User talk:Luna Santin/Archive 1

Omega models
Any chance you can tag those in the list I added. No one seems to be really objecting to the ones listed. Vegaswikian 20:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just tag all of the others. I'll note this on the Omega entry.  Vegaswikian 02:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Dean Lesher
''Thanks for your input! I'm still a bit wet behind the ears, and I was wondering about that edit you made to my intro already. ''

No problem. I went to high school in Concord and worked for years in Walnut Creek, so when I saw the name "Dean Lesher" pop up on the New Articles page, I simply had to go poking around; checking out Contra Costa Times after that seemed obvious. And pay no attention to RichardBennett -- he's a thin-skinned newbie upset with my reversing some nonsense he added to a few articles. --Calton | Talk 23:47, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Jay Robert Nash
The Jay Robert Nash article is having POV statements inserted by User:Thomist, who is also using a sockpuppet (which means there are not two independent editors inserting the POV sections). If you check out other edits by User:Thomist you will see that the editor has also been faulted for inserting unsourced POV in other places (see the discussion at Talk:Brett Kavanaugh for more, including the use of sockpuppets). I'm always happy to discuss and arrive at consensus with any editor over any article but in this case the editor refuses to provide any sources to back up the POV insertions and is using sockpuppets. As a result, consensus can not be achieved. Best, --Alabamaboy 01:48, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Your revised article looks really good. Excellent work. If you ever need any assistance around Wikipedia, just drop me a line.--Alabamaboy 13:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I wanted to let you know that I've been impressed with your attempts to mediate the Nash article. I also think your new version of the article has much improved the article and that we should go with it (with a few minor changes to the lead, as mentioned on the talk page). That said, I don't have any more time to spend discussing this issue with Root50, who now wants to delete the Carpinelli section altogether. As I said on the article's talk page, Root50 appears to have an ideological axe to grind against Nash. If Root50 could provide even one reliable source to back up what he/she is saying, I'd be ok with putting that info into the article. As it is now, I will not be taking any more part in this discussion. If Root50 wishes to take this discussion any further, he/she will have to do so through arbitration. Best, --Alabamaboy 19:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what else to do. Personally, I don't understand how your rewrite is wrong. I'm going to propose something on the article's talk page. See what you think. --Alabamaboy 17:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Please read the proposal on the talk page. I think it will solve many of the problems.--Alabamaboy 17:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Help!
User:TheVirtualToolshed appears to have started their account for the sole purpose of advertising using their Userpage. I understand policy well enough to have an inkling that this is at best a circumvention of methods usually used against advertisements... but I haven't been around long enough to know what to do about it. Suggestions? Notices that I'm off-base? Thanks in advance. Luna Santin 04:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Report that user at WP:AN because they are a spam-only account. -- GeorgeMoney T&middot;C 04:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That was quite fast. Luna Santin 10:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Interoute
Luna, hi. I am currently working on Interoute's Wikipedia article. I actually have permission to use this paragraph from the holder of the Interoute copyright. Webzilla has somehow lifted the interoute copyrigthed information. Thank you for your keen observation, and I have passed along this information to the copyrigth holder at interoute who I am sure will contact Webzilla. Is there any way that you could remove that tag from my article? Thanks so much!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KellyKinsella (talk • contribs).
 * Luna,
 * My only proof is that I am currently an employee of the marketing department of interoute. I am not certain how to prove this.   I have an interoute email address.  Would that prove it?  I am just desperate to fix this quickly because my boss would not be pleased if he happened to log onto wikipedia and see this giant flag on Interoute's definition page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WhitneyEllis (talk • contribs).
 * PS Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire is definitely my favorite of the series also!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WhitneyEllis (talk • contribs).

Hi. I've reviewed the Interoute article and, quite clearly and without doubt, the "article" is actually an advertisement. The choice of language used is clearly with marketing intent and, as such, meets the criteria for speedy deletion. Wikipedia is not a route to free soft marketing and the very fact that you are running it past your boss in the marketing department makes that clear. If a company is notable enough to have an article then it should be able to stand on its own merits as a NPOV article without puffery. The extant copy has been deleted. A replacement article that meets the standards we set will probably, of course, be acceptable. --AlisonW 20:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Advertising generally falls under #7 "Unremarkable people or groups/Vanity Pages. An article about a real person, group of people, band, or club that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. If the assertion is disputed or controversial, it should be taken to AFD instead." and, in this case, the content was clearly a puff piece and totally POV. Looking at the 'article' I tried to see if something NPOV could be extricated from it, but frankly it seemed that the only thing left would be the name of the company! Once I saw that the creator had passed it by their boss at the company in the marketing department then it became a definite and clear deletion, similar to someone writing their own over-the-top biography on here. As I noted on the talkpages, if there is a good, sensible, NPOV article out there on this company I'm sure one will eventually appear. What was there wasn't it.--AlisonW 22:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

User:TheVirtualToolshed
Blocked. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 14:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

My secret has been unveiled!
Oh dear. What shall I do now? Haha, hi there. It's been ages since we've spoken, I think. I think I said the exact same thing at Renaissance a long time ago, too... -- D a l k a e n T / C 21:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!
Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Luna Santin! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. AmiDaniel (talk) 08:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

User talk:JustBenCrew
Very nice comment. Can I plagiarise it for the future? --Dweller 11:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Seconded, nice work. Matt Eason 11:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

CFD Category: Designated terrorist organizations underway
I thought you may be interested,

see here

Count Iblis 23:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

School storm
Thanks, Luna. I really feel quite distant from the article. My "hard feelings" are rather low-level, and I have no reason to contribute further to either talk page or article—my last note was quite a few days ago. However, I'm concerned about my friend, Andrew Jens; he would be a valuable WPian indeed, and he's making noises about never coming back.

I suppose that I'm disappointed in the attitudes of the admins connected with the storm.

Please let me know if I can help, but I doubt that I can. Your input would be very welcome.

Thank you again.

Tony 02:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

hi
Luna, thanks so much for your excellent management of the cabal thing. You do write well, so if you're inclined, your input to the FAC room would always be most welcome. There's a shortage of skilled reviewers of prose there, and it's been hard to maintain the standards of successful nominations.

Cheers Tony 12:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration
Would you support taking the Nash article issue to the mediation cabal or arbitration? Since I am an involved editor (although my only axe to grind is to keep the article NPOV) but you have already been acting in a mediation role, perhaps you could start the mediation process. Now that Carpinelli is involved again, this process just became more complicated since she has a strong POV she's trying to push with the article. I'll be honest--whatever the official mediation process agrees on I'll support. Best, --Alabamaboy 12:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You know, I don't know what to make of all the screaming about the Nash article. Carpinelli (Polycarp7) keeps going on about it being Wikipedia's fault that her article at Catholic Exchange was pulled b/c the Nash article had referenced it. In addition the two main editors involved in this dispute, Polycarp7 and Root50, have basically only edited the Nash article at Wikipedia. Since they both seem to have either a personal connection to the article or a strong POV on it, I see no alternative to arbitration. Personally, I wish I'd never edited this article in the first place so I wouldn't have to deal with all of this. Anyway, I think the arbitration request would be stronger if we presented it together. If you want to start the process I'd back you up or, if you'd prefer, I can start it and hopefully you'd support it. If you'd prefer to run screaming from all of this, I'd also understand. :-).--Alabamaboy 18:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Andrewjens
Hi Luna, I was wondering if you could say a few kind words to User:Andrewjens who has been harassing User:Sumple, who is a participant in the Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-06-16_alumni_link: see User_talk:Sumple. Many thanks. enochlau (talk) 06:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Luna, wanted to let you know about that incident, but I see enochlau has already posted here. Anyway, I am not happy with the way Andrewjens is insinuating that I am racist/antisemitic or whatever he's trying to do. --Sumple (Talk) 07:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * This user is getting very close to being permanently blocked. You can see my long message to him on his talk page, trying to get him to understand what he has done wrong and why he was blocked for 24 hours. The matter is also being discussed on the admin. noticeboard. I take no pleasure in coming down hard on anybody, but he appears to be totally unrepentant at the moment. If there is anything you can do to get him back on track, that would obviously be better than people hurling blocks and bans at him. If not, maybe Wikipedia is not for him. Metamagician3000 02:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Luna, thanks for your message. There hasn't been any problems since the block. Hopefully everything's okay. Thanks again. You're a great mediator. --Sumple (Talk) 20:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

School storm (and worse)
Hi Luna Santin. Thanks for taking up the STHS case, and for your efforts so far. Sorry if my earlier attempts to put a more objective slant on things ended up inflaming the situation. :-( I've kept out of it for a few days, partly because of other commitments, but also to think through some of the issues. Unfortunately, it looks like things have taken a bit of a turn for the worse. I'm at a loss as to what to do now. I did have some comments about the "compromise" suggestion, but I might stay away for a while longer now. What do you think? I also had some things to say about enochlau. I do appreciate his efforts to protect pages from what he sees as vandalism, but the use of revert (and particularly "rollback") without leaving explanations on talk pages is, I think, one of the reasons why this whole thing started. WP:RV has some very wise words about revert/rollback, particularly with regard to how it might be perceived by the other editor. Anyway, enough rambling. And, enochlau, if you're reading this, please don't take offence. I'm only trying to figure out what happened here, rather than seeking to blame anyone. There are lessons to be learned by all of us. :-( Winterelf 08:11, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Mediation request
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee in regard to the article Jay Robert Nash. Mediation Committee procedure requires that all parties to a mediation be notified of the mediation, and indicate an agreement to mediate within fourteen days. Please review the request at Requests_for_mediation, and indicate your agreement or refusal to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Mediation or contact a member of the Mediation Committee.

Terrorist etc
Hi Luna,

Thanks for your thoughts on Cat Designated Terrorist Organizations. FYI there already exists an article on U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations. AndrewRT 01:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Missing Docs Page
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You! I know you understand. Ste4k 08:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I found where I made mistakes in the history. The diffs are VERY helpful for this. [|My Bad] I did not know at the time that such warnings were "normal", or that they had a specific purpose. It appeared at the time that he was applying them without participating in the discussion, at will, and after calling me a vandal without any justification. Read this later, you will understand then. It is important for me to learn from these mistakes now while they are fresh in my mind. Thanks again. Ste4k 10:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank You Luna
Thanks for the info Luna on how to delete an article that I created. The Punk 11:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I have some ?'s for ya Luna / Thanks again Luna
How can I create a good User Page? And how can I get templates like you do in your user box? And if I were able to help someone with editing an article (like you did for me), how could I find them? Thanks again The Punk 11:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you again, Luna. Your answers help alot. I will contact you again when I have another question. The Punk 12:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Peru's article: Music
Hi, I just wrote a message to the person who did the first reversal giving him my reasons User talk:Freakofnurture. I'm actually working on a better organization of this part of Peru's article. At least, wait for me to finished it please, and then before making the reversal, tell me your opinion or asked me about any doubts you will have. Thanks. --Evelyn Zuñiga 19:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Inactive user
Heh... Thank you for your note. Yes, the bug bit me again and I just couldn't help checking anon RC, looking for vandalism. No longer an admin, but old habits die hard. :) SWAdair &#124; &#91;&#91;User talk:SWAdair&#124;Talk]] 04:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

MoviePosterBid
So what else do I need to do before you replace this article? I removed the copyright violation and do not understand what you mean by "this reads like an advertisement?" Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phishman (talk • contribs)
 * You moved my article, I fixed it, and it has not been restored. You asked me to nag you.  I really would have appreciated being contacted first as would have graciously fixed any problems.  As it stands, I am in Limbo waiting for you to do????  Please restore my article, thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Phishman (talk • contribs).

207.200 IPs
Good work on the AOL es vandalism, if you don't get them I am. Khukri ( talk  .  contribs ) 10:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Luna / One more
You were right that page should not have been there and I have made all endeavors to delete it. Can you help me to make sure I have all references deleted. Vanessabu
 * I am very worried about who has seen the article and how long it was on there for.

How can I be sure all references to this article and all the images have been deleted? Can you help me please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanessabu (talk • contribs)

Ranking Chart
A quick Google search easily displays at least 5 websites with the same exact so called copyrighted material in the top 10 results alone. This is common knowledge, factual, not exclusive publication and therefore I do not believe that it should be considered Copywritten material.

Furthermore, I recently noticed that some pictures that I had added to the unreal tournament section had been removed for copyright infringement. How is that possible since the pictures were taken using the screen shot function of my client?

Def: from webopeida.com copyright

The legal right granted to an author, composer, playwright, publisher, or distributor to exclusive publication, production, sale, or distribution of a literary, musical, dramatic, or artistic work.

I have been coming here for years now, but I sometimes forget why I don’t contribute more often, thanks for reminding me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertsloca (talk • contribs)

Are external links per force a violation of WP:MOS?
Luna Santin,

You edited most/all external links out of the body of an article, ostensibly "in keeping" with WP:MOS. I claim no expertise (or even much knowledge) of the MOS, but it isn't intuitively obvious to me that an external link is by definition (or even most of the time) indicative of an advert.

Just as seemingly obvious internal links can help readers by directing them immediately to a resource without their having to copy&paste and/or search for it, it seems to me that an external link does much the same thing.

By the implied reasoning of your edits, pretty much any external link should be excised from the body of an article. Is there any way to delineate when it's considered OK and when it is an advert?

You also edited factual statements out of the article on similar grounds, but again, I fail to see how this information amounted to an advert, as it merely informed the article's readers how close to the event the submissions cut-off was.

That information is no more an advertisement than noting the fact that public submissions are accepted in the first place, or that there is no deadline for submissions -- or that it is an annual event, that it's location alternates between Place A and Place B, or that a specific type of software can be used for a given task.

I want to understand and learn more about the MOS, so if you can cite relevant references to it to explain your edits, I'd appreciate them.

Thanks by the way, for adding the categories.

-- CounterCorp

Re: Skate punk
Hehheh, thanks a lot. I really appreciate that. I try to do at least a bit of research for an AfD discussion... and I try to be persuasive (but that's not just in AfD discussions). So once again, thanks for the kind words, man. I think every editor's goal should be to make WP better, and hopefully, I do. -- Kicking222 01:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Constructivism
Hi Luna. Thanks a lot for fixing my merge template - first time I've done one. I'm on a very steep learning curve! --Heidijane 11:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

X-American list proposal
Hi, I am contacting you as you have expressed some interest in the current arguments over lists of X-Americans. I would appreciate if you could have a read of my proposal and state whether you support or oppose it WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Thanks! Arniep 11:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Common Knowledge!
A quick simple Google search Returns these results in the top 15:      (blacklisted: domesticgearDOTcom/steroidranking.htm)

Like I said before, its common knowledge! I see it as similar to creating a table of the Olympic team’s scores after the last Olympics. This likewise was a rating of performance; just in this case a different more controversial subject was being rated. It is my opinion that the sharing of information should never be curtailed in anyway, whatever the information or source. Furthermore, if wikipedia has come to the point in its life cycle were informative content is edited away for fear of legal ramifications; maybe it is time for another bolder site to arise.

Yes, a smaller less popular site, somewhere lawyers won’t think to go for at least a few years… now that’s not paraphrased. Someplace with more pictures for us visual orientated folk who like to see bright colors and movement and shinny things. I will refrain from making any edits at wikipedia from now on because every time I do, I just get annoyed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertsloca (talk • contribs)

King's Highway (Ontario)
As it was just created (minutes after he did the CfD), I was able to have it deleted. Then, SPUI got an administrator to put it back. Would you support removal at Redirects for Deletion? If so, I'll gladly nominate it.
 * --William Allen Simpson 04:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

We're at Redirects for deletion.
 * --William Allen Simpson 04:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah! I was out, tonight, sorry I missed your message. Your talk page suggests I should respond here, so here goes. I've supported the RfD, and would probably do the same for any similar discussions. Thanks. Luna Santin 10:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you, but unfortunately, Freak overruled everybody already, and declared us misguided and bad faith.
 * --William Allen Simpson 02:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, another day on Wikipedia. ;) S'pose we won the CfD, that struck me as the important one. Luna Santin 08:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

WTF?
OK basically I'm complaining - I get blocked all the time for Vandalism I haven't done, even by accident. I use this website for research (usually it renders the rest of the internet redundant) so I never edit any of your pages. But I get mesages ALOT saying I've been editing pages I haven't even been to. What's going on? It seems unlikely that all your computers are going wrong or that an administrator is pissed off at me, so could it be a security problem? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.171.198.4 (talk • contribs).
 * I'll respond both here and on your talk page. Your IP address appears to be registered to a school, which would mean that all (or many) of the computers at the school connect to the internet through that same address (in networking, this is sometimes called a proxy server). Because we can only log edits by an anonymous user according to their IP address, all edits by anyone in the school are logged under the same address. Does that make sense? I can sympathize, really. If you'd like to avoid those messages, you can create an account for yourself. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions. Luna Santin 20:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

EDO Corporation
Hi Luna,

Can you please explain to me what exactly is your problem with the EDO Corporation material that you keep editing? --212.100.250.208 20:44, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Replying here, since I can't be sure what IP you'll be under whenever you get this. The first time I looked at this diff, my impression was that you'd blanked the page and replaced it with a political protest; the keyword there is impression, of course, I'm only human. Regardless of our political views, I doubt it would ever be acceptable to have a page's introductory heading read "EDO: Every Death an Opportunity;" as an encyclopedia, we should strive to write from a neutral point of view. That particular heading, plus a very quick read over the material, plus the blanking, set off my intuition, if that makes sense. The second problem is a bit more straightforward -- in the event that we're going to say nasty things about people, we need to have a source for it, to conform to these two very important policies: no original research, and verifiability (see WP:CITE for more information). Hope that helps. Feel free to ask any other questions, I strive to be approachable. Luna Santin 20:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Reverting of my edits to EU enlargement article
Why? . My information was correct. &mdash; 165.228.129.11 05:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Speedy
Hi Luna. No worries. It's not your fault anyway. It's about the WP:VPRF. Cheers -- Szvest 12:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;

Hello Luna!
Hi Luna,

I am cavalierkingcharlesspaniel and was glad that i received a message from you. I do have some questions about wikipedia and was wondering if you could answer them. I joined wikipedia to do different things and do a few pages about my interests and other things, but I don't knlow what user talks are and watchlists are. I don't quite know how to send messages to people and to do other things. would it be possible for you to tell me how to do all of these things?

Re:Oops
Very sorry about that, I was fiddling with comment inputboxes, that was supposed to go into my sandbox. Appears I accidentally used a creation inputbox (now fixed). You deleted before I even managed to get a db-author onto it. So, um, thanks and sorry! Luna Santin 07:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Can happen with all of us. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have moved it to User:Luna Santin/Sandbox, so that you can continue the testing. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank You!
Luna,

Thank you so much for your kind and generous help with getting my talk and watchlists set up. I visited the places that you told me to visit and they've really helped! Thank you again for your sincere help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cavalierkingcharlesspaniel (talk • contribs).

Reverts on Vagina
i can see why you would re edit the page but to call my changes nonsense? that was uncalled for. i can see that they were most certainly offensive, and crude. however, they made perfect sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.30.216.131 (talk • contribs).
 * Here's my revert: . Nothing in there says "nonsense." And yep, that was vandalism. Anything else? Luna Santin 14:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!!
For defending my user page against vandalism. It is much appreciated Bwithh 14:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you I kind of know wikipedia about 68%. I just need help requesting for an administrator for wikipedia and see how many edits I did. Can you help me with that?. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.23.146.3 (talk • contribs).
 * It's difficult for me to figure the edit count of an anonymouos user; I'm not sure if I understand your other question. Feel free to ask again.Luna Santin 20:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Luna... another question
Hello Luna,

I have yet another question. This has to do with the user email. I was browsing around and could not find out how to get onto the email here at wikipdedia. Thank you so much for helping me out with using wikipedia. {cavalierkingcharlesspaniel}
 * Sorry, this is yet another message from cavalierkingcharlesspaniel. I'm sorry that my questions are nonsense and I seem very dumb. I figured out how to get the 'email this user' button working. It is in the toolbox at the bottom with the setting 'email this user'
 * Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by cavalierkingcharlesspaniel (talk • contribs).
 * No problem. Glad you got it. Luna Santin 20:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, i received a message on wikipedia from yourself stating: "It might not have been your intention, but you recently removed content from Aum. Please be careful not to remove content from Wikipedia without a valid reason, which you should specify in the edit summary or on the article's talk page. Thank you. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Luna Santin 13:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)"

Firstly please let me apologise for removing the content without providing a valid reason as i was not aware of this rule. I am a webmaster of many Sikhism related websites which receive a lot of hits from people wishing to learn about the Sikh religion and spirituality. To say that "Ek Onkar" is derived from "Aum" is incorrect and actually offensive to Sikhs. Sikhism is a distinct religion from Hinduism and the "Ek Onkar" sign far from being a derivative of "Aum" actually created a polar opposite to it. Its like saying the name "Allah" should be included here as what it represents (One God) is a polar opposite to the many Gods of Hinduism. Similarly "Ek Onkar" is a polar opposite to "Aum" as its belief is in One God and was not a derivative. To say "Om in Sikh tradition" is a contradiction in terms. The "stylised Ek Onkar" too is incorrect. Right-wing Hindus use these most fundamental of Sikh symbols to claim Sikhism is not a religion but merely a part of Hinduism. To say "Guru Nanak, by placing the number 1 in front of Onkar.." and the supposition that the founder of a faith of several million people merely put a one in front of "Aum" is offensive. Guru Nanak recognised Hindu thought and used it in Gurbani but when you use the most fundamental symbols of any faith you should use them with utmost care. Symbols are often manipulated in this way by right-wing people wishing to cause offense. "Ek Onkar" is a polar opposite to "Aum" so why mention it and if you will then also please mention "Allah" as "Allah" too is used in Sikh daily prayers in the Sikh religion.

Re: Diamondlady AfD
Thank you! I hate it when people who might misunderstand Wikipedia policy take AfD discussions personally, so I try to make sure they know as much as possible about the process and policies so the bases for any decisions are understood. Seems like the best way to keep things civil and on the right track. Thanks for your kind words! -- H·G (words/works) 01:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Mediation case

 * I wonder why a case was opened about me without notifying me. Although the matter is generally moot now that the article is deleted, I would have liked a chance to speak my case. Danny Lilithborne 05:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't upset or anything, just surprised. :) Danny Lilithborne 08:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

University of Waterloo Womyn/Women's Centre
Just to note on the recent change and revert on the Womyn's Centre name. The official name currently is the Womyn's Centre. It will not be changed to the Women's Centre until the bylaw change is ratified at the Fall General Meeting of the Corporation. (All bylaw changes must be ratified at a GM). The reason people may believe it is changed is over the recently adopted Service Review Recommendation that was adopted by Student's Council last month. This was a recommendation to bring forward the bylaw change to the GM, which it will be. Despite that resolution, the name is currently the Womyn's Centre and your revert was correct. I noted this information on the talk page as well. Thanks for catching it :) Jeff 03:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi Luna, thank you for the welcome. I honestly try to do the right thing, if not, I hope you, or someone else tells me how to do better. --AustralienfanRita 08:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

the Violin article
I tried to fix vandalism, but I mistakenly reverted to the current version. 70.20.238.245 11:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Luna
I'm a new kid on the block here

everything seems to be so hard to use!!!!

thanks for contacting me

best wishes

Lala

Please vote more clearly so we get the right outcome
Could I ask you to return to the discussion on deletion of multiracial categories and vote using a clearer word, ie delete, as it is touch and go that the right outcome is going to be achieved. The link is at Thank you. Chicheley 22:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :)
Thanks for reverting the recent vandalism to my userpage :). Fabricationary 03:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

grouping attendants


Hello Luna,

Concerning the group of users issue in the village pump, I answered you. I also started a talk page dedicated to the topic, for further outlooks. Please come at this page as a follow-up.

Yours,

Lilliputian 12:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi lad,


 * I have another topic. Should you know people who could deal with it, please let me know.--Lilliputian 13:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

My RfA result's back... I'm positive!

 * Thank you for the trust you put in me, I won't let you down. :) ~Kylu ( u | t )  02:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

English translation of a dutch sentence
Well I need the help with the translation of a sentence from a page I am using as a reference. I can not get any meaningful translation from babelfish and the Dutch wikipedia people don't seem to have the helpme tag. I hope someone here itself could help me then.

I hope you could help me find someone who can translate this sentence: Kelly’s grootste doorbraak maakt ze als deelneemster van Big Brother the Battle (derde editie, 2001). Unitedroad 11:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I could do with this help because noone at the Dutch wikipedia that I contacted seems to be responding. Unitedroad 11:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Mate I would obliged if you can help me with it. Waiting for your reply Unitedroad 11:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Translation: Kelly's biggest breakthrough she made as a participant in Big Brother the Battle (third edition, 2001).

Heh heh, DVC, eh?
I'm studying right over the hill at Contra Costa College, nice to know there's more than one Wikipedian from the Contra Costa Community College District ;) FCYTravis 19:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi there! Thanks so much for helping out with the table! hoopydink Conas tá tú? 22:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NHC-logo-grayscale-1.jpg
Luna:

As per your note, I uploaded a new image and used the pull-down menu to mark it as a public domain (US government image). I kept the same name but told wiki to delete the former.

However, when I look at the image, the message about copyright still shows up. Did I properly tage the new version? Does it take a few days for the system to replace the old version with the new? I'm still new to this game but intend to occasionally write articles in the future.

--Johnfmh 09:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)John

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NHC-logo-grayscale-1.jpg
Cool beans. I did it. Thanks Luna. Very simple once I got it. Perfect. --Johnfmh 09:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict
Thanks for fixing that. I've been having a lot of problems lately with that Firefox and Google toolbar bug.--PiMaster3 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

List of Ohio State University people
I received this mail from you:

It might not have been your intention, but you recently removed content from List of Ohio State University people. Please be careful not to remove content from Wikipedia without a valid reason, which you should specify in the edit summary or on the article's talk page. Thank you. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Luna Santin 16:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:70.227.193.40"

'Check your sources before you post information!! Your service(s) to the community are embarassing and you are precluding me from obviating interaction with you!'

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.227.193.40 (talk • contribs).
 * Moved from suggestions page. Replied at your talk page. Luna Santin 17:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk Page
I'm some what of a new user. I'm figuring things out - slowly. How do I create a talk page and how do I put my text on a new line without all the br /. --SacredVisions 00:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Third party for the "Talk page" affaire
Thanks for your answer on the Help Desk page, it really helped me :). Now I would issue a warning but I would rather have someone else do it, so I won't look like I'm after him specifically.

Thanks! --Aristiana 22:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As you were replying in my talk page I was reverting. So consider it done! Thanks again. --Aristiana 22:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

reno 911
i apologize.

Thanks
Thanks for the Info! --SacredVisions 18:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

"rmvd advert link" (article "Hermit")
Hi, Luna, I was surprised at your reason for removing the link. I had a quick look at it and did not get the impression that its purpose is "advert". So, I would not remove it for this reason. But same quick look also did not convince me that it is a presentation suitable in this context. Should this link not go into the Carthusian article? (Em, I haven't checked but assume Wikipedia has one on the Carthusians.) 19:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll reply both here and on your talk page, to hopefully be sure you see it. More than happy to discuss -- if you're curious, have a look at my recent contribs, and you should see that I spent a decent chunk of last night removing quite a few links to that website. Then, if you like, have a look at 203.97.0.38's contribs, and you'll see that they spent the past two or three months adding around forty references to what appears to be their personal website. Articles exploring the symbolic links between Jesus and the Hiroshima bombings surely can't have a high encyclopedic relevance to quite that many articles, no? If there was an article the site was truly relevant to, we might point to a specific article, though I admit I'm not optimistic in that regard. Thanks for contacting me, Luna Santin 20:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Removal of links to www.liturgy.co.nz
Greetings Luna

I think there may have been a number of misunderstandings. I think you went to the Hiroshima page where you found a link to a page on my site which relates World Peace Day, Hiroshima Day, and the Feast of the Transfiguration (August 6). You then made the call that this is not of encyclopaedic value - others might judge differently, that is not my point. You then went on to a number of other pages on the assumption, I think, that the links went merely to the Hiroshima page. They did not. Had you looked at the link, you would have seen they go to different pages appropriate to the subject IMO.

You have removed all the links from all the pages.

There was a link from "Liturgy", for example. Having removed the link to www.liturgy.co.nz which presents contemporary liturgical theory and practice, what is left in Wikipedia is a link to "Catholic Encyclopedia" written in 1908! And a link to the Quakers who are explicitly non-liturgical! I am new at all this, and realise I may not have understood and followed all appropriate protocols, and I apologise for that. However, I think the removal of all links to www.liturgy.co.nz is surprisingly over-reacting. There is nothing being advertised on that site. And I can assure you, in tracking visitors to the site from Wikipedia, that those who arrive on www.liturgy.co.nz visit a considerable number of pages, spend significant time on what they sometimes feed-back to have been a helpful resource, and make return visits.

Most of the alterations to Wikipedia sites attributed to the IP address are not mine. I realise it may be better if I create an account, and now understand that I would have been better off placing my link through the discussion areas on a page. However, I still consider the removal of all links, without having looked around www.liturgy.co.nz more carefully, also a bit strong, and hope you will consider restoring them.

With every best wish

203.97.0.38 05:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Sabado Gigante
Hi... and Sorry!

I forgot sign in to edit pages... so i´m not a vandal! So, edit & redir in Sabado Gigante page is because in spanish the name is "Sábado Gigante", but not is in english (the "á" type in english not exist!

Please include the correct name in Wiki... for everybody and not only spanish users!

Bye... raulpt

please don't use VP as a license to revert all anons blindly
Thank you--71.249.1.156 11:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Will reply both here and on your talk page. That assumes I was blind. I will apologize for using VP, if that implies to you that the edit was vandalism, but your redirect is not appropriate, as New York is far from being the only city with a subway system, and the tone of your edit summary was far from civil. Luna Santin 12:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I avoided the assumption that you were enaging in willing vandalism, my mistake, since mass transit is not a form of subway, and the redirect was created just to subvert consensus on subway, and was created by someone who seems to have over 60 blocks for disruption, I was tempted just to speedy it--71.249.1.156 12:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * OHNOZ HE CALLED ME A VANDAL. Seriously, you'll get a much better reaction from people if you don't open up with a full offensive, from the get-go. We're all people, we all make mistakes. Both of us have made one or two, here. Just for your own future reference, when you're acting on talk page consensus (doubly so when it's another article's talk page), it never hurts to say so. I honestly would not have reverted, if you had -- discussed, probably, but not immediately reverted. I review over a thousand edits a day, and I have to make a judgement call with the best information I have available; it really isn't reasonable to expect RC patrollers to go hunting for all related talk pages, so I do have to ask you to bear that in mind, just for your future editing. Before you ask, yes, I'll be chalking this down as an error in my log. Luna Santin 12:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Um, hi, this is all a bit confusing!! I'd love to start helping Wikipedia and thank you for welcoming me. Is this all done through the site? Or are some members on IM's to each other? COuln't find that in the FAQ.... I would say more but I'm not even sure I'm actually talking to someone, or editing a page...lol

Thanks for your Help
Thanks for your help in adding Resident Evil Orchestra to the Resident Evil Template and linking me to those useful articles :) --MikeTheRaptor 22:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
For reverting vandalism to my user talk page :) Mushroom (Talk) 12:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

straw poll
Good idea - for the reasons you provided - but probably won't work - for the reasons he provided... "Wikipedia is no democracy". We've had several polls in the past, to no avail. My latest attempt is new... zeroing in on a fundamental logical inconsistency in his own argument. Since logical consistency is what he uses as his defense, showing that his own position lacks it may prove to be effective. Your help in doing so would be appreciated... --Serge 16:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the welcome message! --TheM62Manchester 11:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

my addition to cocaine
This is from personal observations of the club scene in Scottsdale AZ. Do you need supporting articles for this new behvaior whic his ruining upper middle class families pumped up by inflated housing values and stressed out lives... I can find some ... do I justify it to you?

Welcome note
Hello. I don't know if this was an automatically generated message from you, but it is anyway polite to say thanks :o) PajaBG 12:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

?
What is RfA? --SacredVisions 00:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

County Watch Vandals
It is not a test they are vandals no restore it. And stop interwffing with edits you quite clearly do not understand.--84.9.195.114 11:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * They are not good faith edits. The vandals know full well that what they are doing is incorrect. That they remove comments reporting it is evidence of that. Is typical of them. The are a bunch of propagandist at best.--84.9.195.114 12:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Username entered already in use.
Yep it's probably him. But the thing is, he used it AFTER the block expired. As he pointed out, there is nothing wrong with starting another account as long as he isn't trying to get around a ban and he wasn't. As for Bbnsv, it's iffy. I'm going to request a checkuser later today. If that was him, than he was indeed trying to get around a block. I do find it quite odd that he suddenly stopped editing with his other account. --Woohookitty(meow) 21:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the cites and input, much appreciated! Congirl 22:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC) Congirl

HTML
Yes, I had checked the "raw signature" box, but when I, just to make sure, unchecked and checked the box, it worked, for some reason.
 * What the heck? Now it's not working again (by that I mean my signature)...this is getting a bit creepy. You know, "creepy" is a pretty cool word. I could go on and on about how great it is all day. Yup. Llama man
 * Thanks, your suggestion worked! Of course, this is only a small step for llamas and a giant step for llamakind! Currently, though, the llamas are busy defeating evil oatmeal cookies who plot to take over the world with mustard of doom in their chocolate chips! - The Great Llama    00:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

A Reverted Edit in Latin Conjugation
In Latin conjugation, you reverted my edits (I wasn't logged in). Yes, I know. I know; it's taking a long time, but I edited it so that the article would explain the four conjugations' principle parts better. I will continue working on that section in a wordpad file. Once I'm finished, I'd like to paste it in the article. Thanks for your time! That article needed some heavy revamping from its start. Bye. --Blurrzuki 05:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and there was no offense taken. I'll edit in notepad, so I don't have to remove large sections. Thanks again. --Blurrzuki 13:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

County edits
Hi, just thought you might want to know that 84.9.xxx.xxx is the favoured IP range of the permanently banned User:Irate, who is well-known for causing trouble around articles, templates etc. related to UK counties, and for his curious interpretation of "vandalism". Sorry you got caught up with him! --RFBailey 09:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * For the sake of your own sanity, I'd advise staying out of it! Various people have tried and failed to resolve this, and related, disputes: there are entrenched opinions on both sides, who both "know" that they're right(!). --RFBailey 14:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Warning
This is your last warning. If you continue to make vandalism on the article minarchism or trollic actions on my user talk page, you may be blocked for disruption. --Forget it. 07:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Note -- this was reported to AN/I and the user has been subsequently blocked. See their talk page and contribs for other details. Luna Santin 08:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * We'll get him stopped. I don't know why users like him think that they can get away with this stuff. --Woohookitty(meow) 10:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy help
The redirects I created do seem to work now (all pointing to Artists' Books). Could it be that they take a few minutes to register properly on the server? They definitely were doing weird double loop-di-loops for a few minutes after I created them. In any case THANKS for the help. You're right - that is fast. Emily Artinian 10:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

University of Dundee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Dundee

It seems you have "reverted" back to a previous version of this page using VP?

Please note that the University of Dundee Logo is displayed on this page. This image is copyright and should not be displayed without permission. It may be that permission has been granted (I suspect not) in which case it would be good to show that this is the case. The image University of Dundee logo displayed on Wikipedia appears distorted and does not show the "protected area" of whitespace around the logo.

Thanks for the help
Well, it's good to see that someone agrees with me, but I'm still annoyed by the anonymity of the user who slapped me with the vandalism tag. BTW, I've been editing WP for about two years now - the welcome box was nice, but a little unnecessary ^_^ CNash 12:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey
Ok thanks, no problem, but where has my page gone exactly? I hope everything I wrote hasn't been deleted

Alex


 * Oh ok no problem! Thanks for the welcome :-)


 * All the best,
 * Alex

Commercial link
The link "Article about key loggers and trojan horses" from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystroke_logging is commercial. Please remove it. You can see that this article ended with links to commercial software(see "Related links"). This link is not true article.

Ignatieff article
Hi Luna,

Thanks for your comments on the Ignatieff article. At present, there's a difference of opinion over whether the removed section should be included. Since the section reads as a personal attack, many of us feel that the information should be properly sourced and verified before inclusion. The talk page has more details, if you're so inclined.


 * No worries about the confusion. I'll try to be more thorough in my edit summaries. :) 198.20.40.50 22:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I made some derogatory remarks on the ambedkar page due to derogatory remarks made by an "ambedkarite" jamnadas, a pseudo-intellectual who is known for his anti=-hindu propaganda.His artcile on BG Tilak was added to the TIlak entry as the "dalit view of Tilak." This entry is very offensive towards followers of TIlak's ideologies, like myself. The Jamnadas article does not cite sources and only reflects one person's view. In fact, the "dalit view on TIlak" isnt important enough to be included in a wikipedia entry on TIlak. I realize i shouldnt have vandalized the ambedkar page. It was done in a fit of passion as I was offended by their views. However, i beleive my trying to delete the dalit view of tilak section is justified. please do resolve this ASAP —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.152.144.21 (talk • contribs) 2 August 2006.

No title
Tell him stop steal home page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.136.222.198 (talk • contribs) 3 August 2006.

Citations?
Hi Luna,

I thought that you weren't supposed to put something up on Wikipedia unless it had been published elsewhere.

I added the entries "Jugnu Mohsin" and "Ejaz Haider" thinking that to be the case, but didn't know how to link the entries to the original websites from which I'd basically copied and pasted the information.

How does this work? How does one prove that the information has already been published and how does add a citation?

Cheers, Imad Imaduddin 11:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

*poke*
'allo, Luna.

Hope your editing is going well. Keep those vandals away! *whips out her pepper spray and garlic*

Also, Luna rawks the socks.

<3 Midnight Critter 08:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

keylogger article
Greetings Luna,

I am responding to your deleting of my helpful external link. You asked me to justify the encylopedic value fo this link. I think it is one of many examples of this type of software. As an IT manager for my company, I have tested many of these types of programs and this is the one we deployed several times when an employee was suspected of fraudulant activities.

I am new to wikipedia and obviously not as active as you are. However, I believe the link is valuable. I would also like to ask you, what is the encylopedic value of the other external links? Most importantly:

http://www.monitoringsoftwarereviews.org/ which is clearly a commercial site that is selling many types of these programs under affiliate programs.

The link I am proposing is a direct example of what is already mentioned on the article "and additionally, some programs also record or take snapshots of what is displayed on the screen."

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cheezyd (talk • contribs) 4 August 2006.

Thanks
Thanks for your kind welcome :) I only use this ID to make articles though and prefer editing under my IP so people can be sure where I am from. Mema435 13:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

keylogger article edits
Hi thank you for your reply.

I agree, that spam is a problem in all forms, including wiki spam. I read the guidelines for external links as you suggested and I see what you are getting at. I also agree that the link I added is to a site selling something. It is the web site of a company. By design, all companies sell something.

From searching around previously, I could not find any open source or freeware versions of this type of software. If an open source (not for profit) existed, I think it would be a better choice as a link.

While I haven’t edited any wikipedia articles until now, I have used wikipedia for a very long time. I have noticed that many wikipedia articles link externally to company web sites. And, as I pointed out, all of these companies are in the business of selling products or services. For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_stock has links to both Kodak and Fuji web sites which sell film.

Or, for something closer to the topic we are discussing…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware links to Lavasoft and Safer Networking (under Software). Both companies sell software to prevent spyware. Under a strict interpretation of the external link guidelines, both of these should be removed.

However, I do think they have value. Users come here for information. And it is reasonable to assume that some of the people looking up “spyware” actually have spyware on their machines and need help getting rid of it. In which case, the article would not only inform them, but also help them. Which I think is great.

By the same token, someone looking up keyloggers could either be a scholar or a person who needs one. In a paper encyclopedia, under “snake”, the best you can do is have a picture of a snake. But wouldn’t it be cooler to have a piece of snake skin too? This is, in my opinion, the best part of wikipedia. The ability to provide “real” examples. Either by embedded pictures, sound or video, or by linking to external sites. As a result, I think an external link to a site with keylogging software would improve the article. And that is what we are here for isn’t it? To improve the articles?

To be honest, this will probably be the last time I edit an article. While I usually view debate and discussion as a good thing, in this case I didn’t expect to spend so much time defending my small, first time, edit. I can only imagine this probably goes on quite a bit so maybe being an editor is biting of more than I can chew.

You seem to have adopted this article and are very protective of it. So I will leave it up to you. Change my link if you want to. Delete it if you want to. I believe it has merit.

Regard,

CheezyD

IT WOULD HELP
if you read all of what has been going on on my talk page.

And my question got awnsered.... by ME!!!

have a nice day,-- Mi ss  in  gn  o.  21:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)