User talk:Lysozym/Archives/2013/Jun

Is Qizilbash really an Ottoman Turkish word?
Hello there! :-)

The reason I said Qizilbash is Oghuz Turkish is because I don't think the Ottoman language could have possibly formed the term. Here's why... Firstly, Ottoman Turkish didn't use pre-modifiers. The Ottoman language was heavily influenced by Persian, to such a great extent that its word ordering imitated that of the Persian language. So instead of saying 'Qizilbash', Ottomans would have said 'Bash-e Qizil'. That's because the Ottoman language didn't place the modifier (i.e. adjective) in front of the head (i.e. noun). Instead, in Ottoman the modifier came after the head. So in Ottoman, if you wanted to say "Ottoman State", you would say "Devlet-e Osmani". Qizilbash is broken into two parts: a head and a modifier. The modifier is Qizil, and it comes before the head (Bash). This is actually the natural way for Turkic languages. Naturally, Turkic languages use pre-modifiers instead of post-modifiers. But Ottoman was so heavily Persianized that it behaved unlike the Turkic languages of today.

So it brings me to the question of whether or not Qizilbash originated from Ottoman Turkish. To me, it seems like the word was conjured up by a purer Turkic dialect than Ottoman. Finally, I must apologize for boring you with this horrible explanation. :-P --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 15:45, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Scythians
Looks like Slovenski Volk is trying to remove the Iranian origin of the Scythians once again, even though the sources says that the Scythians were of Iranian origin. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:39, 30 June 2013 (UTC)