left you a message was not who you probably thought it was. It was an impersonation account. It wasn't Andy. I've indef blocked them. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  23:06, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I know. I put my talkpage in my watchlist to see If this editor continues to impersonate other editors that I have conflict with. Lucia Black (talk) 05:53, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Feel free to ping me if another drops by. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  10:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Anime Episode list style
Hi, I was hoping to have your opinion for List of Persona 4: The Animation episodes. At first, I didn't care since it wasn't doing harm, but now there is Devil Survivor 2: The Animation and soon Danganronpa: The Animation to follow. There is something wrong with the Persona 4 list and multiple users have bought it up and been shot down. Before I bring this up to the anime wikiproject, I want to see your opinion if there is some sound argument to bring up on why that format shouldn't be used. Thanks for the time. DragonZero ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 09:51, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Other than the fact that the episode summaries are too long, the list somehow divides into sections which seems unnecessary, but I guess its to compensate for the long summary. The opening paragraph could possibly be summarized and better worded. Too much use of the word "unique". I dont see any discussion about it in the talkpage tho other than the summaries being too long. Ill make a new discussion, there if you like.Lucia Black (talk) 15:54, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The discussion at at Persona 4. Currently, there isn't a strong enough argument for me to bring this up, so I'll let this drop. DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 21:12, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I brought it up in the list talk page. If more editors get involved, opinions and reason become stronger. Only 1 editor is in the pattern of the dispute seems to occur yearly.Lucia Black (talk) 21:37, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hang on a second, I wrote Devil Survivor 2: The Animation with Danganronpa: The Animation soon to follow. The reason for this was that I followed the "trend" in the Persona 4: The Animation article, since there wasn't a lot of information on DS2's production available. I had hoped to turn Devil Survivor into a List class article but again, because of P4A and not wanting to create yet another article, this happened. Can you please explain the problem (besides the long summaries which I'll be getting too) so fixes can be made immediately before it repeats in Danganronpa?  Talk 21:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the issue is mainly the plot summaries. Unsure if the table of content is necessary, small but relevant issues I believe.Lucia Black (talk) 21:55, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello again Kirtz. The issue here is that they should be episode lists instead of anime franchise articles, so it should be list of ... episodes. I'll use Devil Survivor 2: The Animation as an example which doesn't exemplify accessibility and structure Wikipedia should have. I would've discussed this with you but as far as I know, it isn't against policies since it complies with work in progress.  DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 22:10, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Then we merge them back to the main article until the need to split is more apparent. Unless you mean we make list of X episodes only, which would be an incredibly doffocult thing to propose. The list is part of the anime series. Its hard to cover it as a stand alone list.Lucia Black (talk) 22:15, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Alright lets see what we've got, the main problem here is the way the articles mainly Persona 4: The Animation, Devil Survivor 2: The Animation and Danganronpa: The Animation are structured, in that they should have been List-Class rather than franchises from the beginning right? Since Danganronpa: The Animation is in it's infancy a simply restructuring should suffice as well as a naming Move since there isnt much information in the article at present. One other thing, should the information in the infoboxes be moved to the parent articles, for instance Devil Survivor 2: The Animation's infobox --> Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2's infobox? The reason for this is that I feel that I should take responsibility for at least the two articles I created rather than having others work out the error in my judgment of again using the P4TA's structure.  Talk 22:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk back at DYK

 * Repeated talkback. CaseyPenk (talk) 01:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:List of Ghost in the Shell chapters
Lucia he's doing it again.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 20:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
I am glad that my work is noticed, and remember yours is too! I check your work on occasion, along with others in case they need help or are up to cool stuff. What can I say, I'm a social guy :) Can't wait for our next start to C drive once the GA's are done! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:46, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
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2nd GIG
We should really merge this with the first season's page. The article is short and it's just a second season.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 12:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The problem is summarizing the plot even more.Lucia Black (talk) 01:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikibreak
I am sorry to hear about your family-related issues. You have been a valuable contributor and you are understandably upset about how things are going. Let me be clear: if you get involved with unsavory editors, bullies or sockpuppets of banned users, I would advise that it is best to remain polite and just ignore them as they can be very stressful. Remember, you cannot say that you are bullied if you do not feel bullied and they would not dare talk to you like that if you were face to face; also, Wikipedia is just a website. I can't emphasize that enough. Also, you may want to try other venues of WP:DR rather than cause too much drama at ANI and provide inconclusive evidence. During my time here, I've blown up at users before, apologized and tried my best not to do things like that again. As a user pointed out to me, being involved in a civility dispute is a "soul sucking thing." I almost had that once but I have moved on from that. I hope your Wikibreak goes well and I will await your return. Regards, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:10, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Topic and interaction ban
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Topic ban
You are topic banned from anime and manga broadly construed. This means you may not participate or start (unless given leave by the community or higher authority) talk page discussions regarding the articles you are topic banned from. Please do not post on my talk page again regarding this. Topic banning means you must stay away from the topic completely for 3 months. Only in death does duty end (talk) 00:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * that doesn't change the fact that there is a dispute being solved in DRN. A dispute "before" topic ban. I can't ignore disrptionLucia Black (talk) 00:56, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, yes, you can - and you will, unless you want to violate your topic ban. The fact the dispute began before the ban doesn't matter, you are still topic-banned from that topic, and there are no exceptions. Now, if you want there to be an exception to participate in this one matter until it is resolved, you'd have to request an exemption at WP:AN - but until and unless such an exemption is agreed, you need to avoid touching all articles and discussion about articles in this subject matter, including this DRN, with the proverbial ten foot pole, and that includes attempting to recruit other editors to proxy-edit on your behalf. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days/GA1
Lucia, I was wondering what you wanted to do about this review. The original reviewer, SJones23, is blocked from editing anything but his talk page, and has been so since August 17. (It's a voluntary block, but he can't review anything.) The post from a supposed volunteer reviewer on August 6 was the last edit made by that person except for a very short single edit elsewhere on August 19.

We can either put it back in the reviewing pool—it has clearly been abandoned—or request a new reviewer to take over from the current one on the GAN talk page. Please let me know your preference, or you can post on WT:GAN yourself. Best of luck! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:33, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I think the former sounds good.Lucia Black (talk) 20:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I've just put it back into the reviewing pool, as you requested. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:40, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Blocked
Lucia, I hate that it's come to this, but your constant pecking around the edges and stepping over the line of your sanctions has left me no choice, especially after this which is blatant on both the topic and interaction bans - just because you don't say certain words doesn't mean the content as a whole isn't a violation. You've been blocked for 48 hours as a result, when you are unblocked please stick to the letter and the spirit of your sanctions so that when they expire you can resume productive editing in these topic areas - and please read WP:OWN as well, just because you've worked heavily on a subject does not make it "yours". - The Bushranger One ping only 17:55, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Reference help needed
I've been doing some revision work on Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy, adding references and so forth. But I've found that I don't seem to have a reference for the l'Cie as they appear in Type-0 (made so by their crystals, living forever, losing their memories). I am trying to make this article eligible for eventual GA and FA reviews, and I don't want to leave anything unreferenced, especially things linked to the games' themes and plots. If we need to wait for the game to come out in English (which is looking more probable recently) to back it up, then so be it, but I can't help wondering where that info came from in the first place. I've done a lot of search work, but I'm not entirely sure I've covered all the possible sources. Could you help, or redirect me to someone who could? --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm guessing the info came from the game itself. I don't know anyone who has the game itself or anyone else who would have such sources considering this game never came out of Japan. But someone within our wikiproject may be willing to grab their hands on the ultimania and see what it reveals. I'll look around and maybe do some extra info hunting.Lucia Black (talk) 10:20, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * I should also remind you that you are topic-banned from WP:ANI. I know WP:AN isn't ANI, but it's similar enough that you should be careful about commenting there. Given that I started the thread about you, I don't think anyone would complain if you commented, but it's probably best to err on the side of caution. Perhaps you could comment if anyone there specifically asks to hear from you. I'll leave it up to you what to do. And if you have any questions feel free to email me with them. Best — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 15:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Formal mediation has been requested
i can't join until a decision is made in WP:AN.Lucia Black (talk) 23:22, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ProtoDrake -- 12:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII
The article Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ProtoDrake -- 20:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Crunchyroll in anime infoboxes
I have a question: In Btooom!, KirtZJ has added Crunchyroll as an English network, and argues that it is common practice. Is there a consensus for (or against) adding a streaming website as a TV network (or a licensor) in articles? I thought the  parameter is meant only for TV stations, and the   parameter for companies releasing physical media in their territories; am I wrong? Is this issue discussed anywhere? Raamin (talk) 02:34, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Raamin. Actually, Lucia is topic-banned from the anime topic area until November 1, so she isn't allowed to answer this question. Perhaps you could ask at WT:ANIME? — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 08:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't know this. Thanks for your response. Raamin (talk) 12:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII
I am glad to inform you that the article in question has passed. It was a bit of a chore, but it's very good to see this game enter the ranks of GAs. Keep up the good work. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:07, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII
The article Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ProtoDrake -- 08:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
The article Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of PresN -- 22:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

a merge discussion you were in last time is repeated by the same guy now
Talk:Ghost_in_the_Shell Since you commented in the last one months ago, I figured you'd want to know its happening again. I'm contacting all those who participated in the recent merge, as I normally do, who weren't already told or there. Two are there, one was told by someone else, and thus you are the only one left.  D r e a m Focus  13:28, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014
Hi, if you haven't already, you should consider signing up for WikiCup 2014. Cheers, --Sp33dyphil ©hat<sub style='position: relative; left: -1.5em;'>ontributions 02:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
The article Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of PresN -- 19:32, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Merges
I have brought the issue over at WP:ANI as it seems to center around two editors: Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive818. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:51, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
— <span style="border:1px solid#000000;padding:1px 3px;font-family:Chicago,sans-serif;"><font color="#000000">Mr. V (t – c)   11:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

User subpages
Regarding this page you should take a look at WP:UP. Unless that page is meant to "be used in a timely manner", which it doesn't seem to be, it's clearly inappropriate. We don't keep enemies lists. Huon (talk) 20:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

not meant to bring "enemies", but to help prove my point if more issues come across. And due to not having a place to remember and search for every issue that had ever occured when the time is needed to provide evidence of such in ANI. i will be able to bring it in time.

I'm tired of the uncivility, and I will not tolerate it anymore. Anyone who decides to make sly remark, passive aggressive comment, or anything generally uncivil, will go there. Its not designed for others to see, this is purely for me save as "evidence" due ot not having the means to save such evidence last time in ANI.Lucia Black (talk) 20:22, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

And for the record, it does say they are permitted if they will be used in a timely manner, and i do full-well intend to do so.Lucia Black (talk) 20:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * What exactly do you consider "timely"? To me, "if I ever need to bring someone in ANI" sounds anything but. Huon (talk) 20:33, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * the definition in google says: "done or occurring at a favorable or useful time; opportune." Dictionary.com also states, "occurring at a suitable time; seasonable; opportune; well-timed".


 * So to me it doesn't matter how long it takes, as long as its done in the earliest time needed to be done. So if a series of issues raise up to a year, and escalates to the point of ANI action, the proof needed is all in one page, rather than searching for all the proof within that year.


 * If the pattern continues, then it will be used in a timely manner, as in i will inform ANI in the earliest time i can. Also note that i fully intend to warn these editors that any revision they have made will be saved onto the link bank. So each time i inform them that its being saved, it is being also noted as a Warning.Lucia Black (talk) 20:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

New section on the Anime and Manga RfC
Hello there. Since the Anime and Manga RfC seems to have developed a consensus for the "It depends on notability and uniqueness of each adaptation", I have started a thread to see if we can offer metrics or further guidance for such case by case... erm... cases. I have no idea if such a thing is even possible to draft up, but since having it might help, I figured I'd try. The thread is HERE, and as a previous participant in the RfC I wanted to let you know about it using this overly long, rambling message. Cheers,  S ven M anguard   Wha?  16:11, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Street Fighter X Mega Man
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Street Fighter X Mega Man you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Red Phoenix -- 20:05, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Alert: new article incoming
Hello there, Lucia. Just letting you know about a project I'm planning. I'm preparing to create an article for the entire Drakengard series. We have the articles for the individual games (a couple in a questionable state) but no article for the whole series. I remember you bringing the Drakengard games to the attention of WikiProject Square Enix a while back with this post, so I thought I would alert you to this so you could help me with it. The primary thing I need is references (the universal problem with this series). If you find any that you feel would add to an article concerning the whole series, please leave it on my talk page: the discussion, if one is generated, can be continued here as you stipulate. The article may be a while coming, but I'm going to create it. As to the individual games, after a little searching around, I touched up the gameplay section for Drakengard 2 and left a couple of references on the talk page of Drakengard that could well come in handy. Edit: here's the link to my sandbox, where I'm creating the article. --ProtoDrake (talk) 11:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

OK thanks, for notifying me. I'll take a look and see what i can find.Lucia Black (talk) 00:48, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Article created. Any references you find or info you want to add can go there now. Definitely room for improvement, but it's no worse than some I've seen, better than a few and a lot better than, say, Drakengard 2. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:02, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

GITS
In Japan, the original manga is subtitled "THE GHOST IN THE SHELL". That's why you can see "THE GHOST IN THE SHELL" on the book's cover. We've been through this before.—Ryulong (琉竜) 12:14, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Just because it's on the cover, does not mean its part of the japanese title. In which why the information on "title" suggests that its not. If you can verify that its been reffered to as it with the subtitle, it can stay, but so far other subtitles such as "Man-Machine Interface" and "Human-Error Processor" have been part of the title in Japan, the only one who hasn't is Ghost in the Shell. So even if one "considered" it, its not recognized as a subtitle by kodansha.Lucia Black (talk) 13:46, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not enough that the cover has it if none of the distributing sources have referred to it with it. Plus, it seems original research to determine that "The Ghost in the Shell" is indeed official subtitle of the manga when it can easily be other factors. for example: The English title.Lucia Black (talk) 14:23, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * So are you planning on calling the first manga volume "Mobile Armor Police" instead of "The Ghost in the Shell"? It's not original research. It's blatantly on the cover.—Ryulong (琉竜) 14:59, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * the name still Ghost in the Shell for english, the japanese is the only one i'm modifying to fit to what sources have provided. I insist that there's too much to consider simply for it being on the cover, but what we do have is other japanese sources citing kokaku kidotai 2 manmachine interface/1.5 human error processer but not kokaku kidotai Ghost in za sheru when explicitly speaking about the original manga (which you get the video game most of the time when searched under that name). So its safe to say its the intended english name for the manga.Lucia Black (talk) 15:11, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It's just the subtitle which was chosen. It's more commonly known without it is all.—Ryulong (琉竜) 16:32, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * We have more proof countering that idea. The cover isn't proof if it can be interpret multiple ways.Lucia Black (talk) 19:31, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * What is there to counter it? What more proof do you need than the words "THE GHOST IN THE SHELL" appearing in English on the Japanese language cover?—Ryulong (琉竜) 19:54, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

A retail site covering the original manga with the subtitle. that's all we need. But considering kodansha itself doesn't cover with the subtitle, it's not looking good. That could've easily been the English version of the title.Lucia Black (talk) 20:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

GITS VG
Do you think it'd be okay to add the mechanics of the game in? I can give this a copyedit tomorrow during my lunch - I'll be out for another 14-16 hours depending on a few circumstances, but I don't want this failed and waiting 3 months. Agreed, to place for GA review if he won't respond to it? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

It would be fine, i was just about to add in the mission-based gameplay into the article from the reviews. I'm still looking for a game manual of the game to see if there's something reviews didn't add. If he doesn't respond then, it can be renominated for GA.Lucia Black (talk) 01:29, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can dig up the manual, but I added a brief section about the gameplay. Also the missiles from lock on are infinite, but the "bombs" are grenades and you have limited stock. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:00, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Added what I could out of the Making of Game video. You'll need someone who is 100% fluent in poor Japanese audio to get the additional details. Any ideas? It'll be mandatory for FA. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * well there's more than the documentary video. there is also the video game artbook that talks about visuals and the strategy guides might have some plot information that is hidden away.Lucia Black (talk) 02:12, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It is unlikely that I would acquire them given my geographical region... though I do suppose that it will need to be checked before it goes to FA to be on the safe side. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:21, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, could you run through the reception section. The GAR review pointed out that it was a bit sparse and didn't flow too well. Since you have the sources, could you fix it up? I'd probably make it worse if I had to do it. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:37, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Street Fighter X Mega Man
The article Street Fighter X Mega Man you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Street Fighter X Mega Man for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Red Phoenix -- 02:35, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

GITS FILM
Ghost in the Shell (film) is now a GA. You should add it to your list. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:11, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK thanks.Lucia Black (talk) 00:15, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

reply about SuperBoy, plus one manga I ran across
Hello Lucia, you can call me 74. I was helping with this discussion over here, but got sidetracked and was not around for the stuff about ELNO#12. Talk:Young_Justice_%28TV_series%29. While I pretty much fully agree with you that the wiki in question does not satisfy ELNO#12, there is an argument that it meets other exceptions from the same page. If you have a minute to peek at my bottom-of-the-section reply to yourself and Koavf, I'd appreciate it.

p.s. Judging from your userpage, perhaps you can help with this. I've read one manga, about a decade ago. This one needs some English copy-editing; perhaps you, or somebody you know, can tackle it? By no means WP:REQUIRED of course. :-)    Crayon_Shin-chan:_Blitzkrieg!_Pig's_Hoof's_Secret_Mission.  Ping my talkpage if you reply and I don't respond promptly.  Thanks. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 06:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Me again, appreciate your replies over at the article-talkpage. Also, much gratitude for keeping your cool; as you may have gathered, MorrowStravis is a beginner here on wikiipedia, although they have been wiki-editing elsewhere, and seem like they will be a good asset.  I'm trying to teach them the ropes, of our various-n-sundry Ancient Traditions... and of course that includes WP:NICE, and I've tried to make that more fully clear to them, elsewhere.  Anyhoo, your point about the significance-level of the EL's site-content has merit... and I have to admit that *my* reading of the pages over at the EL in question has consisted of a couple pages.  :-)     So I'll head over there and do my homework, then pop back later.  Thanks for your help, and hey, happy T-day if you happen to be into that sort of thing.  74.192.84.101 (talk) 03:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Anime
Anime is in critical need of some work to pass GA and I dare say that I do not have the time to complete it all. Would you be willing to collaborate to pass this top importance article with me? This would be A&M history in the making of sorts. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 18:12, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators Noticeboard
There's a thread of interest, in which you're discussed, at Administrators'_noticeboard. Nick (talk) 20:36, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I undid your edit to Doll, because I do not feel that it is redundant sourcing, as you put it. Some of those sentences had quotes in them from the source, and quotes must be sourced. Thank you. :) Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 02:10, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Please clarify for me: you are okay with me adding the Mihara interview cites back in, as it was before your changes?
 * And yes, I'm happy for the civil discussion, too. :) You may not believe it, but I do value the opinions of others. :) Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 04:09, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh dear, now I'm not exactly sure what you meant in your previous response. What did you mean by "it shouldn't hurt the article to add them in anyways." The months? Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 04:26, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Your post at ANI
Hey, Lucia, I've undone your post to the thread I closed at ANI. I'm really sorry; it's not at all my intention to silence you or to give the others the last word. It's just that I feel very strongly that that thread was counterproductive, and if one person posts after the close, the others will then feel like they have to respond as well, and pretty soon the thread is reopened. It might be better to comment on those editors' talk pages directly, rather than posting to the ANI thread. Again, I apologize for removing your post, but I think that it's in the best interest of the encyclopedia that I do so. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 17:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Street Fighter X Mega Man
The article Street Fighter X Mega Man you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Street Fighter X Mega Man for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Red Phoenix -- 05:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Ghost in the Shell (game) sources for the GAN
Hi Lucia. Again sorry this took so long. I was fairly free when I first offered the sources but by the time you confirmed that you wanted an upload I was deep into the end-of-the-year rush. Things are a bit calmer now, but these took a little while to translate. Anyway the first one is a review from one of the better-known Brazilian magazines, Super GamePower (listed here alongside Nintendo World and Official PlayStation Magazine). The magazine scores along a 1 through 5 scale with 5 as the best.
 * Scan: here.

The second one is a 2-page review from Velikij Drakon. It also scores on a 1 through 5 scale with 5 as the best. Let me know if you have any questions or need anything more. I think I could find a Chinese source too if you had time to wait for me. Either way good luck on the GAN. -Thibbs (talk) 21:02, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Scans: here and here.

ok I added them in. Pretty good, was able to expand the gameplay slightly too thanks to the russian review. I'm in no hurry, so I can definitely wait for the chinese reviews.Lucia Black (talk) 03:43, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

I was also wondering if you have "Ultra Game Player" January 1997 magazine i think its issue no.93. I think thats the last English source that i know of.Lucia Black (talk) 16:12, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't have any issues of that magazine. -Thibbs (talk) 04:27, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh well. Thanks anywaus.Lucia Black (talk) 06:06, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Your behavior
Do you always have to have the last word? Do you think that makes it "win or lose" or something? You don't know what you are talking about and you got called on it and then came all these excuses. You are wrong. Simple as that. Now, WP:DROPTHESTICK if you can't make a congent argument. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:33, 21 December 2013 (UTC)


 * You're the only one bringing this up, you're opinion isn't any more bigger than mine. Take a breather. Because i'm not going to talk about this with you. you respond, i respond. I'm not here to say i have the last word. You just have to be sure you're going to get a reply when you respond. SO i ask you to take a breather. you're the only one being aggressive.Lucia Black (talk) 05:47, 21 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not being aggressive, but I do not like uninformed people trying to make themselves "equals" when they do not know the mere definition of the words and jobs of the industry people. If you do not know what you are talking about, your opinion and statements are weightless. The Dunning–Kruger effect cuts two ways here and I'm well-aware that we are not "equals" in the field of my expertise as a result of it. I still am in disbelief that you think Dragon Ball Z is not notable. The Puppetmaster/puppeteer issue showed you were willing to bully someone who not only disagreed with you, but proved you wrong. Just so we are clear... if you keep it up, I'll just ignore you, because whether or not you want to bury the hatchet from before I don't like threat of deliberately making GANs unstable just so you can argue in circles. One post is typically enough to dispel your arguments and no amount of rehashing is really necessary. I believe the last time someone pointed you to WP:Bludgeon, but I must refrain from doing that as well. Otherwise we get to the point where no one cares at all. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 06:16, 21 December 2013 (UTC)


 * If you're not being aggressive, why are you here in my talkpage asking me why i have to have the last word? Why are you accusing me of win/lose ideals?


 * GAN wasn't a threat. I'm saying it was a warning. You weren't even listening properly to the discussion, and it took you a while to see the issue. Even then, that was in the past. I've forgiven an immense ammount of hardships from you. SO if you want to ruin the peace i attempted to bring, fine. But its not on me the next time you're brought into mediation.


 * If you want me to bring it back up the Puppeteer/Puppet Master issue, i will gladly bring it up again. But there's no point bringing it up here in a completely irrelevant time. And it doesn't even help your argument if hypothetically i'm wrong. Its uncivilized to use such a method of arguing. Does it mean that i should bring back everytime consensus went against you for any other discussion? For lets say...something more relevant...such as the MOS RfC? And even after consensus, you still didn't drop the stick?


 * I don't need to bring up such petty squabbles. that's the cowards way of arguing. I only bring up whats needed.


 * My comment is completely valid. And overall, for the most part, you did cause a more "devil's advocate" type of argument rather than trying to be rational. In manga, the main artist and main author are key staff. Unless a certain interview clarifies the importance of particular assistant.


 * for anime, i can understand if all series hold a core team of animators, but the thing is that animators not only vary from episode, but from scenes within that episode. To list all of them would be too much, even if a notable animator happened to animate a particular scene. But overall, if its an adaptation, the direction of the series isn't dependent completely on the animators but of the original work.


 * For the next 12 hours, you are banned from my talkpage. SO you can cool down. I'm not trying to cause drama, so be lucky that you're not banned permanently. But the next time you come back, you better apologize for your aggressive attitude or not at all.Lucia Black (talk) 06:39, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Holiday wishes!
Oh thanks. You tooLucia Black (talk) 01:30, 24 December 2013 (UTC)