User talk:Lukobe/Archive 2

Arlington
That was areally weak history you put on the Arlington page. I put typed in some more details. If you want, you can update and add something to the People and Culture part of the Arlington page. Thank you.

Wikipedia only
Sorry, can't do anything now, I'm at work. I'll deal with it later today. Sorry--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 08:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll GFDL them...but the watermark stays, I'm afraid. Apart from anything, I can't be bothered to re-upload them.--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 17:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

What sort of issues?--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 07:32, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, nothing to do with this, but do you know if the GFDL for WP covers derivative works, or just verbatim copying? Thanks,--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 07:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, as you'll see on Image:Bliss parody.jpg, I've got a more discreet way of watermarking now, but for reasons I'll not go into now, I'd rather they were watermarked. Thanks,--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 08:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi there! This is Seattledude. Got your message -- two of the photos from the Wah Mee article are from the police department (public domain?), but one is from a private photographer. I know where the site is in the International District, so I can just head over there and take a photo of the alleyway myself :D

Garfield Article
Did you go to GHS? &mdash;WAvegetarian• CONTRIBUTIONS TALK • EMAIL • 10:06, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Watermarked image
I am proposing a change to the image use policy to forbid user-created watermarked images. Please voice an opinion at Wikipedia_talk:Image_use_policy -Thanks -Nv8200p talk 19:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:GasworksParkSeattleWiki.JPG listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:GasworksParkSeattleWiki.JPG, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. dbenbenn | talk 22:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Please see Images and media for deletion/2006 January 30 again (I asked a question about this photo). dbenbenn | talk 23:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey!
Stop trying to cramp my style! —Preceding unsigned comment added by CMLLovesDegus (talk • contribs)

Please check your WP:NA entry
Greetings, editor! Your name appears on List of non-admins with high edit counts. If you have not done so lately, please take a look at that page and check your listing to be sure that following the particulars are correct: Thank you, and have a wiki wiki day! BD2412 T 03:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) If you are an admin, please remove your name from the list.
 * 2) If you are currently interested in being considered for adminship, please be sure your name is in bold; if you are opposed to being considered for adminship, please cross out your name (but do not delete it, as it will automatically be re-added in the next page update).
 * 3) Please check to see if you are in the right category for classification by number of edits.

Wade Hampton Census Area, Alaska
Hello! I noticed you added a cleanup tag to this article, but I don't see anything on it's Talk. Can you please elaborate what should be cleaned up? Thanks &mdash;akghetto talk 08:38, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Asian American Pictures
I feel the drawings I drew are better than real pictures of Asian Americans. I spent twelve months, going once per week to an Asian-Indian club. I did this to find out how to draw South Asians. I asked "Who is the most Indian-looking?" I modeled my pictures after their descriptions. I also feel my pictures allowed me to choose pictures of Asians who looked like the average face instead of the "prettiest" face. --Dark Tichondrias 1:00 February 25 2006

Balance of Asian faces
I feel that real-life pictures are okay as long as they are balanced. There should be equal amounts of men and women portrayed and equal amounts of East, Southeast, and South Asians. Please, find two Southeast Asian faces and a South Asian woman for the Asian page.

Compliment on removal of Coon's racial system
I am glad people like me removing antiquated racial terms.--Dark Tichondrias 14:00 March 29 2006 (PST)

AID
-Litefantastic 17:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Request Help Resolving Controversy
Hi, I am sorry to bother you with a most unusual request. I am a mediator for a dispute on Wikipedia. It is possible that you may be able to help resolve one of the items under contention. The nature of this one contentious item is partially explained at User:BostonMA/Mediation/Sathya Sai Baba/www.saisathyasai.com.

There are two websites called www.assault-weapon.com and www.marijuana.com. At one point these sites mirrored some or all of Wikipedia. (However, today, these sites do not mirror Wikipedia. A google search shows that at one time these sites had a user page with your Wikipedia username Ref.

If it is not an imposition, could you please tell us whether you have ever logged into assault-weapon.com and/or marijuana.com? Please feel free not to respond, as it is not my intent to invade your privacy. However, if you are willing, it may be very helpful in resolving this dispute if you could comment at User:BostonMA/Mediation/Sathya Sai Baba/www.saisathyasai.com. Thank you for you time. Sincerely, --BostonMA 19:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your quick response. I apologize if this has been a distraction for you.  Sincerely, BostonMA 21:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

"Campaign" to replace Europe/Asia with Eurasia
No, I don't think he does. Bathrobe 04:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed Census part of template
I removed the US centric part of the template.--Dark Tichondrias 14:00 March 31 2006 (PST)

Esquimax and Malay are not the same as Eskimo and Malayan
Malayans come from the Southeast Asian nation of Malaysia. On the other hand, the Malayan race defined by Blumenbach is all of Southeast Asia. Eskimos are a tribe of Alaskan natives. On the other hand, the Esquimax race was defined to include all Alaskan natives and indigenous north Canadians -- Dark Tichondrias 05:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Editor
Hello. I noticed your an editor and was wondering if at some time i have a grammer related question (which isnt that often) i could use you as a reference? Thanks--Geppy 21:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Alphabetize the Template
It is possible to alphabetize the template, but it is hard. Alphabetizing is not easy. If another race is added to the template, the whole thing has to be revised. All the races would have to be pushed down one if the new race started with an A. This is too much work for each new race. I plan on adding more historical definitions of race, so this would be too much work for each race. When the table is more complete, it would be beneficial for it to be alphabetized. --  Dark Tichondrias 09:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

The two races which were deleted were deleted because they were from a source which was not credible. They were not historical races. The website the two races were from was a satire of "March of the Titans" which defined the Nordish race. The satire was from a website was called "March of the Giants" which defined the Medish race. The Medish and Sudish races were jokes and were recently defined. It included comical references to the Medish being like Ikea chairs and Nordish being hicks. I should have known it was a joke. -- Dark Tichondrias 03:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Climatic Zone races
Yes, he actually considered them races. I rented a book from the library about the history of the idea of races. Other race scientists at the time commented on his racial system. One said his defintions were foolish. You can remove the copyedit template if this is why you added it. --  Dark Tichondrias 06:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Dark Tichondrias's "historical definitions of race" articles
Egads, I've lost count of how many we're up to now. Very few, if any, deserve full articles in my opinion. Most seem to reference the work of only a single author, sometimes centuries ago, at a time when racial theory was very different to what it is now. It looks like that the articles are not capable of meaningful expansion beyond their present size. He has been amenable to contrary opinion in the past -- he agreed to db-author two of his own articles that did not meet WP:RS and WP:V, but I suspect we're not going to persuade him to do so for all these. Maybe we can ask him if he'll agree to merge them into Former racial divisions or something similar (but note, there's already Race (historical definitions)). I'm away for a few days now, but we can touch base at the start of next week. --BillC 18:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * In terms of the articles' accuracy, most of them say little or nothing beyond "the race of lotus-eaters (or whatever) was a race defined by historic race scientist Joe Bloggs" and then gives a cite for this claim. This claim is probably accurate insofar as Joe Bloggs did actually write this the eighteenth century. But as I see it, the problem with all these articles is the notability of their subject matter. A once-off and since discredited theory (at least we assume it is discredited -- our author has given us no clues as to whether it has been) is nothing more than an obscure passing footnote in history. It barely deserves a mention in an article on Joe Bloggs himself. I suspect that few of these articles would survive AfD's but I would prefer not to go down that route yet. Let's approach him and see what he has to say for himself. --BillC 23:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * See his talk page. I've written something there. --BillC 00:13, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

New Division of Earth
The New Division of Earth was a book. I know this because the source also displayed a volume number next to the title. --- Dark Tichondrias 03:40, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I read the part of the book where he defined race. -- Dark Tichondrias 10:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

You read part of: "Memoirs Read Before the Anthropological Society of London" -namely Vol 1 1863-64,pp 36O-64 the location of T.Bendyshe's translation of Bernier's contribution to "Journal des Scavans",April 24, 1684; which is basically a transcription of a letter to one of his friends. Only the first half of the letter is about racial classification, the other half is about (universal?) feminine beauty. see

(84.193.172.199 11:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC))

Need To Apologize
I behaved badly by directing my short temper over the recent editing of François Bernier to you. Now I know why you keep following D.T. around. So...can we shake hands or something? ( Wave a flag? Smoke a pipe, maybe? Invite User:BillC?)

(84.193.172.199 11:11, 21 April 2006 (UTC))


 * Sounds good to me :) No offense taken. To be honest, I still don't know what you meant by "flagging your name." DT is an interesting fellow with an obvious desire to contribute, but I can't help but think his efforts could be better directed in...another manner. By the way, have you thought of creating an account? Easier to hold conversations that way. --Lukobe 19:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I miraculously did ! Or did I ?

User:84.193.172.199


 * Um, no. :) Read Why_create_an_account?--there's a link to create one at the bottom. (Your anonymity is actually greater this way, because your IP address then no longer appears with your postings. As it is now, I can tell you're posting from telenet.be and you're therefore most likely in Belgium. Create a user name and nobody will be able to tell anything about you that you don't want them to know.) --Lukobe 18:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I have nothing to hide and may want to remain accountable for my contributions in a responsible way in the real world. (84.193.172.199 09:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC))

adding newly-created race articles to their respective creators
Since Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Australoid, Capoid, and Negroid have their own page even though they are part of Carleton S. Coon's system, the other races should have their own page. If the races defined by Carleton S. Coon were all merged to his page, then it would be acceptable to do the same thing to the other race articles. --- Dark Tichondrias 23:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I'll find some more information on Wood Eaters if I do more research. --- Dark Tichondrias 00:04, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

The primary reason why the Mongoloid page is very long is because it has a lot of opinions about the way different peoples look, representative pictures and it has genetic history of Asians near the bottom. If it was shortened to "Mongoloid is a term made by Carleton Coon in his book to include these peoples. The term is not used anymore and considered offensive because of its previous use to labele people with Down Syndrome" it would be as short as all the other race articles. Either the extra stuff should be added to all the other race stubs to make them comprable to the Mongoloid page or the Mongoloid page as well as the stubs should be merged with their respective race scientist. --- Dark Tichondrias 06:21, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 07:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC), on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

Lapps
I was reading an English translation that said Lapps in the plural sense. I suppose the singular is Lapp. --- Dark Tichondrias 05:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC) It's okay to merge, just remember to cite who described them as inhuman so nobody decides to remove it later

To remember that François Bernier never wrote a book on racial classification would also be nice. (furthermore: [Importance of Historical Racial Definitions]) (84.193.172.199 09:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC))

Re: Fixing typos introducing typos, neighborhoods
Summary of this post: Proposed edits. Make as clear and concise as can. Accuracy is a goal. 1. Typos 2. Style 3. Punctuation 4. Major and minor arterials 5. More accurate _. Conclusion

1. Yes, a typo was inadvertently introduced in fixing typos. Henceforth, I'll enlarge the text of my display.

In fixing, I was also looking to making as concise as can, without losing the existing sense of the writer.

2. Style For style, since The Chicago Manual of Style is referenced in Manual of Style, it might be a fair extrapolation that the Chicago Style is otherwise generally the standard (per Wikipedia, of course). I might slip, though, 'cause I also like the Modern Language Association (MLA) style.

"[N]orth- and southbound" (N-S) and "(east- and westbound)" (E-W) are in themselves less important in that all the avenues in greater (metro) Seattle have their compass direction following, and these all run near N-S; all the streets have their compass direction preceding, and these all run near E-W. This could be a boilerplate footnote common to all the 'pedia entries for metropolitan neighborhoods, making the body of the entry that much more smooth reading, and making convenient pasting the note into entries.

Adding the compass point and direction to every instance in a sentence or a list can become redundant and less readable.

Compass points do not have periods, as, for example neither does NATO or the element Al. [Chicago Style, Wikipedia Boxing the compass and Cardinal direction ]. The official designations on maps and on actual official street signs use the standard convention. The official designations in USPS addresses use the standard convention. Another way to think of this may be to consider the compass points as symbols ilke those of the Periodic Table.

Numbers less than one hundred are generally written in words (incidentally distinguishing them from numbered items or maths at a glance). Particularly with few syllables, this makes for smoother reading.

3. Punctuation Further, Lukobe wrote, > However, in Seattle, "Ave." is usually spelled with the period. (Proper nouns can take the form of abbreviations.) > It could be interesting to find refs. I think I've seen it both ways in print, though I don't recall where or when. But then, punctuation marks are popularly commonly added or left out willy-nilly, as The Economist contributor Lynne Truss has amusingly documented.

The only rationale I know about for "Ave." with a period in a nickname is to distinguish from Ave as Latin. Since this is on their beat, maybe the city desk of the local weekly knows.

Periods are full stops, so as such they should be minimized unless a full stop is intended.

4. Major and minor arterials In editing and in Lukobe's reply, my > arterials are Brooklyn and 20th Avenues NE (north- and southbound). NE Pacific, 45th, and 50th Streets are the east- and westbound thoroughfares. > delineates light-duty nominal arterials, and heavily-used interneighborhood major thoroughfares or shopping streets (like The Ave). The above Brooklyn and 20th are good representative examples of relatively small, short, stop-sign-and-go minor arterials that are pretty unsuitable for heavy interneighborhood traffic. These may not even be shown on published maps of major arterials. NE Pacific isn't a good thoroughfare either--it's evolved from a sedate, elegant, tree-lined boulevard into an open, rather widely spread-out, ad hoc, cobbled-together east-west connector for converging some five major and minor north-south arterials. The point here in a wiki entry is somehow emphasizing the through streets for visitors, and de-emphasizing the small arterials familiar to locals (and bicyclists : ).

So, in general for such 'pedia entries, maybe list the main thoroughfares first (journalism style), and then the minor arterials, using turns of phrase for the two that make their relative utility clear.

So far, "main arterial" xor "main thoroughfare" and "minor arterial" (though I'd prefer "main thoroughfare" for its variety).

So perhaps, "The main thoroughfares are the Roosevelt Way and 11th Avenue one-way pair, 15th Avenue NE, and University Way; minor arterials are Brooklyn and 20th Avenues NE (all north- and southbound). NE Pacific, 45th, and 50th Streets are the east- and westbound thoroughfares." The one-way pair is not at all apparent to those who don't already know. One-way streets are not always immediately adjacent. Which is which direction is less essential since the pair conforms to the "drive on the right side of the road" convention.

Lukobe wrote, > Roosevelt Way, 11th Avenue, and University Way have lost their "NE" designation by your change. > I'm attempting to minimize redundancy by grouping like together in a single sentence, such as "Avenues NE" in one and "NE Streets" in another. This could do well in general for smooth readability of wiki entries on neighborhoods.

5. More accurate For Northgate Seattle neighborhood, if a corrected map is not readily available, maybe edit the text in order that the the error be noted and the 'pedia entry be correct. A brief description of North College Park and the wiki entry content as a combined "Northgate and North College Park neighborhoods" should suffice in the meantime.

Does anyone live near the college? If not, I could drop by there some time, since their newspaper archives likely have documentation for refs. The only other source I know off-hand 'd be Pacific Publishing that has the northseattleherald-outlook ["domain is currently expired"] and other local weeklies.

In general, correctness would be more important than appearance.

5.a. The Ave "The University of Washington University Book Store" is more accurate. "The Universtiy of Washington's College of Medicine" would be similarly more awkward than such as "The University of Washington College of Medicine". The mention of a theatre chain (albeit a local one) without mention of neighborhood icon Andy Shiga of Shiga's Imports looks very much like product placement.

Both local newspapers of record officially use "The Ave", no period.

5.b Neighborhoods, Seattle. Accuracy. "The official city map shows" referenced in some neighborhood entries is explicitly not. Cf. the fine print footer of such as Wedgwood.

Conclusion This neighborhood topic category is great--'used to have to buttonhole diverse sources to find this local info for a city or some place. Thank you all.

So far, there are no errors of content introduced; these issues need to be furthered toward the most credible content. Comment would be appreciated.

GoDot 20:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

notability
Hey there Jmabel, how's trix? :) Looks like a couple more articles on small Seattle establishments have cropped up: Deano's (Seattle) and Dai Bai Zan Cho Bo Zen Ji. I tagged them with but am now sort of wondering how much harm they really do. Thoughts? --Lukobe 04:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Neither article demonstrates notability. I'd be inclined to merge Deano's to the appropriate neighborhood: it would be worth a couple of paragraphs (its trevails over the last decade would be a good window into gentrification) but I can't imagine it merits a real article. I don't know enough about a particular Zen Center to know if it is notable.
 * BTW, I'm off to Bucharest on Tuesday, back late May. - Jmabel | Talk 05:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Please !!!
Will you please check your sources (François Bernier). Or at least give the specific directions how to retrieve the evidence that " New Division of the Earth" is a BOOK. Since you remain obstinate about its being so. It shows little respect for earnest students of the subject (in which you yourself admit to have no interest) who know there is NO SUCH BOOK. You owe them at least fair editing. (compare ref. Bernier in Pre-Adamites) (84.193.172.199 09:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC))

Anthropomorpha
This article should probably be merged. His classifications would best be labeled with a "Homo" in front of it instead of the word race behind it.-- Dark Tichondrias 13:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Lord Monboddo
thanks for your addition to the monboddo article. monboddo was fascinated by primitive peoples from all over the globe and particularly in their various languages. regards Anlace 00:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

seattle neighborhoods
Is it just me, or does it seem some of GoDot's contributions to local articles make the articles on local neighborhoods and their features (e.g., Burke-Gilman Trail) less clear and harder to edit? --Lukobe 21:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I haven't had time to look (I'm really busy and probably won't be back on the wiki bigtime until late June) and this sounds like the sort of question where unless you point me at specific edits it could take a while to work out, so I'm afraid I have no comment for now, but I would generally trust your judgment in such things. - Jmabel | Talk 06:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

college majors userbox
Lukobe: please try the new user collstudent subject userbox and tell me if it works for you, and whether you feel it needs changes (colors, images, etc.). Louie 16:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

The Beatles Newsletter 002
Hi! Since I have included the discussion over at the Policy Talk pages in the upcoming newsletter I would like to invite you to have a look at it Newsletter 2. All comments welcome (and on the talk page, please.)LessHeard vanU 21:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Please help on Mathematics
Posted by Pruneau 21:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC), on behalf of the AID Maintenance Team

Arlington
Actually it isn't considered plagerism because I credited some of my rewording of paragraphs to the Arlington Centennial Book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexvincent2 (talk • contribs)

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I removed the division because it didn't make sense. -- Dark Tichondrias

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Waiting for the Interurban
Thanks for the note. I've continued some editing, and I suppose (hope, actually) that it's been moved rather along toward something worthwhile. What's needed now is an image or two (perhaps from the Fremont Arts Council? or History House?) of one or two particularly interesting 'art attacks'.

Haven't been a Seattlite for about a decade, alas. I look forward to seeing the Troll, and the sooner the better. ww 15:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

deletion of all ethnic categories
Have you noticed what is being proposed to be done to all the categories named 'xxx people by ethnic or national origin' (such as Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and all ethnic/national origin subcategories?

See Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 20

There does not seem to be anyone interested in this, but me. Are you? Do you know others? Thanks Hmains 04:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

deletion of all ethnic categories
Have you noticed what is being proposed to be done to all the categories named 'xxx people by ethnic or national origin' (such as Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and all ethnic/national origin subcategories?

See Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 20

Users are taking votes to delete ALL hyphenated American articles.

There does not seem to be anyone interested in this, but me. Are you? Do you know others? Thanks --Dark Tichondrias

Please help on Ancient Egypt
Posted by Pruneau 18:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the AID Maintenance Team