User talk:M.K/Archive

Soviet OMON assaults on Lithuanian border posts
In your reverts to the article Soviet OMON assaults on Lithuanian border posts on 24 July 2006 at 11:03, after my edit, you put the words "fraud edited" in your edit summary. Are you implying that my edits are some sort of deliberate misinformation? On what basis? Moonshiner 04:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * MK said on 09:17, 26 July 2006 on my user page "your edits were wrong and misleading."
 * You changed several parts of what I edited. What do you find "wrong and misleading"? Also, please leave your future comments in this conversation thread instead of my user page. Moonshiner 23:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, 5 days and no response from you despite the fact that you were editing other parts of Wikipedia during this time. If you are not going to provide any evidence of how my edits were "wrong and misleading" (and quite frankly I don't care what ends up in the article one way or the other), I demand that you apologize for calling me a fraud and claiming that my edits were done with ill intention. Moonshiner 22:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * MK said on 09:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC) on my user talk page: "first of all pick your words then replaying personaly. "
 * I don't understand. Moonshiner 16:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Map
Your map of the PLC contains a major error. Livonia was ruled jointly by Poland and Lithuania. It was NOT a Lithuanian fief. Please correct this error.
 * Dear, annon. if you still visiting wikipedia and mine talk give me a note, because on this issue I have different opinion M.K. 09:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Various
I don't mind moving photo to a new place in Laurynas Gucevičius :)), but I intended adding more photos next to it. I've seen there are his drawings in some Lithuanian museum, but what about a copyright to use it? Can you help? Juraune 21:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I left you a note in your talk.M.K 08:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps this will help: Manual of Style (pronunciation).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For Jagiello. I don't have much thoughts about other issues. The KW user is rather new and I had not had any significant contact with him. If he doesn't use talk and breaks the 3RR feel free to report him for the 3RR violation. Let's hope it won't come to that.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * A good place to voice your concerns may be the Baltic States notice board.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Email
Please check your email. Renata 02:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments
Your comments on Jogaila was an interesting read. That disscussion really lacked different point of view. Hope something good will come up as a result. Juraune 06:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Vytautas vandalism
Hi, I cannot protect the page because I am not an admin (yet). However, at this point there is no reason to protect because there were only two reverts and pages are protected only when situation gets completely out of control and the page is reverted repeatedly. First I would try to communicate with that person on the talk page. If not, and vandalism continues, go to the WP:ANB to report the situation and request for help. (This is my first time I am checking Wiki in like three days - what a refreshing feeling;] ). Renata 18:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome!
Sorry for not answering for so long. I just came across the discussion, had some ideas and wanted to contribute at least in this way - my contribution to English Wikipedia is very limited so far, and probably will remain so, given my limited time and access to sources recently. Cyon 17:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

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Jagiello
Would you care to visit at Talk:Wladyslaw_II_Jagiellon_of_Poland. YOu indicated that you support the simple "Jagiello" - now there is a formal listing going on to sign supoirt or opposition. ObRoy 21:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

The contemporary titling of pagan-era Lithuanian monarchs should be balanced in intros of biographies and should be explained in the article text
I have studied this matter, for I know that medieval issues and institutions are often misclassified in our modern literature. They are looked through eyeglasses which do not correspond to the actualities of the time.

This specific question realized because I observed the too-simplified treatment these monarchs get, on basis of current American and English conception of Grand Dukes. They seem to be think mostly that of current Luxembourg. There is a good review on the title of Lithuanians and others at Grand Prince, which is a different matter than Grand Duke. This difference should be made clear, at least by a link to the proper article and not to the less relevant article.

Of course the intro of any article could not be a page-long rant. There should be a concise but balanced view on the nature of the monarchy they had.

Whereas some latter chapters of the article could (and should) explain in full what was their monarchy and their titles, including their translations, meanings and connotations.

The elements I regard important and necessary are: 0) being monarch 1) medieval Lithuania 2) native title Didysis Kunigaikštis 3) its meaning and level in contemporary context, i.e High King' 4) a mention of its later official translation, that of Grand Duke of Lithuania 5) link to the article "Grand Prince" 6) The Lithuanian realm being that of Lithuanians and Ruthenians and being at least half-Slavic.

Enlarged chatechism:
 * being monarch, not directly saying either king or grand duke, signifies that there are varying conceptions of the level of the monarchy in rank


 * medieval Lithuania is a different thing than modern Lithuania and also indicates to the correct period, silently saying that modern conceptions are not necessarily the correct ones in contemporary sense


 * native title Didysis Kunigaikštis makes it clear that any foreign version is just translation or interpretation


 * contemporarily High King: kunigaikstis and knjaz are cognates of king. It is as kingly as those of Buganda, Zulu, Ladakh, Nepal, etc, whom we do not deny that status. Knjaz was a part of system based on agnatic divided inheritance and tribal (clan) society. Didysis k. and Velikiy k. are high kings in approximately same sense as they had one in early medieval Ireland, and Agamemnon in ancient Hellas, and usually in other clan societies too. This point is supported also by the contemporary breviary examples: Jogaila was titled Oberster König der Litauen, Magnus Rex vel Dux Lithuanorum, Grosser Köning zu Litauen. Gediminas used Lepthanorum Ruthenorumque Rex. (Do you think the high king and king are impossible accounts of the contemporary perception?)


 * that Grand Duke of Lithuania is a later translation, dependent on the context where value of titles have already seen some inflation, where a higher title (King of Poland) is gained and there is not so much need to require fuller recognition of the status of Lithuannian title.


 * link to the article "Grand Prince" in order to help find proper information about the whole development and a larger picture, also to other countries too.


 * Lithuanian realm was that of Lithuanians and Ruthenians and being at least half-Slavic: proto-Belarusians shall not be ignored, the balanced view between Slavic and Baltic elements mentioned, explains also why battles near Kiev and not so much in eastern outskirts of Vilnius. During these rulers, the realm quite much corresponded the area of today Lithuania and Belarusia. Gives a background why in other places of the article reader may meet Slavic used as one administrative language, etc.

These are main reasons why I am not satisfied with an intro just stating that one was grand duke of Lithuania. And not satisfied with an article putting Lithuania and its monarchy in status under those of Poland, Navarre, Sardinia, Zulu, Bhutan, Buganda etc - and on par with the grand duchy of Luxembourg.

An encyclopedia article's task is to explain thiongs to readers and to correct misconceptions, not perpetuate such. Maed 19:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Samogitian
What do You suggest to do with this article? Please write to bat-smg:user_talk:zordsdavini. Zordsdavini 11:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm speaking about article Samogitian language. Zordsdavini 12:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hay, To do that is very difficult, becouse my opinion is subjective but I'll try. Zordsdavini 07:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Polish medieval monarchs naming
Hi. I have proposed to move the following monarchs from their current, generally Polish-spelled names (with diacriticals) to the systematical English name, citing my general ground that English should be used, not Polish. Would you share your opinion at Talk:Bolesław I the Brave, Talk:Bolesław II the Bold, Talk:Mieszko II Lambert, Talk:Władysław III Spindleshanks, Talk:Jan I Olbracht and Talk:Kazimierz III the Great. Marrtel 19:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Lithuanian grand dukes
As reply to inquiry, no, I do not speak Lithuanian. Would be nice if, but no.

My studied interest in the matter comes from my general nterest in feudal societies and specificaly a topic, the history of the title grand prince and grand duke. I contributed to those articles long ago. I use for example excerpts of contemporaneous texts, to find what titles they actually used, and what the context meant. Maed 15:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Belarusian language
Those were completely moot edits, dear M.K. Argue with Karskiy, not with me, providing opposing works of same caliber, not your say-so. Of course, I'm removing your "contributions". ---Yury Tarasievich 06:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Lithuanian language
Lithuanian is conservative only in one single portion of its grammar: nominal morphology. In lexicon and verbal morphology it shows vasts innovations, and ever since the discovery of the laryngeals and the reconstruction of the PIE accent, it's known that Lithuanian's phonology is quite removed from that of the proto-language. I know many professional Indo-European scholars who are tired of hearing from nationalists that Lithuanian is somehow special among the modern Indo-European languages. CRCulver 08:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * If you are going to leave comments on my talk page, could you please use proper English spelling, punctuation, and grammar? It's not too much to ask that you write decent English if you are going to contribute at the English-language Wikipedia. CRCulver 20:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for helping to clean up the disambiguation notes on the monarchs. It's been a real headache for me to untangle all the Ladislaus/Wladislaus names, and I've been getting dizzy trying to figure out which name of which monarch is which nationality. If you see something incorrect or seemingly biased creep in, please do by all means change it. All I ask is that you assume good faith on my part, as I'm honestly trying to portray things in as fair a manner as possible, but may occasionally miss something simply because there were soooo many titles for the kings and queens of that era. :) --Elonka 17:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

On page archiving re: Talk:Vytautas the Great 1
Labas, one should not create separate pages for archives. Archives should be in a sub-page (the one with "/" sign). Why? Because in your version it looked like the article got deleted and an orphan talk page remained. That's a speedy deletion criteria. Now the way I moved it, it's clear that the page is not an independant page, it's only a subpage of the main talk page, and no one familiar with the way wiki works should wish to delete it. Questions? :)Renata 18:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Jogaila
Hi there. Despite a whopping victory for the name Jogaila on the previous vote, the Polish users have got upset and called yet another vote. They want to get it moved back to the old unpopular name Władysław II Jagiełło. If you are interested in stopping this, you'll need to cast your vote again. Sorry for all this tediousness. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 03:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Tips
Thought you will find it interesting and relevant. Renata 01:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Royal/Ducal/Rulers' palace
As irgi siuliau Royal palace, bet tada prasidejo gincai ir priekabes del valdovu titulu. "Rulers' palace" keltu maziau diskusiju, nes konkreciai nenurodo kokie buvo valdovu titulai. Ghirla yra nesukalbamas trolis, bus su juo bedos. Sigitas 13:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Originalus mano sukurto straipsnio pavadinimas ir buvo Royal Palace, bet ta pacia diena Ghirla ji pervadino Ducal Palace. Sigitas 14:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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Image:Lietuvos-Lithuania 5.jpg
Could you upload a png version of this image? Thanks. Renata 18:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And one more thingie. Could you make the background not white, but transparent? Thanks! Renata 15:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Why do you think it is not transparent? M.K. 19:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Because if you look at my userpage in mozilla, you will see that there is a white box around that image. Renata 19:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I could not do this, if it have a white back.; but try this one - M.K. p.s. btw, do you ever stop monitoring people? p.s.s. and this one try too
 * It does not let me to download :( could you upload it here? Over the old pic? (click "upload new version of this file"). Renata 15:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe somebody else solved this issue. Am I right? M.K. 12:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yap. Thanks to Andrius! :) 13:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Very good indeed! M.K. 13:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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 * Delayed reaction. One more note; not necessary that web page etc. copyright status applies to all information provided in it. No need to overwork. M.K.

City names
Dear M.K., different city/town names in the first sentence of the city/town article is not evil. For many foreigners it helps to locate the article. Renata 19:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dear Renata, very quick answer :) But it creates problems because we will have to fill the headline with dozens with different spelling names and this is EN wiki.. M.K. 19:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)p.s. People if want, I say really want to find different names, which are not proper in any sense now, they uses this - Names of European cities in different languages

A better place :)
Hello, MK! Pleased to meet you. I hope I'm sending this message correctly - I just discovered the joys of Wikipedia a few days ago.

Maybe I should change that sentence to "Perhaps as a result of constraints on the food supply during the Soviet era," ...

My Lithuanian relatives did not suffer as much from shortages during those times as my Polish relatives; the Nowickis stood in line for many hours for bread, while the Novickas relatives describe the lines as lasting no more than an hour or so.

DYK
mine first DYK :) M.K. 14:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! Novickas 19:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * thanks! and thank you too M.K.

Hope you don't mind...
... copy-editing your sandbox Renata 02:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, enjoy the plunder :) M.K. 09:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

It's nice to go on vacation and nice to come back
Hello, Ponas MK, if you have anything that you think I could help with, pls let me know. (Trugdykiditi kaip jus norite)

Award
Since its better later than never... I, Renata, hereby award you, Mr. M.K., this one-of-the-kind Wall of Bricks Award for building awesome articles about castles and palaces in Lithuania. Display it with pride because you deserve it. Continue your great work, and don't let anyone to derail you. Renata 02:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

re Thanks
Hey, ne-yra uz ka, as an editor I bow to the awesome power of creators. Keep it up Please. Novickas 15:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Re Renata
This is awful! But just a few days ago she said "Don't let anyone derail you"! (On the other hand she also said, about your award, "better late than never", which could be seen as an omen in hindsight) Am trying to think of what else we can do. Ideas will come eventually, don't you think - or maybe she just needs a break - in any case I'll try to keep up the level of support. Novickas 21:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Request
As the Americans say, okey-dokey. I have some time. Novickas 13:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Well done ! Congrats. --Lysytalk 23:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 17:24, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Question about Mongols
Reading your most recent article in your workspace made me wonder: why did the mongols not succeed in conquering the Baltic states? Any theories floating around? They did get awfully close. If there are any theories about that it would be interesting to add a sentence or two about it, or a link.
 * Mongol-Tatar issue I will cover a bit later, because that you see is small part of mine project, which I am write piece by piece due to practical issues. If you have specific ideas, events etc, always fell free to suggest in work space talk or here :). M.K. 18:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The Big Picture
Just wanted to check if you knew that I edited a piece written by Renate User:Renata3/1219-1377 - does that fit into the bigger scheme of Wiki Lith. history?

Cuisine
Dear MK, if you have the time, could you look over Lithuanian_cuisine? I did a major rewrite of it yesterday. Novickas 13:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OKY! I will take a look. M.K. 19:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Laurynas Gucevičius comment
I've taken your last comment from Talk:Laurynas Gucevičius before anyone responded to it, because I don't think we need to escalate personal conflict there. If you need to do this it may be better to use Halibutt's talk page instead. I hope you will agree. --Lysytalk 20:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It was a question not accusation, directly linked to the made statement. if you think it is right way let be it M.K. 08:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Lithuanian cuisine
Dear MK: I would like to add a paragraph about Lithuanian honey. You wouldn't by any chance have a photo of a jar of honey (honey photographs well) or of Lithuanian beehives (these are unusual and beautiful)? There are a lot of bee and honey lovers out there who would be interested. Also, could you give some advice about a Lithuanian usage that I've always heard: humans and bees numire, which in English translates to "pass away" - used only for people - whereas other animals just "die". And do people still call their good friends "biculai"? Are these archaic usages? (If so they would described as such) Hope all is well, don't get Wikistress! Novickas 14:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * :Oh, how could I have forgotten šašlykai! But I don't know anything about kučiukai. BTW never mind about numire/pastipo. Can still put in something about honey, bees, and biciuliai. I'll check out the potatoes-introduced-17th century. Later - Novickas 19:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, the picture of Kučiukai is great - could you put it in the article? I'm still trying to figure out how to upload images and/or pull them in from other parts of Wikipedia. My mother called them something else which I can't remember. You're lucky to have had šašlykai, maybe out at someone's sodas, washed down with 50 grams, in the company of friends and relatives... Novickas 21:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, you correctly diagnosed a case of nostalgia (:. In Re potatoes: am having a hard time documenting their widespread cultivation in L.; but it does seem to be more towards the end of the 18th century rather than the 17th. An article about Estonia relates potato cultivation to the increasing autonomy of the serfs; several articles state that potatoes achieved widespread cultivation in Prussia after the Seven Years War; others mention that Catherine the Great issued an edict commanding the cultivation of potatoes. In light of all this, I will change the date to end of the 18th century.

About degtine: the original article stated "illegal in Lithiania". This can't be true - I've had degtine from Vilnius. Of course there has always been moonshine, but that is a separate category. I'm planning to reword this entry a little. Wish I still had the bottles for reference! It's amazing what triple distillation will do.

I know this is kind of personal, but I think you and my cousin Egidijus would have a lot in common. I can't help but hope for more co-operation between the English and Lithuanian wikis, especially now that Renate is taking a break. I'm going to try to involve his son Jonukas too.

About images - you seem to know a lot about that- there's one thing I still can't figure out - if I purchased a painting, an original, can I then take a picture of it and put it on Wikipedia? Have a beautiful painting of the Nemunas, would like to post it; also our family has a large collection of original works by Adolfas Valeskas, an old family friend - these were gifts, how does that work?! Novickas 16:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Gugutis
You know I have problems communicating with certain Baltic editors, of which you seem to be the most reasonable. Could you explain what User:Gugutis attempts to achieve in his revert-warring campaign? -- Ghirla -трёп-  10:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I hope that Gugutis will finally explain his views on talk. At first, when I saw his en masse reversion to the unwikified version of the page, I suspected vandalism. Now it seems more likely that he has a problem with WP:OWN. Probably we should refer him to the page and explain that nobody owns his contributions in this project. -- Ghirla -трёп-  20:31, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Miscellaneous
Here I was puzzling over the changes to Ukmerge, and you did the Gordian Knot thing. About images: thanks for your encouraging comments. I posted a request-to-have-an-images-request-area in the Lithuania Portal, no response yet; maybe no one has really taken over the portal since Renate left? Also have some photos of public sculpture that I don't remember what they're of, that would be nice to include - will upload these and hope someone knows them. But need a spot. Regards, Novickas 17:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, have finally found the spot for images, thanks! Here is an off-topic question: about the former name of Ukmerge - Vilkmerge - were there a lot of wolves? (I would ask my father if his hearing aid worked better) One of our relatives, who ended up in Warsaw, has a stuffed wolf that supposedly was shot by our great-grandfather near Ukmerge. Wolves, fascinating topic to lots of people! Could Vilkmerge possbily be translated as she-wolf? And why are you people always going to sleep just when I'm warming up? Novickas 18:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, then it could be put in as a possibile derivation of the name. People here still engage in arguments about possible place-name origins. That might be because a lot of the Indian languages that contributed names are extinct. For instance they're still arguing about the derivation of "Chicago". Thanks! Labanakt! Novickas 19:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Since Renata is out, they will search for new victims. They succeed only because Russian, Lithuanian and German editors have to fight alone. We are divided along the national lines when we need to stand united. -- Ghirla -трёп-  08:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt and Talk:Laurynas Gucevičius
I've just seen the recent development at Talk:Laurynas Gucevičius. I suggest, that since you're unhappy with Halibutt, you either discuss it in userspace or open a formal RFC. Spamming talk pages of unrelated articles is not a good thing to do, really. It does not lead anywhere and is only counter-productive. Please, take a minute to consider this, sincerely. --Lysytalk 09:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Lysy! I do not spam this article at all! Particular contributor asked for clarification and I only provided it in order to boost productive work on wikipedia. Regards, M.K. 10:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, but you started this discussion there by writing: To avoid further puzzling, I suggest you to open some sort of official survey in order to find that other contributors thinks about your contributions, possibly you will be surprised that you will find out. M.K. 18:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC). I'm not sure why you did this and what is your purpose, but if you think this case deserves and RFC than I'd suggest you go ahead and file it. Otherwise this will lead you nowhere. --Lysytalk 13:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And you are totally wrong here again. Not I started this "discussion", check your sources again. M.K. 15:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * M.K. I think you're getting me wrong. I'm not accusing you. I'm also not trying to patronize or intimidate you (I know that would be useless ;-) ). I only made this remark and hope you would appreciate it as a friendly comment, nothing more. Regardless of who started it, I consider the dispute there pointless, and potentially harmful at that particular place. I'm writing this to you and not Halibutt only because I am sure Halibutt would agree with me on this one. In my opinion continuing such dispute particularly at Talk:Laurynas Gucevičius, would be only useful if you and Halibutt wanted to further antagonize Lithuanian and Polish editors, which I hope neither of you do. I must say I have also noticed your ironic comment at Talk:Russian_Enlightenment. All right, that's all I wanted to tell you, do with it what you find appropriate. --Lysytalk 16:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Lysy! Probably, you are right about wrong place for this sort of discussion. Thanks for the tips. M.K. 17:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree more. Start a formal RfC on me and provide at least one piece of evidence of my disputed behaviour there. Or simply stop slandering me.  // Halibutt 01:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Look at Laurynas Gucevičius article, ah yes, I forgot it is "nothing" and just "empty" words. Time to look there once more time... M.K. 08:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, just empty accusations intended to damage my good name. So far neither you nor your friends managed to provide a single piece of evidence to back up the slander. Not a single one. Yet, you repeat the same set of accusations here and there. Should I start acting in kind? Should I start to accuse you and yours of conspiracies and other fancy things? Nope, that's not the way.
 * That's why once again I'm extending my hand towards you: please provide a single piece of evidence or withdraw your remarks. Please.  // Halibutt 09:12, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Read again Laurynas Gucevičius article talk. M.K. 09:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

M.K., just ignore it. Egomaniacal trolls feed on attention. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 12:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Will do. But I just wondering, one contributor running all around and shouting to provided "at least one" miss conducted "contribution" and then you do it he says nope not this one; maybe it is some sort of game. I will monitor activity, maybe I will find rules of this "game". M.K. 19:07, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Did Dan's comment I mirrored on his page have any relation to Lithuania at all? Nope. I could similarly state that this edit proves your paedophilia or that this one is a proof of your anti-Brasilian hatred. This would not hold the water, but would be equally offending. You stated some fancy things of me and perhaps it's high time you behaved properly and either provided backup for your absurd claims or apologized. I'm anti-Lithuanian? Prove it. I hate Lithuanian names? Just one diff would do. One relevant link and I'll shut up. Otherwise you'd have to bear me asking you to become responsible for your own words just like I am for mine.  // Halibutt 07:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Is situation of yours is so bad, that you are showing me Marcinkus and Gugis?. Nevertheless I will repeat myself again READ Laurynas Gucevičius article talk…AGAIN!  M.K. 08:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No, this was just a random edit of yours to show you your absurd ways. But now then, I cooled down a bit. Let me ask you one more time then if you could find a single evidence for your slander? Let me remind you of the accusations you made:
 * that I ever committed an ignorant insult towards any nation at all
 * that I ever committed an insult towards any language at all
 * that by promoting the Lithuanian culture and history on wiki I actually try  not to allow anything Lithuanian on WP
 * that by discussing things with everyone at the talk pages instead of revert warring I pursue a mission of not allowing anything Lithuanian
 * that I every suggested no Lithuanian toponyms for Vilnius should be used
 * that I ever suggested that there was not a single poet among the tourists to visit the forest of Anykščiai
 * that there were no Lithuanians living in the area of Central Lithuania.
 * As I already said, a single diff or link to my comment would do. You already pointed to me some completely irrelevant links, but a diff would solve a problem. A single diff.  // Halibutt 09:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Although I prefer to not get into this argument which is degenerating into a "He said, She said" type of circus, I want to make two comments. First Halibutt, your remarks on my talk page do not "mirror" my remarks to you. They do not, and your saying that they do several times, is false. So please re-read both my and your comments again, in context. Secondly the "impression" that you have an anti-Lithuanian bias, is strong and widely believed amongst the Lithuanian community on WP. Since you deny this, I would ask them to take you at your word, and allow you to edit their material without any kind of rebuttal or opposition. This should probably satisfy you. Dr. Dan 14:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * So far you've directed me to the talk page four or five times. And I did read it all at least three times. But there's not a single proof there.  // Halibutt 07:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Is this really a solution? -- Ghirla -трёп-  16:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * New conspiracies. -- Ghirla -трёп-  07:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, for the note. Desperate actions I see. M.K. 09:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Image identification
Could you do me a favor and look at the pictures on WikiProject Lithuania? They were taken about 1996 and I don't remember what they are, but I think they could be a nice addition to some article.

DYK

 * Congratulations AGAIN!! Novickas 19:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! M.K. 21:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:RfC Halibutt
Indeed I will.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Question about .lt sites
Dear MK: do you know whether government sites in the .lt domain are public domain, as with US government sites? Also - still can't access vilnius.lt, and can't send them an email either; since you can access it, could you maybe send them some notification, or see whether they are aware of this problem? Sincerely, Novickas 15:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Žirmūnai
Link added. Perhaps references to the sources in Lithuanian should have titles translated into English? Juozas Rimas 20:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)