User talk:LynnMaginnis

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AfC notification: Draft:Edward Forman has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Edward Forman. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 18:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Teahouse question
(formerly: "Draft:Edward Forman")

Hi, your draft is here: Draft:Edward Forman. I'm writing to you about it here because the original teahouse thread has now been archived. Tagging @Mathglot just as an fyi. -- asilvering (talk) 20:56, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


 * You say that there is a box with "choices you don't understand" - do you mean the big grey box that says Draft article not currently submitted for review. at the top? Don't worry about that - it has some links to some helpful pages on how to write articles and so on, but you don't need to do anything about it. When you're done the draft and you're ready to submit it, you can click on the blue "Submit the draft for review" button in the bottom right of that grey box. -- asilvering (talk) 20:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Asilvering, No, that is not the box I'm talking about. Neither is what @Hoary said about the Options box I mentioned. My original sandbox link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LynnMaginnis/sandbox/Edward_Forman?action=edit no longer works. The page you link to has been renamed Draft: Edward Forman and box beneath says it's a redirected page. I click and get a popup Options box with a checked box for redirect, a left menu listing page settings, categories, advanced, etc.  I shouldn't have to go to this conversation page to access it. What is the link? Every time I stumble on the page Mathglot has  continued rewriting and revising, moved and tinkered with it beyond recognition. It seems like you all have taken it over. I just want the page back. Please, please leave my page alone for now so i can deal with all this input . But I need to access it directly...what's the full direct URL so I can access and log in? LynnMaginnis (talk) 00:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, I noticed your original post on the Teahouse page but never responded as it seemed there was already a discussion. Wikipedia preserves each version of an article or draft under the history tab. If you go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Edward_Forman&action=history then you can click on a version from any date to work from. You can also use this page to compare and see what other users have added, subtracted, or changed in the draft. Feel free to contact me if you need any help formatting the page or dealing with Wikipedia's quirks. Regards, Rjjiii (talk) 03:01, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you but when I clicked your link it said that @Theroadislong moved it. 76.88.87.15 (talk) 23:17, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, that was quick! The history follows the article when it moves. Try this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Forman&action=history Every page here has a link that will say "View history" or "History" at the top of the page. Or "last edited on ..." at the bottom if you're on a phone.
 * From there you can find, for example, the last version before you asked for help at the Teahouse or the last version that you edited. To compare changes, you can just pick two versions and click the "Compare selected revisions" button. Rjjiii (talk) 01:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @LynnMaginnis ok, I'm stumped - because that link I gave you isn't a redirect. Here is the full URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Edward_Forman. You can click on "edit" (or "edit source") on that page to edit the draft. Or you can use this URL directly to open Visual Editor on the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Edward_Forman&veaction=edit. I hope these help? -- asilvering (talk) 03:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's in mainspace now, so those links won't help either. You'll need: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Forman or https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Forman&veaction=edit. -- asilvering (talk) 08:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * What is mainspace 76.88.87.15 (talk) 23:11, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @ This isn’t my original at all and Mathglot has a long article with many sources that is completely different from this. I don’t know where that is either. 76.88.87.15 (talk) 23:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Lynn, The article is here ⟶ Edward Forman. You mentioned additional information and references you had in a Word file, which you can add to the article. Is there anything else you need to move forward? Mathglot (talk) 23:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you a billion for the discreet links. :-) And a duh from me about the article length…I forgot to open the sections. 76.88.87.15 (talk) 23:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ideally when editing Edward Forman, you should be logged-in first, so that the edits show up under your username, so try to remember to log in before updating the article. Mathglot (talk) 23:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * "Mainspace" is where articles go. It's the stuff that has a URL that looks like wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_title. That's instead of, for example, "draftspace", where the draft was before, which is wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Article_title. When readers browse wikipedia, they're browsing articles in mainspace. The rest of the place, like draftspace, or userspace, where we are now, is less evident to normal readers; it's the "behind the scenes" stuff. -- asilvering (talk) 00:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @AsilveringSo what you are saying is that it has been published already? 2600:1700:9700:B80:FDBB:8CA8:7765:2699 (talk) 20:24, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is published. Mathglot (talk) 21:06, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Also tagging in other helpers: @Karenthewriter, @Hoary, in case you don't mind continuing to help out. -- asilvering (talk) 21:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If you submit your draft Draft:Edward Forman for review I would be happy to accept it. Theroadislong (talk) 21:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)



@Mathglot  I appreciate you having taken time to help. However, I cannot access my sandbox page with the link I was originally given. I get a redirect saying the page has been moved, then click that link and a big Option box appears with choices that I don't understand ....  Why did you move the page? Where is my sandbox now? What is the new direct link?

I briefly saw the page you had rewritten completely, which wasn't the help I requested. But I don't know how to get back to it to pick it up from there as you suggest.

Just an FYI, I have not submitted anything for review. I have a draft written in Word which has more info and multiple solid sources. LynnMaginnis (talk) 18:34, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello again, Lynn,
 * The comment you added to the Teahouse question after it was archived isn't likely to be seen by too many people, so I've boxed it up above, and we can continue here. did see it, and responded and linked your draft above, and I've added courtesy links at the top to make it easier for you to find stuff. I expanded the article, because I realized that the Forman topic you began in your sandbox and raised at the WP:Teahouse is "Notable", in the Wikipedia sense of the word, and deserves to have an article about him. As part of the expansion, some of the material I added overlaps some of what you had written before, so it could use some additional copyediting to remove duplicate content, and smooth it out for better narrative flow. Do you feel up to that?  In addition, as you have more details and sources in your Word document feel free to add that, too, and work it into the existing structure, or add different section headers if you have new info that doesn't fit anywhere in the current scheme. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, so you may find other editors adding to it, or otherwise improving it, so hopefully the information you have in Word can be added in a way that improves it further. Thanks again for starting on this worthy subject! Mathglot (talk) 21:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mathglot  Would you please put the draft back in my sandbox so I can work on it. Also, while it's in this stage I asked for help formatting, not editing. Now it's like you won't let me finish it before editing. Isn't my sandbox draft my own to work on until I have a solid draft with the content I know needs to be there? Did you just appropriate it so it's now your draft?  LynnMaginnis (talk) 00:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Lynn, you can work on the draft now, just by clicking this blue link: Draft:Edward Forman. As it turns out, it was a different user who moved it, but it doesn't really matter who moved it there&mdash;you are more than welcome to edit it there. But to answer your questions directly:
 * no, it's not "my" draft, because nobody "owns" articles or drafts at Wikipedia, and anyone can work on them anywhere, no matter where they happen to be.
 * but it's also not "yours", either, and any editor who feels like helping out can do so, even if it is located in a user sandbox.
 * A key feature of Wikipedia is the collaborative working environment, meaning we all work together to build the best articles we can for this online encyclopedia. Every time you save your work here, whether it's an article, a Draft, or your own sandbox, you'll see a little message above the publish button that says, "By publishing changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 4.0 License and the GFDL." so it isn't really "your" article, as a shorthand, you could say it belongs to everybody. If you have notes and sources to add to the Draft from your Word document, I encourage you to do so, at your convenience. Mathglot (talk) 01:19, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I feel a little insulted by you assuming I don’t know it’s a collaboration and giving me a long lecture. Of course nobody owns information. But nobody has cared for years and suddenly a newbie, me, who doesn’t know the Wikipedia technical environment asks a technical question and the article I started is completely removed and the subject moved to some other space I don’t know called mainspace. It’s very hard to introduce new information to a draft that is changing so fast that it’s different every day. I am traveling and can’t work on it til next week. Also What happened to the long draft you did with all the pictures and sources listed? I saw that somewhere. When I click the link above it takes me to a 2 graf page with 1 picture. 76.88.87.15 (talk) 23:35, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to help, and if you feel insulted, I apologize, that was not my intention; I was trying to respond to your question about whether I took it over and it is now "my" draft. (It isn't.) What would work best for you at this point? Would you like to have your original version back, the way you left it the last time you edited it, and placed back in your sandbox so that you can work on it there in peace?  Then you can just reply here when you are done, and we'll merge your newly added information into the main article.  If you're okay with editing the updated article directly, that would be preferable, and it's now at ⟶ Edward Forman. Just click that blue link and it will take you to the latest version, with multiple sections, paragraphs, and images. Mathglot (talk) 00:33, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I opened the sections. So I see it.But I shouldn’t have to come to this thicket of verbiage to access it. Someone else gave me the discreet link and I hope/think that works. 76.88.87.15 (talk) 23:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @LynnMaginnis In the future, if you're trying to find anything you've worked on before, you can access it in Contributions. If you're on the desktop version of the website, look in the upper right-hand corner for the person-shaped icon to open a drop-down menu with Contributions as one of the options. It's possible to use Wikipedia in several different layouts, so let me know if you can't find this - I've described the default layout, but you might be using something else. -- asilvering (talk) 00:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Have you copied your Word document, used a text editor (Notepad++, Geany, or similar) to save it as a text file, and started marking it up for references and so on? -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have moved your draft to main space Edward Forman where you are free to continue editing. Theroadislong (talk) 07:46, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Edward Forman
What is your relationship to the editing of Edward Forman? If any, who is your direct employer, and if any, who is the client making the payment? Since the article subject is deceased, it obviously isn't the subject... I am asking so I can properly label the article talk page. Graywalls (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)