User talk:Luvcar


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Promotion of your organization and sockpuppeteering
I appears that all three accounts are the same person, namely you:


 * User:Janovanwiki
 * User:Mhtchealthcare
 * User:Luvcar

It appears that you are promoting mhtc.org.my.

Please stick to one account and don't promote that organization any more. If you persist, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Thank you, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Anna Frodesiak,


 * We are Malaysia Healthcare Travel Council (MHTC), which is the official government agency to handle Malaysia medical tourism information available online. However, we need to clarify that the user: Janovanwiki is not us. We do not know who created that user.


 * Looking at the information published in Wikipedia about Malaysia medical tourism, the information is incorrect and inaccurate. As a government agency, we needs to ensure the information, especially statistics are not wrongly reported. In order to revise the information (we do not know who inputted the initial information), we started to create the user: Mhtchealthcare. However, the revision has been reported by user: DarkFalls that the contents are promotional, thus changed back to the original wrong information. We tried to explain the situation to the editor but we can't proceed any as Mhtchealthcare has been blocked for indefinite time. Below is the message:


 * "Editing from Mhtchealthcare has been blocked (disabled) by DarkFalls for the following reason(s):"


 * Thus, we have to create another user: Luvcar to resubmit the information in no promotional contents (though we do not have any promotional intention even in the first revision.


 * However, we still receive your feedback that it is still promotional.


 * Kindly note that information published in Wikipedia can be by anybody. Thus, the most trustable information should be from the official provider itself.


 * mhtc.org.my and medicaltourism.com.my are the official governmental websites for Malaysia medical tourism. Thus, information published in these websites are deemed to be trustable and should not be viewed as promotional. Example, if we need to provide information about the world economy, you would want to reference to World Bank website. But will you consider that as promotional contents to promote World Bank website as well?


 * Kindly note that if the information is not being revised to the correct information, we will need to publish in our websites that the information available in Wikipedia on Malaysia medical tourism is deemed to be incorrect and inaccurate. The reference websites used to support the information in Wikipedia disagree with the information published as it does not reflect the truth of the medical tourism industry in Malaysia.


 * Thank you. 01:35, 12 July 2013‎ Luvcar


 * Hello there, and welcome. My apologies for suggesting that Janovanwiki is also you. It is a single-purpose account that only edited Medical tourism and Medical tourism in Malaysia, promoting the same organization.


 * You say "...We are Malaysia Healthcare Travel Council (MHTC)..." So, how many people use this account to edit?


 * You also say that "...Thus, we have to create another user: Luvcar to resubmit the information..." That is really evading the block. But, you weren't blocked for having a conflict of interest. You were blocked for having a username that was the same as your organization. But, simply creating a new account when blocked is not allowed. Please, no more new accounts, okay?


 * As for the content that you wish to add: It is disputed by two or more editors and you have a conflict of interest. In order to add it to the article, you must first discuss it at the talk pages and get consensus from the community. The appropriate talk pages are as follows. I suggest you pick one only and state your case. When you've done that, I may post at the other talk page with a link to your post, so that others may comment.


 * Talk:Medical tourism
 * Talk:Medical tourism in Malaysia


 * Please read: Plain and simple conflict of interest guide


 * Thank you, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Anna Frodesiak,


 * Appreciate for your reply. I supposed there are 2 issues here:


 * (1) Multiple username


 * You say "...We are Malaysia Healthcare Travel Council (MHTC)..." So, how many people use this account to edit?
 * => Only one person exist. The same person.
 * => I use the word "we" because MHTC is an organisation.


 * You also say that "...Thus, we have to create another user: Luvcar to resubmit the information..."
 * => As mentioned, mhtchealthcare was the first user created but was later blocked by DarkFalls which disabled us to even explain the situation. So, at no choice, I have to create another user: Luvcar. And luckily this time you did not block me so that I can explain the situation to you.


 * I hope you can see the clear situation now.


 * (2) Incorrect contents


 * The information remains incorrect as I've just checked it. This information will mislead the audience as it does not reflects the actual situation of Malaysia medical tourism.


 * When you said I have "conflict of interest", was it solely because the contents was submitted under an organisation name? If so, I guess the editors are too bias and subjective towards the right source of information. I do agree at times, organisations may use Wikipedia as a platform to promote themselves but the editors should not expect this to happen at all the times. What we want is just the correct information to be displayed reflects the actual scenario, particularly this is about a country's image.


 * Nonetheless, I'll talk your advise to post our concern in [Talk:Medical tourism in Malaysia] for the last option before we post the warnings in our websites.


 * Thanks again for your assistance. 08:23, 13 July 2013‎ Luvcar


 * Just you using the account is fine. :) Don't worry. I won't block this account. Please understand that you do indeed have a conflict of interest. (Plain and simple conflict of interest guide) But, you are welcome to edit, and the place to start is the appropriate talk page. Let them know you have a conflict of interest, state your case, and be neutral. I'm here if you need me. Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Indent your posts
Hi Ronz,

I have tried my best to provide the correct information about the scenario. All those references provided are independent. Did the editors make any efforts to verify the information and the references are correct? I think that is the most important function of the editors in ensuring the information accuracy of this website. I am tired and have no more time to proceed further. I will inform MHTC to issue the warning in their websites. Thanks anyway for your suggestions. I just do not have any energy to proceed further. Regards.
 * Thanks for responding. I'm concerned that haven't read or don't understand our conflict of interest policy, and the recommendations on how to edit with a conflict of interest. --Ronz (talk) 16:49, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ronz,

The statistics are definitely wrong. Malaysia never received more than 1 mil. foreign patients. I do not know who inputted the initial information. Most of the contents are inaccurate. Below are the accurate information with relevant references. You may verify it, pick and choose whichever you prefer if you think its relevant to potray the true scenario of the phenomena. It doesn't matter if I'm an independent individual or from the organisation. Most important is the accuracy of information displayed in this website. Have a good evening.

>>> Medical tourism in Malaysia is ranked in the top five destinations for health tourism.[1] Chee (2007) reported that the Ministry of Health Malaysia had set up the National Committee for the Promotion of Medical and Health Tourism in January 1998 in an effort to develop medical tourism in Malaysia. [2] According to Wong and Musa (2012), the function was later reassigned to a newly Cabinet approved agency, the Malaysia Healthcare Travel Council (MHTC). [3] Malaysia is well on its way to develop itself as a medical tourism hub. Majority of the foreign patients seeking medical treatments in Malaysia are from Indonesia, Singapore, Japan, and West Asia (Frost & Sullivan, 2010; UNESCAP, 2007). [4] [5] According to the MHTC's official portal, Malaysia received more than 670,000 patients from around the globe in 2012. [6] While Malaysia has a national accreditation healthcare scheme (MSQH), many of Malaysia's hospitals are currently firmly on the way to achieving international healthcare accreditation such as the JCI. Malaysian hospitals such Gleneagles Hospital, Kuala Lumpur, International Specialist Eye Centre, and Penang Adventist Hospital are among the JCI accredited medical facilities. The Ministry of Health has launched a medical tourism page that provides medical tourism information access to general public. [1]

References:

1. http://www.medicaltourism.com.my 2. Chee, H.L. (2007) Medical tourism in Malaysia: international movement of healthcare consumers and the commodification of healthcare, Working Paper Series No. 83, Singapore: Asia Research Institute. 3. Wong, K. M., & Musa, G. (2012). Medical Tourism in Asia: Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, and India, Chapter 11. In: C.M. Hall (Ed.), Medical Tourism: The Ethics, Regulation, and Marketing of Health Mobility (pp. 167-186). Routledge. 4. Frost & Sullivan (2010) Malaysia's medical tourism industry has healthy vitals. Online. Available HTTP:  (accessed 7 June 2011). 5. UNESCAP (2007) „Patients without borders: An overview of the medical travel industry in Asia, its challenges and opportunities‟, paper presented at UNESCAP EGM, Bangkok, Thailand. Online. Available HTTP:  (accessed 5 June 2011).] 6. http://www.mhtc.org.my/en/statistics.aspx >>>


 * Understood and thank you. I've copied it to the talk page where editors can go over it carefully. --Ronz (talk) 17:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Conflict of interest policy
Hello, Luvcar. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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Please respond to this. I've reverted your edits since it seems haven't read this policy and don't seem to be making any effort to comply with it. --Ronz (talk) 15:50, 14 July 2013 (UTC)