User talk:LuckyThracian

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Caligae
Copy of my question from Euryalus' Talk Page:

I recently did a copyedit of the stub article on caligae and noticed that the picture of the reconstructed sandal in the article seemed wrong. I don't dispute that it's a piece of Roman footwear but it doesn't seem robust enough to be a soldier's sandal for heavy marching (note the perforations, particularly towards the heel). I've noticed that you seem to be interested in this field (from when you commented on my AfD for "Jittelar") so I thought I'd ask your opinion - the original editor and other contributors don't seem to be about much. Also, I can't see how hobnails would be very suitable for marching on the cobbled roads that the Romans are famed for - wouldn't it be like wearing a sprigged soccer boot and carry a risk of going for six on a hard and smooth surface? Or did the legionaries carry a repertoire of gear for various terrains? LuckyThracian (Talk) 02:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm flattered you think I'd know the answer. From memory, caligae did have hobnails or similar attached to the soles to hold the leather strips together and improve traction. Their advantages over closed shoes were comfort and replacement - you could march all day and not get blisters, and when the sole wore out a legionary could make a new one himself.


 * Legionaries had to provide their own leather and nails (similar to the NYPD having to buy their own guns today) and this was occasionally a source of bitterness. Their use as a weapon seems a bit unlikely - I've never seen this anywhere other than the Wikipedia article and a "creative anachronism" website. If a wounded enemy is at your feet, would you finish him with your sword or by repeatedly poking him with a hobnailed shoe?


 * The concept of a legion all skating about on a smooth road surface is kind of funny - this would certainly be a disadvantage of hobnailed shoes. However, Roman roads were not that smooth - outside of major population centres most roads were corduroy if they existed at all, and if they were stone they looked like this. In established Roman towns the roads were smoother and properly paved, but legions weren't usually permitted to enter Roman towns en masse, so the problem probably didn't arise. Hope this helps, though I think you've improved the article to the best standard its likely to reach.  Euryalus (talk) 03:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * My closing response copied from Euryalus' Talk Page:


 * Thanks for your reply and the picture link (quite enlightening). Whenever I try to get into detail about this sort of thing I rediscover how little we've actually got to go on for this era. LuckyThracian (Talk) 03:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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