User talk:Luveluen

Welcome
I've posted here for you this template with the regular soup of links to the more useful introductory pages. While there's no need to read all that (there are lots and lots of them), I found it myself that template first links invaluable when some friendly editor posted it to my own talk page, some time ago. You may also find the Tutorial useful for a quick, hands-on introduction to the fundamental rules (just skip the first tabs about editing if you already feel confident). Also be sure to read the five pillars, they are the best summary of what all the rules are about. Diego (talk) 17:18, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Crypt of the Necrodancer
Hello Luveluen,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Crypt of the Necrodancer for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. --MrScorch6200 (t c) 22:05, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Article restored
Hey, just wanted to let you know that I restored the article Crypt of the Necrodancer. I initially saw the page via a speedy nomination for the talk page since the original page had been deleted, but then decided to take a closer look. I have to admit that initially I was going to AfD it, but then saw that the game seems to easily pass notability guidelines even with the pre-review coverage. I'm really sorry that you had your page deleted under these circumstances, but it's been restored.

As far as why it was nominated, it was probably because the original state was a little shaky. That's not entirely an excuse because the review it did have would have been enough to spare it from a speedy even if it was an online game, but it does still happen. It's why I tend to build articles in my userspace (WP:USERSPACE) and transfer them out into the mainspace afterwards. It gives me a chance to find sourcing and flesh out the article, especially if I'm not used to something. Now as far as sourcing goes, the unfortunate truth is that odds are people will likely not want to improve the article after you leave. This means that if you leave an article looking shaky, the next person might not look deep enough for sources that would establish notability. It's really why I create things in the userspace, so I don't have to worry about people deleting something before I had a chance to finish an article. I've had things tagged for notability even before I had a chance to finish filling something out. We do have "in progress" tags, but those aren't always foolproof. I don't mean this to sound like I'm trying to blame you, just that userspace creations are the way to go as far as I'm concerned. You can typically create the page by typing User:Luveluen/(article name) into the search bar. An example of one of my userspace pages I'm working on can be seen at User:Tokyogirl79/Northampton Clown, if you're curious at what a full name would look like. That article's a good example of something that would be deleted in the mainspace, but can slide by in the userspace until/if the point comes where I can move it to the mainspace.

Now one thing I do need to explain is that some of the rationales for it being kept on the talk page aren't really ones that would count towards notability. Saying that something is the first of something or a prominent example of something isn't really an argument that can keep a page. It all really boils down to coverage in reliable sources such as Joystiq and the like, as being the first of something doesn't automatically mean notability.

There are some other elements, but those were the main points. Ultimately the article was notable and while it was shaky, it was excellent for a first article attempt. The previous paragraphs might have sounded harsh, but really- this was better than many of my first articles, plus it was much better sourced. (View my shame, VIEW IT!! XD ) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:38, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've asked someone at WikiProject Video games to kind of mentor you and take you under their wing. You might want to join the project as well- anyone can join as long as they have an interest, but I thought that it'd be nice for one of them to mentor you since you have an interest in video games. Offhand, I think that you have a pretty good future here on Wikipedia. I'll warn you that it can be a steep learning curve, but don't lose heart. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   09:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * On a side note, if you could get permission from the game's creators to get a screen grab or two, we can use that to help illustrate how the game looks/plays. I know that closed beta testing can be tricky, so I don't want you to get in trouble if they say that you can't distribute them. Sometimes game devs are picky about that. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   09:08, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much
Thank you very much for your help, especially for the userspace advise. I will use that from now on. My reasoning in the "contest the deletion" page was certainly off. At the time I wrote it I had a hard time containing my disappointment of having my first entry shot down within a few hours. I received alpha access and permission of the creator to use any artwork/information for wikipedia earlier today. The reason I did not completely work out the page at first was, that when I tried to upload an image I read the notice of possible copyright issues when I do not have permission - so I pushed working on the article back until I was able to attain it. Then everything happened very fast. Anyway, I really appreciate your help with this. I will look into the project you referred me to. I mainly chose a video game topic for my first entry so that I will not break anything too important with my first clumsy steps, but I am somewhat knowledgable about video games, so I might just be of use there, too.

Luveluen (talk) 10:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Eh, if you do break anything don't worry- we all started out where you are right now. I'm still pretty impressed by how well the page was and re-reading some of your comments, I really do think that you'll do well here because you do seem to understand policy very well for a beginner. In any case, I'm going to award you a barnstar for not only doing a good job with what is your first article, but also trying to argue within policy and not getting overly upset when the page got nominated for deletion. As far as permission to use screenshots, that's awesome! We might have to file a ticket through WP:OTRS for some things, but I've not really had to do that as of yet. Then again, I've never done screenshots of a video game so you'll definitely need one of the video game wikiproject members to instruct you on that. I've usually uploaded just basic labels for stuff, which are typically considered to be fair game because they've almost always used as an identifying feature and/or have been widely distributed as part of a press kit. I don't blame you for erring on the side of caution when it comes to images though- that's kind of a weird thing when it comes to copyrights and stuff. The justification I put on the one for the CotN is pretty standard and should work in most cases when you want to upload a file that's of an official logo. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   12:28, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

 The Video game Barnstar

For an excellent start on Crypt of the Necrodancer Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   12:28, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Mentor
Hey User:Luveluen, I came across the discussion about you on the Video Game Wikiproject talk page. If you do want a mentor, feel free to drop a note on my Talk page at any time. I can't guarantee that I'll get back to you quickly, but I will try to answer any specific query you leave me. And, as you've probably already gathered, if you have a specific interest in video games, the Video game Wikiproject talk page, is a great resource for help. &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 14:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I am, likewise, happy to help :) Samwalton9 (talk) 17:09, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind words and offers, Frecklefoot and Samwalton9. The last 2 days I have been working on also getting the according wikia started to refresh my memory on source code. (http://www.crypt-of-the-necrodancer.wikia.com) But now I feel prepared and ready to put work into Wikipedia. I will take you up on your offers when I run into problems (which I am bound to) and have questions. Luveluen (talk) 05:56, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Though you didn't ask for it, I'm going to offer some free tips now: don't use HTML markup in your comments (if you can possibly avoid it). As you've apparently noticed, the software doesn't insert paragraph breaks if you use one carriage-return (so you inserted &lt;br&gt; to force it). If you use two, it will insert the line break, albeit with extra whitespace as well. Don't worry: Wikipedia editors are used to seeing this and won't think your comments look weird (you'll get used to it too--it's actually a Good Thing--and it actually improves readability).


 * Next, when responding to comments on the talk page, insert a colon on the line before your response. A colon at the beginning of the line indents your text. More colons (e.g. :::) indent it more.


 * Lastly, it's convention to insert your signature on the last line of your response rather than on a new line. Not a big no-no, just convention. HTH! &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 15:20, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much, this is exactly the kind of knowledge on conventions that I am lacking. You helped me a lot already. &mdash; Luveluen (talk) 11:45, 17 January 2014 (UTC)