User talk:MB/Archive 4

Thomas Bond House
The article was quite obviously created to spam for the B&B - there's no question about that - hence the blocking of the author. The sources are however dubious, some are dead or don't exist at all. The sources listed on the talk page may be in respectable newspapers, but the mentions of the building are exceptionally fleeting or not in the body of the newspaper article at all. One article is a pure opinion piece. The result of the AfD was the best any closer could do under the circumstances. This article is on a very fine  line between spam and an historical place. In the UK, Grade I and Grade II buildings are required to be what they  are: 'listed', which the Bond house is not. That said, I would not personally be in a panic to see this article deleted but if it were to go to DELREV, I wouldn't comment there myself and it could possibly go either way. The normal procedure would be to first discuss with the closer,, anyway. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:11, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * , I just wanted to say thank you for reply. I have done nothing more with this based on your response of "either way" at DELREV. I firmly believe this subject is not notable. No one at the AFD provided any sources of coverage - this one just survived because several editors "like it" only because it is an old building in a historic district. I did try to discuss with the closer - I asked for a explanation of how they arrived at Keep when the article has no sources of in-depth coverage and none were supplied in the AFD discussion either. I was rebuffed with the terse response "per clear consensus in the AfD" (User_talk:Michig). This seems to me like a consensus to ignore policy, but certainly not the only instance I've seen. That's probably why I am much less active at AFD than I used to be and am doing more content work. Thanks again.MB 21:04, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Admins are very reluctant  to  close AfDs again  numerical  consensus, even if the consensus is quite wrong. Now that  the spamlinks have been removed, whether or not  it  drives traffic into  the hands of those who  exploit  it as a hotel, I think  we're going to have to live with it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:40, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

New user
,, I noticed both of you have had some interaction with. I noticed this account today because they non-admin closed their own AFD as a withdraw after I found sources. That seems a bit unusual for someone with a 2 1/2 week old account. Their entire editing history does not look to me like that expected for a newbie. But I have no evidence of anything more. Just an FYI. But let me know if I should do anything more official. MB 02:32, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

architect vs. builder
In this edit you got it right, that Drake was a builder not an architect, but in this edit you got it wrong about two persons being architects rather than builders. NRHP nomination documents were not referenced in either article; I'm adding them now, and then the information is adequately sourced.

Perhaps you aren't aware of past conflict about less-than-perfectly-informed usage of the NRIS database, which does not distinguish between architects vs. builders vs. engineers or others associated with a building. A partial solution was for the NRHP infobox generator to be modified so that "architect or builder=" was the temporary field name, to be changed if/when one actually knows whether "architect=" or "builder=" or "engineer=" would be relevant.

Please don't guess! :) Thanks for your contributions otherwise, of course, it is great to have you contributing on NRHP articles. --Doncram (talk) 22:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I see you made a whole lot of edits back in December with "fix infobox" in your edit summary, including this one, which put Coombs as architect, without noting that Coombs was merely architect of the stable. Would it be possible for you to return to all of those edits and reverse them, or fix them using sources? --Doncram (talk) 22:30, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * During 3 January 2018 back to 2 January 2018, these included a bunch being done in something like alphabetical order, with "Fix infobox" in edit summary:
 * Parvin Bridge ‎ (Fix infobox) (current) --checked, done
 * Perris Depot ‎ (Fix infobox, Adding/removing wikilink(s)) --checked, done
 * Phoenix Towers ‎ (Fix infobox) (current)--checked, done
 * Petit Jean River Bridge ‎ (Fix infobox)--checked, done
 * Perkins Addition ‎ (Fix infobox) (current)--checked, done
 * Rector Log Barn ‎ (Fix infobox, Adding/removing wikilink(s)) (current)--checked, done
 * Rector Road Bridge ‎ (Fix infobox) NRIS-only. Not confirmed, Texas docs are hard to get. --got the National Archives doc, done. --Doncram (talk) 15:17, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Reading-Halls Station Bridge revised: likely was designer and builder, removed from infobox
 * Russell House (Bedford, Pennsylvania) revised, corrected spelling, was both architect and builder
 * Russellville Downtown Historic District checked, done--12:56, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Roth-Rosenzweig House, changed from architect to builder, other done --12:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Rolling Mill Historic District checked, done--12:56, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Rocky Island Historic District checked, NRHP doc added, done--12:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Rockwell Park checked, done--12:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Grant County Courthouse District checked, done--12:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Rockland Community Church and Cemetery checked, done--12:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * There would be more here but I could tell in advance for some, from rolling a cursor over the diffs, that they were correct revisions, informed by content about architects or builders in the rest of the article. Some of these will have been correct, some not.  I am surmising you went through the entire alphabet.  It is sort of a disaster, IMHO, in that incorrect info was introduced all at once, all over, in edits marked "minor".  But revisiting them would be otherwise productive, e.g. for adding NRHP nomination document references which are needed anyhow, and available for many.
 * Is there some way efficient to make a list of all of these, to make a worklist for them all to be revisited? Do you know if AutoWikiBrowser can search on edit summaries?   --Doncram (talk) 12:11, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Kentucky prow house example
Thank you for creating Prow house article. It happens I just came across, while creating NRHP articles in Kentucky, what I think is my first example: Barlow Baxter House. It is very efficient to link to the nice article. cheer, --Doncram (talk) 04:26, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Newspapers.com
Your access has been approved. Your e-mail keeps bouncing back to me so I'm notifying you here instead.

--Cameron11598 (Talk) 20:05, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * , OK just verified I have access again, for another year. Thanks! MB 21:51, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for CISBOT
Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  00:02, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Gothic-arch barn
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Pair-house
Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for East German balloon escape
Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Another RfC on Net Neutrality
A month ago you participated in an RfC at Village pump (proposals)/Archive 147. The same proposal has been posted again at Village pump (proposals). (This notice has been sent to all who participated in the prior RfC, regardless of which side they supported). --Guy Macon (talk) 20:50, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Your CSD nominations
Hi there, db-blankdraft has very specific criteria which involve both the page not having any actual content and the user not having any edits for a full year. There are other criteria that may apply to these drafts, including G11 and U5, and WP:MfD may also be applicable, but G6 is definitely not. Also pinging and, who deleted a few of these. Please check that the criteria apply next time. Thanks, ansh 666 04:14, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, you tagged User:NotoriousHackers/sandbox for db-nouser, but the user definitely exists - all the edits on the sandbox page were by them. Please be more careful in the future. ansh 666 04:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for List of Masonic buildings in the United States
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;List of Masonic buildings in the United States &mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Doncram (talk) 16:13, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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Please check the message I left you here. Regards. EELagoon (talk) 06:08, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

A beer for you!
Hi, I got your deletion message for the page i contributed, i.e., Vinayak Burman. Can you please explain me the reason for the same. Abhishek Arora - Abby (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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 * at the top of the article there is a link in blue to the discussion page for the deletion proposal. MB 20:40, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

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I see you recently accepted a pending change to June 29. I looked for a source for this date of birth in the John Fujioka and it was unsupported by any source there either.

You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide. I've gone ahead and backed out this edit.

Please do not accept additions to day of year pages where no direct source has been provided on that day of year page. The burden to provide sources for additions to these pages is on the editor who adds or restores material to these pages. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 23:35, 15 June 2018 (UTC)


 * , perhaps you are not aware of what is expected of reviewing pending changes. From WP:RPC, "The process of reviewing is intended as a quick check to ensure edits don't contain vandalism, violations of the policy on living people, copyright violations, or other obviously inappropriate content." Complete verification of all aspects of changes is not within the scope of reviewing pending changes. When reviewing pending changes to DOY articles, I check that the for redlinks and other obvious problems. If the entry has a bluelink, I am satisified and accept the change leaving it for others to do further checking if desired. MB 00:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You said violations of the policy on living people.  WP:DOB is personal info about living people that can be used in identity theft and explicitly subject to WP:BLP.
 * Beyond that, as I explained, the new rule on DOY articles, "No direct source? No edit."  Toddst1 (talk) 18:34, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:Saudahmed66/Karachi Cambridge School
Hello MB. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Saudahmed66/Karachi Cambridge School, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not a blatant misuse of Wikipedia as a webhost. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 01:28, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * , This is a user-space draft that has not been edited by the now-blocked user in ten years. More recent edit have been ongoing maintenance type cleanup. It should be deleted to minimize such wasted effort. I have successfully used U5 on many similar pages before. If you don't think this qualifies as U5, then how should make it disappear? MB 17:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:MFD. I would also argue it doesn't qualify for U5 because is still active, even if they haven't touched the page themselves in quite a while. Not sure why it was created where it's sitting. Primefac (talk) 23:38, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Newspaper buildings
Would you possibly like to do another article about architecture/buildings, akin to Prow house? Newspaper building is a redlink. Cheers, --Doncram (talk) 00:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This New Republic article about newspaper buildings, old and new. Big buildings downtown with printing operations there, then printing sent out to suburbs later.
 * Category:Newspaper buildings plus more to be added to it, and more NRHP-listed places with "Courier" or "Times" or the like in their names, some needing articles. To become a List of newspaper buildings, which can be included into, or split out from main article "Newspaper building" or "Newspaper building architecture".
 * , Sure, but not for a couple of months. I'm away for the summer and using a tablet and slow connection, so just doing small edits now. I read the article you linked and it doesn't seem like there would be much on a newspaper building from an architectural perspective, but maybe just covering the history/function/cultural aspects. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 16:15, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Glider trucks
This edit and and any similar future edits removing well-sourced information from Wikipedia are unacceptable. Please respond on the talk page. I will be adding significantly more information with respect to this topic. Sorry, if an apology is necessary, for not using more sources initially. User:Fred Bauder Talk 21:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

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Hi. Review the Sheena Allen page. Cheers

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DYK nomination of Granby, South Carolina
Hello! Your submission of Granby, South Carolina at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  Right Cow Left Coast  (Moo) 02:59, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Ronald J. Shurer
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Granby, South Carolina
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DYK for William G. Blakely
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photo syntax
MB, is this how you get the photo to center in the infobox? Don't use the link provided, just the actual filename? valereee (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


 * , yes - infoboxes do all the necessary formatting. If you want to place a photo in the text of an article, you need to use something like filename . <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 16:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Ah! You know, I've been editing for over a decade and still learn something new (or perhaps simply relearn it) with the majority of my edits. Thanks! valereee (talk) 16:16, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

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Sulawesi root rat
Why did you unreview Sulawesi root rat? SL93 (talk) 03:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , not sure what happened there. I was working from the page feed of new UNREVIEWED redirects. The log shows I UNREVIEWED it at 20:20, then REVIEWED it at 20:23. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 04:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Same with poor Gaoligong forest hedgehog, I presume (although that had been reviewed for quite some time). Eh, interface can be a bit screwy at times... -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:50, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , it this case it looks like I was trying to REVIEW Wang's forest hedgehog, a unreviewed redirect to Gaoligong forest hedgehog, but UNREVIEWED the target by mistake. Probably didn't notice which window was active when I clicked. Definitely not intentional. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 14:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

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Unreviewed a redirect
Hi MB I was just curious about why the redirect for LNFL was unreviewed?   Alucard 16  ❯❯❯ chat?    23:33, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , Unintentional. It is back to reviewed now. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 23:37, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah okay thanks    Alucard 16  ❯❯❯ chat?    23:39, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

"No longer supported. Please move cited/citable instances into prose."
You removed information from the infobox for M.A. Griffiths. I will complete the task for you by putting the information in the text. You're welcome. --MopTop (talk) 15:15, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , The influences/influenced shouldn't go into the text without a citation. If you can find one, then thanks for improving the article. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 15:19, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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MB - My brother and I met and spent Christmas Eve and Day with Hugh Thornton, a 90 year old bricklayer from New York. He told us the story of his father and four uncles in the photo. I put in the edits because they are true, and add to the article. (He did also mention that the four uncles died from cirrhosis, they are drinking in the photo, the Indian he identified ‘was a good climber’, but I did not think those were appropriate.) I am a first time contributor here, and need to know what it will take for you to verify and publish his story. He was very proud we took an interest and tried to make this attribution. Please let me know. Mpeterson1806@gmail.com Tahitinui2 (talk) 02:48, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , Wikipedia requires all information to be backed up by published sources. We do not verify and publish new information, we only summarize information already published elsewhere in reliable sources. See WP:VER for more information. The information you added is not acceptable. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 09:25, 27 December 2018 (UTC)