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DAB name
Hallo, you moved Carlos Martins to Carlos Martins (disambiguation), but "the title of a disambiguation page is the ambiguous term itself, provided there is no primary topic for that term. (WP:DABNAME) --Christian75 (talk) 09:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, my bad, thanks for correcting my mistake.  Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Tea and biscuits?  09:53, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Your userpage
Hello. Your userpage (like mine) has some images which may be misplaced or not chown when using a different skin. I'm sure you usually see [ this (vector)], but I decided to use a different skin for examples. If you click on any of the links, you will see what I mean (I'll not show all skins, just four for examples):
 * [ Monobook]
 * [ Modern]
 * [ MySkin]
 * [ Simple]

So you have seen what I mean... Also, if you noticed, on the [ Modern skin] (I'm using this, as this is what I checked), collapse boxes do not work. I know I have some of the problems listed above, and I'm working on them (I cot rid of my collapse boxes already). Just a notification of "malformatted" userpage contents.  Hazard-SJ Talk 09:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks for telling me, yeah I know :/ problem is I don't know how to fix these issues, I'm not an expert when it comes to dealing with cross-skin issues, I've moved the flags, as for the topicons, I'm not really fussy about those, but I thought that topicons were displayed the same on all skins... it seems I'm mistaken. Thanks again.  Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Tea and biscuits?  10:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem is that I've been repeatedly told that their is now way to fix the cross skin issues unless someone feels like re-writing the entire Media-Wiki code (not something I suggest). So I'll work on it but it will always look wrong in someones skin.  Mr. R00t    Talk  17:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * When I click edit the only thing that shows up is \. Why is that?  Mr. R00t    Talk  17:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Goto User:Fridae'sDoom/ as I transcluded my userpage.  Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Tea and biscuits?  22:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ All fixed. It should look okay in all skins except for "Simple" and "MySkin". Cheers,  Mr. R00t    Talk  23:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks r00t :)  Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Tea and biscuits?  01:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. And thanks for the Barnstar. Cheers,  Mr. R00t    Talk  01:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

It is not perfect but it isn't jumbled anymore. Your current time is now above the topicons instead of below it.  Mr. R00t   Talk  02:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks again r00t!  Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Tea and biscuits?  02:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sticking to old version, this whole cross-skin incompatibility is doing my head in.  Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Tea and biscuits?  02:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, that works to. And it only fails in a couple of skins. ;)  Mr. R00t    Talk  02:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks r00t for all your trouble in fixing the alignment issues, if only that blasted fix wouldn't have catastrophic implications...  Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Tea and biscuits?  02:47, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Unjustified deletion
Hi, why are you doing vandalism – removing needed FAQ and even wrote (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALGBT_parenting&action=historysubmit&diff=382040323&oldid=382028685) that "I am refusing to accept the facts as they're laid out."? It is owerhelmingly clear you is the one who has not a single reliable secondary source of the same level of importance and quality to counteract the fact there is none research and none researcher of LGBT parenting which suggest otherwise than is owerlhelmingly accepted scientific consensus in the fild as is demanded by the WP:UNDUE policy and WP:RELIABLE content guideline? Please stop trolling and get familiar with the facts a Wikipedia policies! --Destinero (talk) 10:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * While I'm not sure of the exact circumstances, I would like to point out this essay and this essay. Acather96 (talk) 10:09, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Acather :) I've already submitted an ANI report, I never knew I had tps's. Good to know someone is willing to answer in my stead. :)  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  11:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Userpage
I think I did what you asked.  Mr. R00t   Talk  18:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No you didn't I meant that you have the boxes as individual boxes but part of a greater body. Sort of like what Arbitrarily did with the lower boxes.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  23:58, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Hi Hersfold
Thank you very much, but I don't have much need for the crat flag just now. I don't do a whole lot around RFA, Bot Approvals, or renaming requests, which are the main areas crats are supposed to help out at. I appreciate the offer, though! :-) Hers fold  (t/a/c) 18:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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Re: News
My regards, for the loss of your beloved friend. We might not have crossed path, but you have my shoulder for support. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 05:56, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I appreciate it, this all happened so unexpectedly since he knew his surroundings well. I just can't believe it.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what they say, your loved ones never really leave you. You can always find them even in the smallest of things. At the end of the day, that will put a smile on your face. And thanks for my contributions, but alas, I have no intention to be an admin at present. Much engrossed in the development field, to have time to takeover the mop. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 06:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Aye tis true :) that's what keeps us going. Very well I respect your wishes, if you do ever change your mind I'll happily nominate you.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  06:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear this. My friend died suddenly at the age of 16 – I won't ever forget him.  Aiken   Drum   11:17, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's sad that they miss out on a lot of things in life, how they could get taken away at such a young age, I just don't understand.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  11:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Confused and Need your Help
I have been working on Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Brad Farynuk and kept getting comments about notability even though the person written about clearly is noted to have played more than 100 professional ice hockey games per these wiki rules Notability (sports). Now my article has been declined by you even though the person was Notable by Wiki definition. Please advise on how to get my declined article back on track.

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 * This could use a quick answer, or I'll go ahead and create the article in question soon. Thanks. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 22:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I answered on the user's talk page and created the article.  Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Tea and biscuits?  22:29, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 22:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, glad to help. The article originally had some minor issues but they have since been taken care of :) Thanks for the poke.  Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Tea and biscuits?  22:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!!!!! Fan4Hockey (talk) 22:53, 5 September 2010 (UTC)Fan4Hockey


 * You're welcome :)  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  21:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

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GA review
Hi Fridae'sDoom, I noticed a GA review you recently did at Talk:Anne Marie Louise d'Orléans, Duchess of Montpensier/GA1 and was a little confused. You seem to be saying in the checklist that the article doesn't meet all the criteria, but then you've passed it as a GA. Do you know you can put the article "on hold" to allow the nominator to fix the issues before passing? Sorry, I don't mean that to sound patronising at all, if you already know that, but I couldn't tell from your userpage whether or not you've done any GA reviews before. -- Beloved Freak  12:22, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's ok, it was only those two issues that I found that were the problem, I didn't think there was need to put it on hold since they weren't really major issues that hindered the viewing and understanding of others. What do you think?  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  12:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to sleep now so I'll respond to your questions in 10-12 hours time. Thanks!  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  12:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's up to you as the reviewer. If it was me, if I felt that any of the criteria hadn't been met, I'd put it on hold to allow for that to happen. I'd also give a more thorough review with suggestions for further improvement, but that's not to every GA reviewer's taste. I haven't looked too closely at the article itself, I'm just going from the discrepancy between your checklist and decision to list the article as a GA. If you feel that the lead is not long enough (and I agree with that; it doesn't cover all the main points of the article), then that criterion has not been met. Only a few MOS points need to be adhered to at GA, but WP:LEAD is one of them. There's no hurry to pass a GA nomination, many nominations are put on hold, even from experienced nominators.-- Beloved Freak  13:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The images used have had their copyright term expire. I wasn't trying to contradict myself, more so that I thought that putting it on hold because of the Lead might be taken about in the wrong way since it meets the other criterion without fail.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  20:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think you need to worry about it being taken in the wrong way, you just say it's nearly there, and there is just x, y and z that needs to be fixed. Regular GA nominators get used to fixing things in order to bring the article up to scratch, and new nominators quickly learn from reviews. Nominators that are looking to improve the article beyond just getting the GA stamp, and are possibly even looking to go to FA, appreciate a thorough review. The point is that the article is listed as a GA when it meets all of the GA criteria, not just most of them.


 * Having looked at the article a bit more, I'm a little worried that there might also be some parts of the prose that are a little unclear and would need improving to meet criterion 1a. (I already fixed a couple of spelling and punctuation errors, which come under 1a.) I hope you don't feel that I'm getting at you here, and I certainly don't want to put you off GA reviewing, as it's a task that needs more editors. I just want to make sure you/we get it right. I'm off to bed myself now, but tomorrow I'll have a closer look and if you don't mind, outline the bits I think there might be problems with. I'm a bit too sleepy now, and it might not be as bad as I think, so I'll look again tomorrow. Again, I hope you don't mind me taking a closer look and don't feel that I'm picking on you in any way!-- Beloved Freak  21:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Rightio then, thanks :) I read through the article and didn't find any issues bar the Lead and cause of death theories/speculations.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  22:08, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I still don't understand why you passed it if you think there are issues. Anyway, I've looked through the whole thing and made some copyedits, but there are still too many things that seem unclear to me, things that I don't think can be fixed by me, or you, but by someone familiar with the article and in possession of the sources. I've started a community reassessment because I don't feel completely confident in reassessing it individually. It's not the kind of article I would normally pick at WP:GAN so I'd rather get some other eyes on it. Also, as you don't see much wrong with it, it would be helpful to get other opinions, in case I'm seeing problems that aren't really there! Feel free to comment at the reassessment, whether to make suggestions or to disagree with my comments or whatever. :) Sorry to do this to your first review (your first, right?), but I think the issues are fixable and hopefully it will stay as a GA.-- Beloved Freak  18:38, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixing up some of the issues per the GAR, yeah this is my first review, quite horrible at that. Thanks for the help. I've got a lot to learn before I become a good reviewer.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  01:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Fridae'sDoom, as you edit the article on La Grande Mademoiselle, would you mind giving clearer edit summaries than just "fixing issues per GAR"? What are these "issues"? Could you spell them out at each revision? And why did you GA pass it so quickly while there is so much work to do on it? Nobody had time to read the article, edit it, or interfere in any way, that you had already passed it. Even after the work BelovedFreak did on it on 10/11 September, there is still quite a bit to do. Why the rush all at once on this particular article?

--Frania W. (talk) 02:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Check the GA Reassessment page for the issues that I addressed. My edit summaries were brief intentionally, I didn't intend for them to become mini-articles in and of themselves.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  02:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You are the reviewer and, without making "mini-articles" of your edit summaries, you should make things clear for everyone to see; otherwise, it leaves everybody in the dark as to what the "issues" are.
 * --Frania W. (talk) 02:40, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Understood, when I address an issue the GAR page will be updated so I assumed people would be looking to see what's been done and what hasn't been done.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  02:46, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The edit summary is intended to give a brief description of what has been done so that anyone can read it when checking the history page: "fixing issues" does not mean anything, and when going back to the GAR page, the reader will not know which "issue" was fixed and when.
 * --Frania W. (talk) 03:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was in a hurry to get these issues addressed that I didn't bother with a descriptive edit summary. As I said I will make sure that I do so in the future and avoid overlooking the importance of edit-summaries.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  03:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

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My User page & my Talk page
Fridae,

Would you mind telling me what you were doing
 * at my user page ?
 * User:Frania Wisniewska
 * and at my talk page ?
 * User talk:Frania Wisniewska

This is vandalism.

--Frania W. (talk) 05:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Those messages belong in the User talk space. If you want I can undo the changes at your request.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  05:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * But what business is this of yours? The contents of my User page have been put there by myself for a reason. And even if they did not belong in the User space, it is not for you to decide what to do with them.


 * --Frania W. (talk) 06:03, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, I'm worked up so please excuse my rather odd behaviour (more odd than usual might I add), I've been edgy lately.  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  08:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

George Washington
Thanks for nominating George Washington for GA – it's an important topic that should be one of our better articles. Unfortunately I've had to fail it. The amount of work needed to make it match the GA criteria is going to take a while, and preferably would involve people who either already know a bit about Washington or have good access to sources on him. I will keep the article on my watchlist and attempt to assist with the article's development now and again.  SilkTork  *YES! 15:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

GA Reviews
I see that you are willing to get involved in Good Articles. Would you like to pick an article that has been nominated, and we can go through the review together?  SilkTork  *YES! 18:32, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

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Adoption
Thank you for being a great mentor, and for adopting me. Sadly, school and my recent complications from a spine surgery have not allowed me to edit as much as I'd like to. Because of this, I am going to take myself out of the adoption program, and will continue to edit on and off, mainly in the areas of vandalism cleanup, and new page patrolling. I will also be participating in XfDs, and RfAs. Who knows, maybe I'll have time to write an article or two! Thank you again for adopting me, and thank you for all you do for Wikipedia. Cheers!  m J 94 01:29, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Very well, good luck at school :) It was fun while it lasted and I look forward to reviewing your later work. Again good luck :) —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  • 04:06, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Fridae'sDoom/
Just FYI, it was created by a banned user, CSD tagged by another user, and deleted by me. Cheers, Airplaneman   ✈  02:45, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Righto, cheers Airplaneman :) —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  • 07:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit Notices
Mlpearc  powwow  15:43, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Edit notices Template:Editnotices/Group/User:Fridae'sDoom ✅
 * Fixed :P Mlpearc   powwow  23:56, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Much appreciated Mlpearc! Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  • 23:48, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for the cookie and the barnstar!  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  08:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, thanks for the help :) and for being helpful. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  6:04pm  • 08:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)



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 * Oooh, yummy :) —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  6:26pm  • 08:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Help needed
Ok I have a question, how would I calculate my Swatch Internet Time using Wikimarkup? Like how X! does it: User:X!/sig. Also my timezone is GMT+10 and my region observes DST. —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  Cork?  •  Glass  •  4:16pm  • 06:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * If this is for your signature, then please consider not adding it. It doesn't help make Wikipedia better, and adding different time-zones can confuse other editors. Your signature, above, is already 476 characters; the limit is 255 (WP:SIG) so please consider shortening it.


 * I'll leave the helpme here though, in case others have comments.  Chzz  ► 06:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not for my signature, I use local time in my sig (for reference). Sorry about sig length I shortened it now, it should be fine. I'm fairly inexperienced when it comes to calculating time using Wikimarkup. —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  4:33pm  • 06:33, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, and thanks for shortening the sig.  Chzz  ► 06:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome thanks for reminding me of the guideline :) —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  4:50pm  • 06:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hope you don't mind that I've untranscluded the helpme; I believe X! has given you an answer of sorts as well. Of course, feel free to revert. Cheers. sonia ♫  07:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah but that's for his timezone, I'm in Australia ;) I should have made it clear, it was my fault. Sorry about that. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  5:41pm  • 07:41, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, I'm an idiot I did include that in the statement >.< but yeah the code he has is for his timezone and I don't know how to calculate mine. —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  5:45pm  • 07:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, at the part that says #time:G, that's for the hours. He's got +1 after it- I suppose you just switch that to +10. Is that what you wanted? sonia ♫  07:47, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've only taken a very brief glance at it, but if you look at X!'s sig, you'll find that he's just used some wikimagic to split the date into its various values for hours, minutes, etc., and arithmetically adjusted it to match his timezone. Since that means overflowing the hours into larger parameters where appropriate, it involves some rather complicated handling; you might want to ask X! for some tips as I haven't tried doing this in wiki markup, it's not really designed for such manipulation.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  07:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks both of you :) yes he is very good at programming, now I know why he subst's his signature. I was going to ask him but I thought I'd bothered him enough, time to ask him again. —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  5:51pm  • 07:51, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I just read up about Swatch Internet Time, and it explains that the time is fixed – not dependent on time zones or daylight saving time. So, the time in beats is exactly the same, all over the world. Therefore, X!'s code will work fine.

I just copied the actual 'beats' portion over to User:Chzz/swt, therefore if I write here, it will put the time in beats on this page, and the moment I click save—it is: @400  Chzz  ►  08:36, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ok thanks :) —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  6:40pm  • 08:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Uhh not to be a bother but you wouldn't know how to make a transcluded version would you? Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  6:55pm  • 08:55, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can just remove all the substitution, so User:chzz/swt2, however, the time that it shows will not update until the page is recreated by mediawiki; so, it will normally show the time when you visit the page that it is transcluded on, but you may see a cached copy of the page. For example, right here; if I put that shows the time (beats) when this page was last rendered:  — but even if you refresh the page, it may not change. If you purge the page, e.g. by going to [] then it should update.


 * It's not possible to show dynamic content on a Wikipedia page other than by using javascript, because of the order in which pages are rendered (see diagram).


 * In other words: transcluding the time, or other dynamic content, and having it update is not really possible. You can write the time at the point when you save a page, but you can't show 'The time is now...xxx' because it will only show the time when the page was drawn up, not the time you loaded it.


 * Same thing happens if you put e.g. : .  Chzz  ►  09:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh ok then, thanks Chzz! —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  7:44pm  • 09:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * You may want to replace the round functions in the Swatch Internet Time code with truncation functions. At the moment, X!'s code for Swatch Internet Time is 43.2 seconds or half a beat fast. Also, in between 22:59:17 and 22:59:59, the code gives the Swatch Internet Time as @1000, which is completely off the scale, since @1000 is not a valid value of Swatch Internet Time. Here is a corrected version of the code:




 * Hope this helps.  Set Sail For The Seven Seas   237° 29' 0" NET   15:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * You can also use this version, which is more similar to X!'s version.




 * Hope this helps.  Set Sail For The Seven Seas   250° 55' 59" NET   16:43, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I replaced Chzz/swt with this code. Thanks Thesevenseas! Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:10am  • 23:10, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

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Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage
Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:34, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Question if you dont mind
Hi FD, I've got a question, if you dont mind. My adoptee is working on an article and are trying to figure out how to cite this:


 * Shakira sung some parts of the song during a trivia interview in 2007 for Univisions, Otro Rollo.

We've found plenty of videos of it and such, but cannot find a show transcript, or official channel/website for the show. Is there some other way to cite it? Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 07:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The song being Amor Prohibido (song) by Selena. Sorry about that. Citing video stuff has never been my strong point when YouTube and such are the only sources I can find. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 07:15, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe that in such a case YouTube would be allowed as a source, see KevJumba for more info as the article is a WP:GA and uses YouTube as a source. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  5:20pm  • 07:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Having re-read the verifiability policy this would qualify as a rare circumstance in which YouTube would be considered reliable since from what I gather it is the only source you can find. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  5:25pm  • 07:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the answer and taking the time to look into it. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 07:33, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome :) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  5:37pm  • 07:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Just as an addendum, cited content doesn't have to be cited in online sources: there's nothing wrong with simply citing the TV programme on which it appeared (and possibly also including a link to youtube to provide a means of easy verification). You should be careful to ensure that the youtube video isn't a copyright violation though; if it's a TV recording used without permission against copyright law, we shouldn't link to it.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  08:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah yes forgot to mention that. Thanks Giftig :) Oh and good luck with your adoptee, you make a great mentor considering you've learnt a lot since your registration (much faster than me might I ad ;)) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  6:22pm  • 08:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I don't officially have an adoptee but it looks like I've been adopted as an adopter ;) I am indeed a pretty fast learner, I think, so hopefully I'll be able to give them some good advice, anyway.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  08:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Adopter, I need an eye-test :) Keep up the good work you two :) —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  6:31pm  • 08:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks to you both for the input! Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 08:33, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Kind regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  6:40pm  • 08:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

spaces in info boxes
I was wondering why you are removing the spaces from infoboxes that facilitate the readability of the infobox when editing?

I'll point out that many hundreds (thousands?) of editors have gone to the effort of putting the spaces into the infoboxes.

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I was using AutoEd, it's not the actual format for the Infoboxes, check the template. Sorry about that, it's still readble. —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  • 00:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I'm not sure that I understand your reply; it doesn't seem particularly relevant.
 * I'm not aware of there being any policy about the presence or absence of spaces in infoboxes.
 * I'll repeat myself: many hundreds (thousands?) of editors have gone to the effort of putting the spaces into the infoboxes.
 * Please do not remove them. Pdfpdf (talk) 03:32, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * And please restore the ones you have removed.
 * You have removed them from dozens of pages; it's a big job to restore them yet leave in place the useful changes that AutoEd has made. I'm loath to simply revert your dozens of changes, but I don't have the patience to manually restore them individually, page by page. Presumably you can modify AutoEd to restore them (semi-)automatically? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 03:32, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The infoboxes did not have the spaces before the horizontal pipe, so AutoEd was removing them. The pages themselves are fine, it's not like anyone can see the raw wikicode otherwise the watchers of said articles would be raising this concern with me. —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  • 03:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The infoboxes did not have the spaces before the horizontal pipe, – What is a horizontal pipe? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 04:24, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's this: "|" —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  • 04:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I have asked you, twice, not to remove spaces from infoboxes.

the watchers of said articles would be raising this concern with me. – I am, and I have. Pdfpdf (talk) 09:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Well no one else is raising this issue with me because they have no problem with it. Check the template page itself for the proper format. I'm not going to argue with you. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:06am  • 23:06, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to argue with you. – Good.
 * You may have noticed that I have asked you a number of questions. You have only answered one of them.
 * I have noticed that almost all of your responses are irrelevant, and ONLY reflect YOUR opinion. (Not fact. Opinion.)
 * Well no one else is raising this issue with me because they have no problem with it. – Irrelevant. I am not "anyone else". And neither are you.
 * Check the template page itself for the proper format. – That's a non-sequitur, and irrelevant.
 * I have asked:
 * "why you are removing the spaces from infoboxes" – not answered.
 * "I'm not aware of there being any policy about the presence or absence of spaces in infoboxes." – not answered.
 * Many hundreds (thousands?) of editors have gone to the effort of putting the spaces into the infoboxes.
 * Why do you think they may have done this ?
 * Have you considered that it may be inappropriate to undo their work without discusssing it with them first?
 * "Please do not remove them." – no response.
 * "Presumably you can modify AutoEd to restore them (semi-)automatically?" – not answered.
 * Pdfpdf (talk) 11:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * My response is simple, there is no policy against the removal or addition of spaces but AutoEd is programmed to edit articles and modify templates used in their original format, said format being with only 1 space. No I cannot modify AutoEd to do what you ask, also I have been doing this for months now on other articles and you are the only person to have raised this issue with me. Have you considered that? I don't mean to sound rude, but you're the only one to have an issue over such a minor aspect of article editing. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:34pm  • 11:34, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll be going to sleep now, I'll give you my response in the morning. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:36pm  • 11:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply.
 * No I cannot modify AutoEd to do what you ask – That's a shame. Thank you for the information.
 * I have been doing this for months now on other articles and you are the only person to have raised this issue with me. – That's interesting. I'm rather surprised. I'm forced to wonder why all those hundreds of people went to the effort of putting the spaces in there. Well, life's full of mysteries ...
 * Again, thanks for your reply. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, thanks for your understanding at least we got this cleared . —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:07am  • 23:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Smile!
 Hello Fridae&#39;sDoom, Thesevenseas has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.  Set Sail For The Seven Seas   316° 37' 30" NET   21:06, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Aw thanks :) —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:09am  • 23:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem! :) I actually noticed it quite a while back, but no one was really that interested in Swatch Internet Time back then. In fact my signature has a similar code, but for New Earth Time. I got the idea from X!'s signature.  Set Sail For The Seven Seas   352° 35' 30" NET   23:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, I like the idea of a timezone-less measure of time. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:33am  • 23:33, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Are You Lovin' Me Like I'm Lovin' You
I notice you added an expand tag to Are You Lovin' Me Like I'm Lovin' You. I would suggest finding some other way to call attention to the article's length; please read WP:EXPANDALTS. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 20:41, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Expand was the best tag I could find in the list. I added expand further above the reflist. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:16am  • 23:16, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user reminder
Hello, I have completed a general cleanup of the adopter information page for the adopt-a-user project, located here. During my cleanup, I have removed several inactive and retired users. In order to provide interested adoptees with an easy location to find adopters, it is essential that the page be up-to-date with the latest information possible. Thus:


 * If you are no longer interested in being an adopter, please remove yourself from the list.
 * If you are still interested, please check the list to see if any information needs to be updated or added – especially your availability. Thank you.


 * You are receiving this message because you are listed as an adopter here.

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Article assessment for Military History project
Hi Fridae'sDoom. Thanks for taking a shot at assessing 9th Parachute Assault Regiment and General (Canada). Not bad for a first attempt. I have tweaked your assessments so that they fall in to line with the general concensus within the Military History project. General (Canada) doesn't really have enough prose to be considered Start class for Milhist, while 9th Parachute Assault Regiment satisfies the B5 critierion because it has images and an infobox (the general rule in the Military History project is that for a B class rating, an article simply needs either one image or an infobox of some kind). It is good to see someone keen to do this sort of work and I would like to encourage you to continue to assess our articles. The main assessment page (WP:MHA) has some examples of articles at each class level. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 14:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, I'm welcome to criticism and help :) Thanks for the pointers, I'll take your suggestions on board :) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  12:35pm  • 02:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jet Propulsion Laboratory Science Division
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rlevse :) —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  10:08pm  • 12:08, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

UAA
Hey. If you want to make yourself genuinely useful at UAA and take on a bit of a challenge, the best thing you can do is keep an eye on it, comment on some of the reports that fall into the grey areas (I take those into account when deciding and I'm sure other admins do). Cleaning out CAT:UAA is also a helpful task that doesn't require a banhammer—it would be helpful to have someone report the blatant violations and remove non-vios from the cat and, of course, discussing usernames with users is helpful. If you want to save admins a few minutes (or just make my job a little easier) you could help at RfPP, where comments on borderline requests can make all the difference or WP:SCV, where you can do everything, except you have to db-copyvio the blatant vios rather than delete them altogether. Anyway, don't be discouraged by the non-clerk thing. It's not a big deal (I get worse stick at ANI every few days, but it's all part and parcel of taking on a role or working in an area that's potentially controversial). Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks HJ, I've been taking a break from UAA. I've got very few mainspace edits so I go around on articles and try to address issues I see. Such as in Benjamin Franklin or whatever takes my fancy. I'll take these suggestions on board :) I would like to one day be an administrator but I don't think I even come close to meeting my own criteria >.< Well thanks again :) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  11:13am  • 01:13, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Ping
Airplaneman  ✈  03:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

>.< Replied a few hours ago, sorry for not giving notice. Thanks for the heads up Airplaneman :) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  7:42pm  • 09:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Your valued picture nominations was promoted
Thanks Spongie :) Woot first VP :) —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  1:51pm  • 03:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well be happy again beacuse you have 2 now promoted Spongie555 (talk) 03:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * :D Wow thanks :) I didn't expect 2 in one day. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  2:01pm  • 04:01, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Im cutting down nominations and you had two that where ready to be promoted. Spongie555 (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, thanks again :) Keep up the good work, regards and happy editing, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  2:08pm  • 04:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

ding!
You have a reply at my page. Then check your mail. Cheers. sonia ♫ 04:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Right back at you, get well soon :) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  2:53pm  • 04:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Battle at The Lizard
Please do not restore previously removed vandalism, as you did [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_at_The_Lizard&diff=387215454&oldid=386793488 here]. Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 23:43, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the message, it looks like HJ Mitchell didn't bother to check the content. DuncanHill (talk) 23:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah sorry about that. I assumed that HJ would've known what he was doing. Guess I should have checked the content before jumping to conclusions. Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:48am  • 23:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

FAC withdrawn
Sandy Georgia (Talk) 11:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Righto then, the article didn't look as though it had major issues but I suppose you raise a fair point. Thanks :) regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:10pm  • 11:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Error with the welcome bot on ACC
Unfortunately the Welcome bot on ACC is using the wrong name when signing the welcome text. I don't know if it is an error with the bot or with the way you have configured it, but as it is, it not signing with your en-WP username. If you can sort out the parameters that would be good, otherwise could you disable welcoming until it can sign with this username. Thanks Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah yes I noticed that, I changed my signature to my user name, instead of three tildes, it should be fine now. —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:50am  • 23:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 September 2010
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I'm so sorry
That I had to decline your ACC account creator request :-(:-( Please do read my message on the relevant notice board; and do contact me on my talk page for any assistance Fridae. Sorry again :-(  Wifione    <sub style="font-size: 60%">....... <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> Leave a message  05:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Your sig
Hello, just a quick question, are you adding the time on your signature manually or is it a template in your signature. Thanks, -  Dwayne   was here! ♫ 00:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I substitute my signature, go to this page to see how I do it, you need to substitute templates, for example, gives you the Swatch Internet Time and  gives you the Unix time. See User:Mentifisto/Top for more time templates. Remember to subst them in your signature otherwise the time will keep reloading someone purges their cache. —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  •  4:41pm  • 06:41, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your substituted signature is violating the length-limit by about 41 characters, please trim it. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 12:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, I'll fix that. —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  10:36am  • 00:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

 * Awww thanks :), you're welcome. Keep up the good work, if you ever feel like an RfA I'll gladly nominate you :). Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  10:11pm  • 12:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably won't run again for a while, but thanks. And in case you're not watching my talk page:

-- The Utahraptor Talk to me/Contributions 12:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

RFA closure
You can't both opine in and close an RFA. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 12:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah thanks for telling me that, I was slightly new to the procedure. Thanks Xeno :) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  10:34am  • 00:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Motto Request
I have finally finished your requested motto here. Please take a look and let me know if it is acceptable. PrincessofLlyr royal court 13:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks PrincessofLlyr, it's fantastic :) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne? •  9:38am  • 23:38, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 September newsletter
We are half-way through our final round, entering the home straight. leads at the time of writing with 1180 points, immediately followed by with 1175 points. closely follows in third place with 1100 points. For those who are interested, data about the finalists has been compiled at WikiCup/History/2010/finalists, while a list of content submitted by all WikiCup contestants prior to this round has been compiled at WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions. As ever, anything contestants worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Despite controversy, the WikiCup remains open. Signups for next year's competition are more than welcome, and suggestions for how next year's competition will work are appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring. More general comments and discussions should be directed at the WikiCup talk page. One month remains in the 2010 WikiCup, after which we will know our champion. Good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 23:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)