User talk:M4V3R1CK32/Archive 2

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Vikramadity Prakash
I see that you - if I get the links right - rejected the entry for Vikramaditya Prakash. (architectural historian teaching at Washington Univ. in Seattle). I have reworked his page to conform to the other similar scholars. It was rejected because of not being notable enough. This is wrong, if I may say so. He coauthored a textbook that is used throughout the US. has had projects featured at the recent Venice Biennale, is the host of an important podcast 'architecturetalk' that features important intellectuals in the community etc. Was named Distinguished Professor for his lifetime career achievements by the Association of Collegiate Schools of Architecture (ACSCA) in their 2020 Architectural Education Awards. There are many other architectural historians in the wiki page that have done little by comparison. So I would like to get a revisit on this, Many thanks for your time. Brosi (talk) 15:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Brosi,
 * I am the one who rejected your draft. I can understand feeling passionate about a topic and wanting to see it discussed in an article on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, that isn't always possible for a variety of reasons. Those reasons have to do with what the Wikipedia has deemed "notability" (a word with a different standard applied to it on this platform than the world at large) and are laid out in WP:GNG, WP:NACADEMIC, and WP:NBIO. I would highly suugest that you read these closely.
 * Sourcing dictates if a topic is notable, and specifically third-party, independent sourcing. Wikipedia is a collection of what others write about a subject, not what the subject writes about themselves. There is one independent source in your draft (The American Scholar) and Prakash is not the subject of that story, the podcast is. Sources published by the subject of the article, the institution they work for, or any side research groups they are a part are considered primary sources. Primary sources are by their nature not third-party, nor are they independent, and as such they do not contribute to notability. In each draft you've submitted, Prakash's own writings have been the supermajority of sources used. This does not satisfy this requirement.
 * In looking at notability guidleines for academics, it's not clear that Prakash clears any of those specific guidelines. The demonstration of significance of Prakash's contributions to architecture needed to pass Criterion 1 (the criterion Prakash is most likely to pass) is not present in the draft or sources, because, again, demonstrating significance requires third-party (secondary) sourcing.
 * Regarding the changes you've made to the draft since the rejection, I think you've done a good job cleaning up the tone of it and making it read more like an encyclopedia article than a CV. But the sourcing remains a significant problem, and because of that my stance on rejecting the draft has not changed.
 * I also want to address some comments you made on Netherzone's Talk page. You mentioned articles about other academics in this field that already existed, and that Prakash is more notable than they are. The discussion of Prakash clearing the notability bar has nothing to do with other articles. If you feel so strongly that articles about other architecture historians do not meet the guidelines I've mentioned here, I'd encourage you to go to WP:AFD and learn more about how to get them deleted.
 * I'd also encourage you to re-read the conflict of interest guidelines. The conversation on Netherzone's page leads me to believe you are closer to Prakash than you've tried to make it appear. A conflict of interest can be personal as well financial, but the rules for editing about topics with which you have a conflict of interest remain the same.
 * I've said all I intend to say about this draft. If you wish to revisit it in the future, I would suggest going to the Teahouse for help. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 16:54, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time top respond and clarify. I am certainly not going to recommend deletion. Being someone who circulates in the field it seems is a negative instead of a positive. I have made several entries - many years ago - when Wikipedia just started and certainly know what objectivity means, and now want to return to those efforts since I have more time. I know of several scholars who are deserving of wiki sites, but now feel like the hill is just too steep to climb. Brosi (talk) 17:12, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * so for example Mary McLeod (academic) has written about 2 articles and has wiki site - no major grants, no awards and the like apart from a hand full of small interview. B ut the review board was convinced. I could not find out who did her entry or when though.... at any rate. So if she passes, there is hope for Prakash. Brosi (talk) 20:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Let me state again: neither the existence of other articles nor their perceived quality has any bearing on if your draft should be accepted. Each draft must be able to stand on its own merits.
 * I am not interested in further debate about this, but you piqued my curiosity. Here's why Mary McLeod qualifies: she is a a fellow in the Society of Architectural Historians. The deletion discussion for her article goes over that.
 * During the discussion, the community determined that being a fellow in that society meets Criterion #3 of the notability guidelines for academics.
 * I have no more to say about this. Good day. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 01:50, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * You did the hard part! I just got to wordsmith things a bit. A great example of teamwork! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 16:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Promotion of Ed Bradley

 * Excellent job I was happy to be the source reviewer and provide input! 750h+ 09:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for reviewing! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 19:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the club

 * This is awesome! Thanks so much! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 18:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Congratulations!!! Princessa Unicorn (talk) 21:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 01:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)