User talk:Lundse/AH RfC

Standstill
I have halted this RfC for now - the user was blocked for 24 for namecalling and now seems to be improving his behaviour ever so slightly and although I have no expectations, one can always hope it gets better with time. I have chosen not to confront him on issues dealing with this RfC for now (though I have reiterated certain arguments once again as I do not believe I should censor myself) - I am afraid it might make him "flare up" again. I hope this is the last edit on this page before I blank it (for now I am keeping my options open). Lundse 11:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

RfC request (message sent)
I have been attacked one time too many by User:Andrew Homer - see his response to my last request he stop personal attacks I am going to start an RfC and I was hoping you would certify it as a user who tried to resolve the problem. If you will leave a message about this on my talk page I set up for this purpose, you can also see more about it as I am drafting the RfC there.

Regards, Lundse 10:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Comments
For others to leave comments about this RfC - if you came here because of my message, thanks. Look it over and tell me what you think. I am drafting the RfC below (this is my first, so I am being cautious).


 * If you put forward this RfC, I will certify it. Unfortunately, I have to confess that I don't think this is likely to have any effect on Mr. Homer's behavior, but we have to try, I suppose.  This user does not respond to queries, merely insults and attacks anyone who questions him, and seems to be genuinely delusional. siafu 14:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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Statement of the dispute
I and others have repeatedly tried to make Andrew Homer stop making signed, POV (and sometimes personal attack) edits in article space. His behaviour in the talk pages is extremely offending, condescending and not conducive to any sort of debate.

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Description
Andrew Homer is an astrologer, who after I talked out against him having a vanity page (which was removed with a convincing consensus) somehow got mad at me. He makes personal attacks (not just against me, but primarily), which I do not think this is up for debate (check the diffs). Several editors have asked him to stop, both ones who disagree with his views on astrology and those who agree.

The problem stems from his view (shared by at least one other astrologer here) that in order to test a claim put forward by astrologers, one must know about astrology. It is my claim that one must know about scientific validation in order to check such a claim for scientific validity; that one can test the claims and results without knowing the theory (like you can test whether a car can drive without knowing about engines).

Furthermore, I think that AH does not aknowledge WP:CITE based on his statements and continued disregard of it. His edits are often extremely personal in nature, even when not direct attacks.

I am sure instances can be found where I have been snide or curt towards this user, I am also sure these do not warrant such a level of personal attacks (plus refusal to discuss) or that they are in any way in against policy.

Also note that Andrew Homer has another account called StarHeart (not sockpuppetry, he just changed after I suggested he userfy the personal page he set up).

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Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * His second-to-last response. Note that I asked him to tone down...
 * Last answer; again, note what he responded to.
 * Log of his personal article which got deleted, note his respones.
 * His response to an editor asking him to stop making signed comments.
 * Here he is joining the police state discussion (he has no edits on the talk page)
 * Another at police state, this time very personal.

Applicable policies and guidelines
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 * WP:CITE
 * WP:ATTACK

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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