User talk:MB/Archive 8

Thanks for your help on Inger Mewburn
Hi MB. Thanks for looking over Inger Mewburn. I learnt a lot from comparing your changes to what I had done. Really helpful. Ta. --128.250.28.203 (talk) 06:49, 29 June 2020 (UTC). Oops - that was me, not logged in. --Jonathan O&#39;Donnell (talk) 06:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Pithapuram Estate
Hi MB, i understand you are trying to make my article better. I made few changes already. Help me if i am supposed to make any.Rushi1122334455 (talk) 17:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Jack Kendall
If AWB is wrong then please raise with those in charge of the script to get it fixed. GiantSnowman 19:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)


 * , This is well known, it's just that new versions of AWB are not released frequently. I've read that the fix will be in the next release. If you are using AWB, i'd recommend you watch the talk page to be aware of issues. MB 21:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Stocklin and Pansino
Hi. I see that you made edits today to Erik Stocklin and Rosanna Pansino such as this one, but the images added to these articles are improperly licensed -- simply copied from Google and uploaded by new user "That Witty Person". I'll leave it to you as to whether you want to do anything about this, or just wait for someone to delete the images from Commons. I haven't got the energy to try to explain it to the uploader. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:44, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't like to do much on commons. But I just nominated for deletion there with a few clicks and giving a reason of "copied from internet, no valid license". They should get deleted, and then a bot will remove them from here if no one does it first. I don't know if these articles (there were three) had a prior image that should be restored - you can check if you want. MB 23:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Yes, I checked.  Stocklin and Pansino had no image in the infobox previously, and Ballinger has other images (the new user's image was never used in the article). Do I need to comment here?  All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:11, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * , you certainly can if you want but it's probably not necessary. These look like cut-and-dry violations and should be deleted without question - since the source is just "google" and the license is obviously just made-up. MB 00:19, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Happy editing!  -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:17, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the review
Thank you for reviewing Katherine Anne Porter School. I'm busy tomorrow but if I have time I will fix the bare URLs. If not tomorrow then Monday. --Blellington (talk) 06:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Mariam Tillyaeva
Hello, I saw you nominated the page for deletion. Could you possibly suggest more information on the reasoning
 * Comment to allow archiving. MB 16:13, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

File
You might want to check out File:Southern Pacific MT-5 4376.jpg, it's an upload by the same user who uploaded the likely copyright violation file you recently listed at FFD. Hog Farm Bacon 21:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Josef Schneider (footballer)
Hi. A sentence in the "citation needed" tag now seems to be incomplete after your change: "FC Ostmark later merged to "? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 07:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fix. Robby.is.on (talk) 23:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Dan Einbinder
Hi. Could you explain why you think "(born 1989)" needs to be part of Dan Einbinder's short description? I haven't seen the year of birth added to the short description of other BLP articles and there is also only person of that name with an article so there's no need for disambiguation. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * , Well, I have seen the dates on hundreds or thousands of biographies. The purpose of the SD is not disambiguation, but a very short summary of the subject of the article. The birth/death dates are key summary info about a person (it's normally in the first sentence of every biography article). The SD is recommended to be around 40 characters, so I almost always add it if it keeps the SD within 40 characters and there is nothing more significant to say in that space. It's further confirmation that the reader has found the right article. MB 23:40, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for the explanation. :-) I've been searching for recommendations but didn't find anything more specific; I'd have thought there'd be a rule of thumb somewhere. And I came across this post of yours on the matter. ;-) Robby.is.on (talk) 07:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Italian Museum
Hi, I noticed that the map in Museum of Textiles and Industry of Busto Arsizio is completely wrong. --Moxmarco (talk) 12:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Sandwiching
Hi - I can tell you're a fan of getting rid of sandwiching. Okay but can you please understand that this is highly controversial? There have been many discussions about it, and it's a guideline I don't support, nor want to hash out yet again. Luckily, guidelines aren't policies. If you'd like to utilize that guideline in articles you primarily edit or write, or topics you're passionate about, go ahead. But don't force a guideline upon every article you drive by, especially where the main editor(s) prefer another perfectly acceptable style. ɱ (talk) 16:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Also you need to be more careful. User:Frietjes just yesterday changed "mapframe-width" to "mapframe-frame-width". Just because "mapframe-width" reads as an error now to you doesn't mean it just automatically warrants removal. Please revert/edit these articles back to the now-working "mapframe-frame-width". ɱ (talk) 17:04, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I just imported the syntax from Template:Infobox museum. we could probably make mapframe-width work as an alias for mapframe-frame-width if that's needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox school athletics
Hi MB. "Sailingvenue" parameter is working fine, as far as I know, but thanks for checking !.--Banderas (talk) 17:59, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't think it is. Yale Bulldogs is still in Category:Pages using infobox school athletics with unknown parameters, and I still see the error message if I edit the article and preview. MB 18:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you reviewed
Hello, MB

Thank you for creating Nuno Jardim Nunes.

User:Robert McClenon, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

To reply, leave a comment here and prepend it with. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~.

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Robert McClenon (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Robert McClenon. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Nuno Jardim Nunes, and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

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Robert McClenon (talk) 14:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Orient Bank
Hello User:MB, I am in the process of overhauling Orient Bank. I request that you allow me to finish what I am doing instead of edit-bombing me, while I have the inuse template clearly displayed. Thank you very kindly. Fsmatovu (talk) 17:56, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Robert McClenon. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Matthew J. DeGennaro, and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

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Robert McClenon (talk) 13:45, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your work in Pleasant DeSpain‎
It had come as far as it could with the creating editor, so I trusted it at AFC to the community. Fiddle  Faddle  15:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

"Gramsh, Albania" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Gramsh, Albania. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 6 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:19, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Old obscure edits/self-revert |abbreviation infobox param
Hi. I've been looking at infobox formatting issues recently and came across a few pages that used the Template:Infobox government agency that were reporting an invalid parameter: specifically "|abbreviation =". The first one I saw was Animal Quarantine Department where I noticed you had cleared the same parameter in May of 2018 (yeah, so 2 years ago...I know), but then you self-reverted the edit. I then saw the same thing on Aqaba Special Economic Zone Authority with the same edit pattern from you. So, since I'm sure you remember these obscure/random edits from two years ago with perfect clarity, do you recall anything about this? Am I missing some parameter buried in the docs or maybe a different language/project wiki? Any information you might recall would be welcome - I'm going to hold off "fixing" these for now. Sorry for the very random question. Lawaspirant5580 (talk) 20:01, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * , I don't remember anything about this. My edit history that day shows I did this six times. Perhaps I saw this and decided to leave it alone in case it was added per that request. MB 20:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Help Page Creation Draft:Ayaz Ismail
Hi, I need your help to make the page better, please advise Draft:Ayaz Ismail — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hscmumbai123 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/2020 Infobox television channel redesign proposal
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/2020 Infobox television channel redesign proposal. Raymie (t • c) 07:14, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Road disambiguation pages
Hi MB,

Thank you for the Hyde Park Gate disambiguation page to be merged into the Hyde Park Gate page. In addition, I had selected only the pages with blue links that match the disambiguation pages on Essex Road, Chancery Lane and Brompton Road.

Thank you, Aravindhan Ravikumar (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Changes to the SuperSport page
Hi MB,

I'm a blocked/banned user who recently got news about SuperSport getting a makeover from September 1. What this means is there will be no SuperSport 1-12 but something like SuperSport Premier League or SuperSport F1. I'm notifying you so you won't revert any edits in the name of vandalism. I'm a customer of DStv, mind (and don't know about you), and some SuperSport channels also broadcasts on GOtv in certain African countries. Lastly, getting sources for whatever I type in/on this is just not online unless maybe you help me. Thanks for understanding and can't wait for your reply! Adios! 41.210.9.9 (talk) 15:38, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 30
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Shabqadar MC-3, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Gonda.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:20, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Red Caboose Motel
Hello! Your submission of The Red Caboose Motel at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Hawkeye7  (discuss)  22:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

AFD request
Since I've seen you around in other mall AFDs, would you mind looking at Articles for deletion/Methuen Mall too? I expanded this one significantly (and merged it with another article) after the AFD was initiated and would like to form a greater consensus on the quality of my improvements. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I already said keep at that AFD - the only other one so far. MB 02:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * My bad, I didn't see. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the infobox edit on Oasia Hotel Downtown
Hi MB, for my own understanding there is no need to insert a "frameless" or "center" command? When inserting logo images in inbox? Edvarcl (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:43, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * , yes, images are formatted by the infobox itself in almost all cases. Just include the filename. And don't forget to sign messages on talk pages with "~" . Thanks. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 14:47, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

thanks! Edvarcl (talk) 17:31, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate all your Edits
I want to sincerely thank you for your very helpful, and unobtrusive edits MB, I have actually been learning a lot from your subtleties, and I really appreciate it. Thank you! I will keep on learning and improving. — Preceding unsigned comment added by B Enkay 45 (talk • contribs) 04:15, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , glad you have been learning. Here are some more tips: on talk pages, new conversations go at the bottom (I moved this one). And always sign talk page messages with ~ . <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 17:19, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Malcolm Cameron infobox
Thanks for tidying the infobox, and the newer way to do birth and death dates; more intuitive for me to understand than the older code I've been using. --Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:48, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , You're welcome. Also please note that per WP:INFOBOXNTLY, we don't include nationality or citizenship unless it differs from what you would expect for the place of birth. If it is the same, it is redundant. Infoboxes are for "key" info and should be kept concise. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 17:19, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm familiar with the nationality guideline for infoboxes: "Generally, use of either should be avoided when the country to which the subject belongs can be inferred from the country of birth".  However, my concern here is that I don't think that the average reader will infer that someone born in Lower Canada is a British subject. Some familiarity with Canadian colonial history is necessary for that inference to be drawn.  The fact of "British subject" status is relevant to the article about a Canadian politician, because it highlights that the constitutional position of Canadians at that time was different than it is today.  Including "British subject" status helps to place the article in the particular 19th century constitutional context. --Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 18:49, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , Well, that goes against MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE that says "keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored)." It is not to add context. This info does not appear in the article but if you think it is really helpful I would suggest you add it to the article prose. Thanks for discussing. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 21:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Reynolds Brothers
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for The Red Caboose Motel
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Elijah Thomas Webb Residence
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up question on infobox school
Hi MB, I saw your message the other day in reply to my question about external links for websites displaying as plain links in Template talk:Infobox school. However, after following your suggestion, I was still unable to get a website in the school infobox to display as an external link. (As an example, please refer to the infobox for Concord High School (Delaware). I was not able to make the website in the infobox display as an external link - let me know if I'm doing something wrong for that one.)

I think the issue is the setting of  in the infobox template. If this parameter is removed, then websites in the infobox should correctly display as external links; if the parameter is not removed, then the external links to websites will continue to display as plain links.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if you'd like any additional information. Thanks! <b style="color:#800000">palindrome</b>§<b style="color:#017745">ǝɯoɹpuᴉןɐd</b> 22:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * , I think you are correct. I didn't read your question close enough and never realized this infobox is missing the EL symbol even when correctly formatted. The symbol does appear in most other infoboxes. This will need to be addressed by a Template Editor, I can't make that kind of change. You can make an . <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 22:25, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * , thanks for pointing me in the right direction - I didn't know the process for changing a template! I'll make an edit request. <b style="color:#800000">palindrome</b>§<b style="color:#017745">ǝɯoɹpuᴉןɐd</b> 23:53, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , please post about this on the template's talk page. WP:WPSCH has a couple editors that pay pretty close attention to that page. It's all Greek to me! John from Idegon (talk) 23:58, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Why deletion notes?
Krodh (2019) dont delete Sir is Indian short film Web series not delete please improve this article Techiwizz (talk) 16:30, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The article has already been deleted and can not be recreated unless there is coverage of the subject in independent reliable sources. Note that IMDB is not an independent reliable source. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 16:36, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Blogspot
Why did you revert my removal of http://pleasantfamilyshopping.blogspot.com/2009/06/woolworths-largest-variety-store.html (used as a reference) as "non-constructive"? If you feel there's something of value in there it should have been added as an external link, but most non-notable blogs are removed. This link also contains some images that are probably copyrighted without any details on their copyright status. I suggest a self-revert. Spudlace (talk) 18:45, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * You did not provide a link to the article so I don't know what this is about. Blogs are indeed usually removed from the External Links section for the same reason they are not usually removed as references. Are you familiar with WP:RS? <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 22:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Request to undo revert
Hello MB, my name is Mervat, admin/editor in Arabic Wikipedia; I have noticed that you reverted the changes made to Roya TV. I reviewed the changes this morning and thought it was accepted, maybe with a few enhancements; is it possible that we get the changes back, I am willing to discuss anything related. Best. --Mervat (talk) 18:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * , I reverted the changes for several reasons. They were made by and editor who appears to have a WP:COI and has not responded to the messages left on their talk page. They must disclose any relationship they have with the subject of the article and are strongly discouraged from editing the article. They should request edits be made by a uninvolved third party. In addition, the formatting was incorrect - references cannot be placed in section headings - they should follow the information they support. Most importantly, the changes are overly promotional and do not appear to be cited to independent sources. For example, "Roya Talents is home to Jordan’s most famous and upcoming talents in media and entertainment, with more than 60 influencers, comedians, TV presenters, singers and public figures" is cited to Roya's own website. Any such information needs come from independent reliable sources. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 20:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your clarification, I will try do the updates appropriately. --Mervat (talk) 11:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for your note to EEng this evening in regard to our edits of Jean Berko Gleason. Well said. User:Dhpage 03:26, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

BHN
Thanks for fixing that—momentary brain lapse on my part. :) Trivialist (talk) 17:31, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Amelie Fried edit
Hi, you recently made some minor edits on the Amelie Fried page, including removing several parameters from the infobox. You mentioned that these were deprecated parameters in your edit synopsis, but when I look at the infobox template page, I don't see this stated anywhere. How did you establish that the parameters you removed were deprecated? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 16:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * residence and hometown have been removed by consensus from all biography infoboxes. I just reflected this in the documentation for . nationality is not deprecated but should only be used if different from country of birth to be concise. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 16:28, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks for updating it. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 20:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Small text
, I'm sure you know that there should be no MOS:SMALL in infoboxes. I remove it manually when I find it. What about adding this as something for INDENT? It would sure speed things up at times. I assume it could be on only with a parameter set so it wouldn't affect any other users that didn't want this function. I think all the variations are the templates small, smaller, midsize, resize as well as the html. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 03:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I could add this as part of indent, or I could create a second script. I can also make the removal interactive (where it asks you for each one).  if you provide some examples where you removed small tags, resizing, etc., I can implement something. Frietjes (talk) 13:43, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , If it were part of indent it would save a step. I don't see a reason for it to be interactive - unless you are aware of some cases where small is valid inside an infobox. Examples: ,,, . As always, thanks for all your help. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 14:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * okay, I probably won't get to this until tomorrow, but it shouldn't be that hard to implement. by the way, looks like you left an extra * in the subscribers in the Phil Lester article. Frietjes (talk) 14:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * it was easier than I expected. to activate this feature just do [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Frietjes/common.js&diff=prev&oldid=975982733 this] and make sure it is _above_ the loading of the script. Frietjes (talk) 14:50, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I have been using this for a few days now and haven't noticed anything unusual. I notice that it now leaves an edit summary when before it didn't. Frequently, I will use Thumbfix and after that, the caption is the only para not indented as the rest of the infobox - so I will use Indent next just to fix the caption para. In these cases, the edit summary seems unnecessary for such a small change. Would you consider going back to no edit summary from Indent, except when it has removed "small" text (and maybe link to MOS:SMALL too)? Thanks. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 02:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * okay, now adjusted. Frietjes (talk) 14:18, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , It seems to be working fine. I did notice today that the Sri Lanka infobox is full of small text. I tried to remove it, but the tool just silently aborts and does nothing. This is a complicated infobox with a lot of nesting and other script. It's probably not worth your time to investigate - I can do this one manually but I just thought I'd let you know in case you are interested. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 17:06, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * might work now (added two more levels of nesting to the regexp). Frietjes (talk) 17:14, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That did it. Thanks again. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 17:20, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

, it looks like small text is OK in since the font is is not already reduced (per Template talk:Speciesbox), so can you make Indent skip the small removal here and in. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 02:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I removed speciesbox from the unsmall function. I don't think taxobox is included in the indent or unsmall. Frietjes (talk) 18:35, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , I just ran Indent on Gulf of Suez and it removed small from OUTSIDE the infobox. No example to show you since I did not save it. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 22:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * fixed, it was matching the  text.  it's still not 100% robust since it would be fooled by an infobox inside a comment, or small tags inside of a comment, but it should be better than before. Frietjes (talk) 13:46, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Creation of page
Hi, would you be able to make a page for an artist ? He’s name is Jonn Poker and I have tried but gets deleted all the time. Astro1995 (talk) 22:32, 15 October 2020 (UTC)


 * , I believe you are familiar with the WP:AFC process. That is your best alternative providing the subject meets WP:NOTABILITY and you can find the type of reliable sources. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 22:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Payne (soldier)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:04, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Contact
Hello dear MB , I just wanted to talk with you, please give me some information about yourself on social media and let me contact you. Arminzo (talk) 09:52, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello MB can you help me. ? Bnl.yt (talk) 04:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Mahmoud Alamir
Thanks for cleaning up Mahmoud Alamir.

Any objection to asking that the history be WP:HISTSPLIT with the hijacked versions moved to a temporary location, such as user:محمود الأمير/sandbox or Draft:Mahmoud Alamir (Australian scientist), then speedy-deleted as WP:G11/advertising and/or WP:CSD blatant misuse of Wikipedia as a web host?

I think it's important to get this out of the edit history of that page, but revision-deletion isn't the best way in this case.

If you do object to that, do you have any objections to asking for revision-deletion under RD5 "Valid deletion under deletion policy, executed using RevisionDelete" citing CSD G11/unambiguous advertising. It would be silly to have to send the page to AFD for the specific purpose of getting those revisions deleted under RD5.

Before you answer, I will play "devils' advocate" hat and say that even though this is an autobiography, whether it is "unambiguous advertising" is in that grey area - many editors would say "of course" but there are probably a few who would say "let's be very strict about speedy deletion, in this case, draftify or userfy and MFD." I'm not in that camp with respect to these revisions, but I expect at least 10% of experienced editors would be. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  14:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


 * , I don't care about this being in the edit history - I am unaware of any policy that says it should be removed. I don't have any objection to you asking either. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 16:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Split, deletion, or revision-deletion at the administrator's discretion requested. Other editor notified.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  18:31, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Reversion of my Bayer Matrix redirects here
You reverted my addition of a "Bayer Matrix redirects here" on Bayer filter Your justification was "Reverted good faith edits by 73.136.254.175 (talk): Bayer Matrix doe NOT redirect here" If I type "Bayer Matrix" into wikipedia's search box it takes me to Bayer filter with the following text on the top Bayer filter From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Bayer matrix) This link, Bayer matrix, likely also goes to Bayer filter at this time.(Try it, or even just hover over it to see the preview)

I don't know what redirecting means in the context of Wikipedia if neither of those counts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.136.254.175 (talk) 02:14, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


 * , the article was listed in Category:Missing redirects which indicated Bayer Matrix did not redirect to the article. There was a redirect from Bayer matrix (lower case "m") which I have added back to the article. I believe that was was your intent. The fact that you were redirected to the article when you entered Bayer Matrix in the search box was an anomaly of the search function. Notice that Bayer Matrix is a redlink, indicating it doesn't exist (and therefore can't be a redirect) - which is why your change put the article into the missing redirect category. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 03:10, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Mexican IP, image syntax
Ugh, this guy undoing correct image syntax is annoying. He's like an LTA. Why would someone do this?

List of IPs used so far:


 * 187.232.104.77
 * 187.232.6.117
 * 187.232.81.85
 * 187.232.1.253
 * 187.232.115.127
 * 187.232.50.13 (?)
 * 2806:103E:2:64CD:0:0:0:0/64
 * 2806:103E:2:6902:4941:342E:A04E:D3FF

Raymie (t • c) 03:53, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Looks like 187.232.49.16 is him too. Raymie (t • c) 05:14, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * , I fixed 10 or so tonight. Most of their edits are adding logos or other minor fixes, sometimes with or without the correct syntax undo. And a couple of times it is only the undo. Seems to be just misguided. This is why I agree with every proposal to require accounts. There is no way to leave messages for this guy. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 05:23, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I wonder what to do. Do I open an LTA page? Advocate for a rangeblock (since he adds logos, even incorrect ones, even after being reverted)? Raymie (t • c) 05:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * , 187.232.113.0 today. Hitting some of the same articles they previously broke. I don't think this qualifies at LTA - it's not mischief, just misguided. I don't know of a good way to deal with this. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 04:47, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Me neither, and honestly right now I'm not quite up to handling it. Raymie (t • c) 05:48, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Adding 187.232.35.38 to this list and pinging as they encountered this user and reverted their edits. I really have no clue what to do. Raymie (t • c) 07:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Adding 170.211.79.189: Unsourced edits at WMC-TV and KFVS-TV. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 14:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought it was just a test. Having clicked that IP, I'd've seen their history. At most, I'd warn them, and if disruption persist, like in XHELG-FM, I'd ask for protection. (CC) Tb hotch <big style="color: #555555;">™ 15:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * That IP doesn't match the location or edit patterns of the others. All the IPs involved trace to Aguascalientes, Mexico, and at least in IPv4 are 187.232.x.x. Raymie (t • c) 17:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * 187.232.69.113 today <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 23:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

European date format
Thanks for your edits on Barbara L. Kelly. However, in the infobox, her birth date now reads "June 2, 1966" and I would much prefer the dmy format. However, having consulted a few formatting guidelines here on WP including the Manual of Style for dates, I can't find how to do it. There must be some sort of shortlink. Excuse my ignorance / inexperience. Can you, please, either emlighten me where I find such a shortlink or do the formatting yourself? Thanks. – Aklein62 (talk) 14:41, 7 November 2020 (UTC)


 * , done. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 15:03, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Infobox broadcasting network
Just as a corollary to the Multimedios Televisión edits, I actually have been meaning to deprecate Infobox broadcasting network (Infobox network) for some time.

I created Infobox radio network as its radio-side replacement (it accepts most of the same parameters) and then there's Infobox broadcasting network convert which is a substable wrapper to convert to Infobox television channel. Some of the uses of the broadcasting network infobox really should be Infobox company or Infobox organization, tbh. Raymie (t • c) 17:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Maria Messina
I corrected the errors you introduced into the article. There was some discrepancy between your stated intentions in the edit summaries and the actual results. Palermo is not in Tuscany. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 12:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for fixing that. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 13:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Edits to Catherine Stefani
Hi MB - a belated note of gratitude for your proofreading and edits to Catherine Stefani. I've learned from them and made notes! Sukey (talk) 21:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)Sukey

St. Peter's Basilica Edit
May I ask you why my edit was reverted? I seemed to do nothing wrong. But I would love to know the reason behind your action, probably something I am not aware of. Thanks.

Note: Re-reading my request, I find that I sound a bit rude, but I promise I am trying to be respectful, not rude :-). I would love to hear from you soon. GucciNuzayer (talk) 19:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * , Flag icons are not used in most infoboxes, only if they represent the place (such as a city or country). If a building, church, or a person is in or from a place, we don't use the flag of the place in the infobox. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 19:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I will remember it. GucciNuzayer (talk) 10:48, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

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Ruhana Khanna
Good morning Please I want to know why the page "Ruhana Khanna" is being redirect. Idoghor Melody (talk) 09:56, 20 November 2020 (UTC)


 * , I was not the editor who changed the article to a redirect. The editor that made the change left an edit summary explaining they thought the subject did not meet either WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. You should read both of those. If you can find more sources with in-depth coverage, you may be able to create an article. I would also recommend you use the WP:AFC process. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 14:40, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Pls are you a Nigerian? Idoghor Melody (talk) 18:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

November 2020
Hello, I'm GiantSnowman. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions&#32;to Khassa Camara have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. GiantSnowman 11:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC) — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC) PS: forgot to re-ping. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't know why you thought this edit was not constructive. I enlarged a small image, expanded the short description, and removed a redundant field. I removed full_name because the name is identical to the article title, there is no need to repeat information in an infobox per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. You may have been triggered because there was a reference on the name, but there is no need to provide a specific reference in an infobox as to the subjects name; that ref was not used elsewhere. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 14:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Incorrect, there is clear long-standing consensus at WT:FOOTBALL that in situations where the full name and the article name are the same, we still display the full name. This is to prevent IPs adding fake names etc. as they often do. If you don't agree please feel free to raise the issue at WT:FOOTBALL. You should not have reverted me per WP:BRD. GiantSnowman 15:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * See above. We don't use birth_name if it is equal to the title or name. I have been treating full_name the same way as redundant. GS thinks differently, and I don't see the IP vandalism reason as very good - anyone can vandalize an existing full_name as easily as they can add a fake one. As far as consensus at WT:FOOTBALL, I found Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 135 which doesn't seem to be to be a very clear consensus to me. Even if there are other discussions, it's still a LOCALCONSENSUS. Should we discuss this in a central place, like MOS:INFOBOX? <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 18:11, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not remembering right off-hand being deeply involved in this, but I deal with so much template stuff I can forget. I agree with MB that "our topic sees some extra vandalism" is not a rationale for a divergence in template practice.  This is yet another of those old "our wikiproject is own special kingdom" things that can lead to a lot of unproductive strife, and it's especially fraught with hazards when it comes to infoboxes. E.g. the community decision to stop putting ethnicity in infoboxes is something that plenty of wikiprojects would probably like to undo in "their" articles, but they are not empowered to do that, per WP:CONLEVEL policy.  If there's a vandalism issue, that's a patrolling and enforcement problem. The best way to avoid drive-by i-box vandalism by IPs is (aside from semi-protecting one subject to ongoing spates of vandalism) is probably to remove all parameters that are not necessary, since the average "Wouldn't it be funny to add Jack Mehoff as a name here?" goofball is not going to look up template documentation and figure out what extra params they can add.  And editors are already going to be alert to people radically changing a name in an existing param.  All that said, I'm just going by what's been said so far in this little thread; there may be other background worth looking at. I would also agree, though, that refs do not belong in the infobox but the article, especially if they have not in fact been used in the article body yet, even if there are a handful of good reasons to use one  in an infobox, e.g. when the datum in question is frequently disputed.  I don't personally have a strong opinion on whether infoboxes should or should not repeat a name if it matches the title, but if there's already a site-wide consensus record on that question then it should be followed.  I do see that infoboxes have a header at their very top that gives the subject's name, and this most often matches the article title (which also usually matches the bold name in the lead sentence, though less often with bios). But I get the impression this is not about that at all, but only about repeating a name again in full_name and/or birth_name.  I do recall consensus discussions, including a semi-recent one, to not do things like that when the results would be redundant (not sure if it was strictly about these parameters, though I do think it was about  and its children.  I would have to go dig around to find it again and be sure.
 * I have edited football articles for nearly 15 years. I am in the top 50 of editors ever by number of edits. Not trying to blow my own trumpet, just trying to make it clear that I am very experienced - so please trust me when I say that full name and height issues arise frequently on footballer articles and they are an easy target for lulz vandalism, and as such both are usually explicitly referenced in footballer infoboxes, and have been for many years. See also John Wark which has 'John Wark' referenced as his fullname and is a FA... GiantSnowman 22:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , were you thinking about the RFC to disallow nationality if it was the same as country of birth? That was conceptually the same - don't unnecessarily repeat info in infobox. The doc for does state to use birth_name= "only use if different from name=.  This all relates to having infoboxes "summarize key facts".  has all three parameters (name/full_name/birth_name) and it does say to not use birth_name= if it isn't different. It is silent on what to do if name= and full_name= are the same - but GS seems rather adamant (did you see last comment above) that footy bios should repeat the name to limit vandalism. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 02:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Also, has all three names and the doc there advises that full_name= is only for when it differs from name= and birth_name=. So this redundant usage of full_name appears to be just a local football thing, not all athletes. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 14:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds correct to me (including which discussion I was thinking of). Given that infobox person, infobox sportsperson, etc., are consistently documented, it appears that the footy one is defying a site-wide consensus, and doing so on a bogus basis (vandalism potential doesn't have anything to do with how WP treats content).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * One of the most active WikiProjects having a consensus is not WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Raise if there if you wish. GiantSnowman 18:53, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Penn Club of New York Historic Landmark
Source used in intro states it's a National Historic Place: https://web.archive.org/web/20110705223037/http://www.nyc.gov/html/lpc/downloads/pdf/reports/2429.pdf

Can you help verify / update infobox if true?

@User:MB
 * I replied at the TP of the article. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 20:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)