User talk:M4 work

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April 2010
Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did to Yamaha YZF-R1. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ''The site you are repeatedly adding is in no way a reliable source. It is a manufacturer pushing its own equipment. Please stop adding this source. '' Biker Biker (talk) 14:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Factory Pro is NOT an unreliable source. Numerous factory teams choose to use their $60,000 dyno.


 * Do you even OWN an R1? M4 work (talk) 15:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * M4, have you read No original research? It explains why it doesn't matter if someone owns a YZF-R1 or a Hayabusa or a Bajaj. Secondly, WP:PSTS will explain why we inherently trust secondary sources more than primary sources such as a dyno company. tedder (talk) 17:01, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I just read it, and I think I understand it. Thanks.

Aren't the manufacturer's claimed horsepower numbers from their advertising materials a "primary source"?

And aren't the actual, measured, true horsepower numbers from the dyno company "secondary" numbers? They're measuring and reporting on another manufacturer's product (motorcycles). — Preceding unsigned comment added by M4 work (talk • contribs) 12:07, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Manufacturer's claims would be primary sources. Secondary sources are things built on by others- for instance, a magazine would be a secondary source. tedder (talk) 16:05, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Factory Pro
--Dbratland (talk) 23:55, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Supersports everywhere
--Dbratland (talk) 06:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

talk page tips
M4, to understand how to reply to conversations, take a look at Talk page guidelines. Basically, put colons at the beginning of each paragraph, not just your first one. That will indent the reply so it's easy to see (a) what you are replying to, and (b) to keep your reply distinct from the above comment. Here's an example:


 * reply to my above comment


 * second paragraph in my reply


 * reply to my reply


 * second paragraph in my reply to my reply

Also, sign your post on the same line as your last paragraph. That'll keep your signature indented.

Unrelated- thanks for fixing the wet weight/claimed dry weight on bikes and giving citations for it. tedder (talk) 17:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, buddy.


 * I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'll catch on.

M4 work (talk) 21:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)