User talk:Lukpac

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September 2011
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, but at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to If I Fell, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted (undone) by ClueBot NG.
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June 2013
Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to The Guess Who. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Please do not restore uncited material unless you provide inline RS refs that properly support the material -- per wp:burden. Epeefleche (talk) 18:35, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

The material should be on the page; it doesn't make sense without it, as then the article jumps right to the band reforming without any mention of it breaking up. Requesting a citation is fine, but selectively removing that block destroys the continuity of the article as a whole. Lukpac (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. ''As discussed above. It is fine to remove other unsourced material as well. And it is fine to edit sourced material to make it read more smoothly. It is not fine for you to -- as you have now done more than once, even after being warned, and even after wp:before has been brought to your attention, for you to re-add challenged unsourced material without supplying RS refs directly supporting it. And, of course, the lack of citations has been a problem since 2009, when the article was tagged for that malady.'' Epeefleche (talk) 21:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Teo Macero and Kind of Blue
"Kind of Blue was the first time that Macero was the producer for an entire Miles session." (Eric Nisenson, in The Making of Kind of Blue) Dan56 (talk) 21:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * "It was a long time ago, but as I remember it, we made that record..." (Teo Macero, in The Making of Kind of Blue) Dan56 (talk) 21:40, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

He isn’t listed in Columbia’s documentation, his voice isn’t on the session tapes, and he was in LA producing Brubeck’s Gone With The Wind during the second session.


 * An encyclopedia reports what has been published in reliable sources; it does not submit original research. You can add your findings (from reliable sources, not vague photographs posted at forums) to the article, as contrasting reports, but you cannot cherrypick-out items you disagree with. Dan56 (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

As indicated on your talk page, multiple sources indicate that not only was Macero not involved, he was (by his own admission) involved in his first production project on the other side of the country. And as noted, every release starting in 1997 indicates Kind of Blue was produced by Irving Townsend; Macero's name is not even mentioned in the liner notes.

The only appropriate thing to add would be a note in the Kind of Blue entry indicating that Macero has been listed as producer incorrectly. Lukpac (talk) 00:32, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Jazzdisc.org is not reliable (WP:SPS); see Dan56 (talk) 00:59, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Producer credits for Gone With The Wind are considered reliable by you; yet not Kind of Blue reissue credits? Dan56 (talk) 00:59, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, in reference to the transcription piece in the NPR source you cited.
 * Forums are not reliable. Dan56 (talk) 00:59, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

As noted, the Kind of Blue reissue credits do not mention Macero and indicate it was produced by Townsend. Lukpac (talk) 01:02, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Dan56 (talk) 01:09, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Subsequently corrected:

https://img.discogs.com/vpgg0jNpTt2jp4bfy5ETJx51z4k=/fit-in/600x622/filters:strip_icc:format(jpeg):mode_rgb:quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3354956-1327089476.jpeg.jpg Lukpac (talk) 01:13, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Subsequently changed, is all that shows. Dan56 (talk) 01:15, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Don't form your own conclusions; report what sources reporting both sides of this dispute say (Conflicting sources) These events happened 60 years ago; how reliable can either account (of either album Macero's name was attached to) be trusted wholly? Dan56 (talk) 01:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Sony, who owns the album, has already made a conclusion, that Kind of Blue was produced by Irving Townsend. That conclusion is supported by significant evidence. Lukpac (talk) 01:36, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Sony is a primary source; "Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so." Dan56 (talk) 01:55, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

There’s no analysis or interpretation necessary: Sony indicates the album was produced by Townsend, period. Lukpac (talk) 02:35, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * 🙄 Dan56 (talk) 12:24, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

March 2019
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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