User talk:MC10/Archive 15

Hello.
Do you think you could tidy this up, too? =) - Donald Duck (talk) 15:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be willing to. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  17:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks! - Donald Duck (talk) 00:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Just a note
I noticed that you haven't opted in for editc ounting for your bot, User:MCBot. Not sure if that was your intention, thus why I am asking. No need to answer if you don't want I'm just curious. Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124; Champagne?  10:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'll do that later. Right now I'm a bit busy in real life, and haven't checked in much. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  03:48, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Righto, regards, Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124; Champagne?  02:06, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

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Hello MC10, thank you for supporting my RfA! I was promoted with a final tally of 65/4/3. I hope I can live up to everyone's expectations, do my best for Wikipedia, and take to heart the constructive criticism. Always feel free to message me if I'm around. Magog the Ogre (talk) 11:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  17:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

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Jack Ebs
You brother mentions that you are aware your other brother is creating new socks. Which admin did you give this information to so that they could adjust the IP hardblock and look for other socks? Kuru  (talk)  02:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I asked Alison to look into the situation, as she had done so previously. She is a CheckUser, so it shouldn't be a problem for her to hardblock our IP. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Beauty. Thanks.  Kuru   (talk)  03:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Cheers, — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  03:43, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Hiya MC10, I was wondering if you could add an American English to the Editnotice for The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. Thanks! Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124; Champagne?  07:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, — MC10  ( T • C • GB •L)  14:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  14:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124; Champagne?  02:08, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks Mc10 for the lovely vote; this is a personal note to say I appreciated the vote a ton. Sincerely  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  19:09, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because your account is being used only for sock puppetry or meat puppetry. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Tiptoety talk 07:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, didn't MC10 state that those accounts were family members?--White Shadows Your guess is as good as mine 18:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see the discussion and my comments here. Cheers, Tiptoety  talk 19:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Tiptoety, I'm not really buying this. I see no motive for MC10 to be a sock or have operated socks. I was blocked as a sock puppet/master in a similar circumstance almost a year ago.--White Shadows Your guess is as good as mine 19:39, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe "public computer" was a poor choice of words on my part. I was attempting to say that you and many of the other confirmed accounts edited from the same public IP address that is allocated to a library. Additionally, I have to agree with Timotheus Canens above, ArbCom is your best venue for appeal at this stage in the game. Cheers,  Tiptoety  talk 03:28, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have sent an email to ArbCom. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  03:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Regarding Tiptoety's reply: Actually, I am pretty sure that we didn't. Only ActivExpression and myself (and possibly Jack Ebs) has edited there. I'm not sure what the CheckUser data shows, but are you sure you are not including data from our home computers? Additionally, we usually go to the library together, so an overlap of editing time periods would be expected; in addition, every person can only use one computer at a time in the library, so I do not understand why you would think the accounts are operated by me.
 * Also, didn't we go over this before, in October 2009? It would be appreciated if someone could review previous discussions and editing histories before blocking me, so I can continue contributing if someone unblocks me. Thanks. Cheers, — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  20:37, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Without going into the merits or otherwise of your case, I think you really do need to await a response from ArbCom. Although it could be argued that you are a good contributor (and that is true, from what I know of you), this does not preclude you creating other accounts for unconstructive editing - we've been burnt that way before by other editors. As an admin without CU data, I can't look at the editing patterns for all the accounts listed at User talk:ActivExpression and make a judgement on whether you are an innocent caught up in the fall out from the other accounts, or if you are a guilty party just plain caught out - you are either genuinely upset at what's happening, or saying "oh damn, they've caught me - I thought that MC10 account would hide my true nature" - and from this side of the computer screen, I have no way of knowing which is the case! See what ArbCom and/or a CU with access to the data has to say. -- Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 13:57, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * MC10, can you also e-mail me your explanation as to what has been going on? I want to help you (and I'm hoping that I'm not wrong and that you are a legit-non sock master/puppet) I have this paged watched so good luck with that e-mail to Arbcom. Remember, the last thing you wold want to do is to create another account. That will get you in BIG trouble really fast and effectively ban you. :)--<font style="color:#191970">White Shadows <font style="color:#DC143C">Your guess is as good as mine 00:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course I will not sockpuppet; there is no point of doing so. I will shoot you an email once I have the time to. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  18:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * @White Shadows: I have sent you an email. Check your inbox. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  21:57, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * To the others who think I'm sockpuppeting: Why would I waste my time sockpuppeting on Wikipedia? I am busy enough studying at school, and do not have any time to waste. This is why my activity level has decreased these few months; as school has started, I am busier with schoolwork, and do not have as much free time dedicated to editing here. Of course, if I was unblocked, I would make occasional edits here and there, but at least they would be constructive and useful. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  22:06, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * MC10, email me. Tell me what you said to ArbCom and your explanation of everything. Starting at square 1, ending at the moment you hit send. When I've got a reliable connection, I will look into all of this. I'm probably too involved to act in an admin capacity, but I can look at it with an open mind. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   11:29, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have emailed you, HJ Mitchell. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:53, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

GAR notification
An article that you have been involved in editing, Igor Panarin has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments here. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nsk92 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not the best person to notify right now; I'm currently blocked. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  16:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

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Welcome back
Welcome back MC10!  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  21:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I am glad to see you back, and I hope you will not perceive my comments to imply that I thought you were socking - merely that from where I was sitting, I could not be totally sure one way or another. I am glad, though, that a CU has unblocked you with a clear message! Now, what are you doing still reading this? Get back to your excellent work! -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 22:19, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll be right at it! By the way, can you please restore the rights to my account? It would be appreciated. Cheers, — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  01:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ ( X! ·  talk )  · @141  · 02:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Welcome back? Where had you gone? Oh, the sock puppet thingi... :):) MC10, welcome back!!! I had been following the action and many a time wanted to leave a comment. But there was already some discussion going on and didn't want to exacerbate it whichever way. Now, great to have you back and enjoy the experience MC10 (btw, why are you called MC10; I know of MC Hammer and stuff; any relation) (not watching this page. pl ping/tb me if you reply.) Bye :):)   Wifione    <sub style="font-size: 60%">....... <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> Leave a message  04:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Wikione. You're welcome to comment if you wish to; I don't care either way. (By the way, MC10 doesn't really stand for anything.) — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  04:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Despite my later comments I still had faith in you :) welcome back :) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  •  7:57pm  • 09:57, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, MC10. Well done on your goal to be unbanned (yet again). It's just a shame that ActivExpression's appeals weren't just as adequate, in addition to his becoming a sockpuppeteer (like Madden) by using Thinkerbot not as a bot account. -- 92.23.7.73 (talk) 11:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. And I though MC10 stood for MathCool10, which is what you were called when a certain Youtube guru roamed in his favorite topics here for a while. -- 92.23.7.73 (talk) 11:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, AE is unblocked now. I did not realize that he had renamed 9001 times since the last time there was a mess surrounding this. J.delanoy <sup style="color:red;">gabs <sub style="color:blue;">adds  13:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, NSD. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  16:21, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back (2)
Welcome back MC10. I also want to apologize for putting indef on your userpage, it had been well over a week and users would not have known if you were blocked or not. Sounds like this had all been a bad misunderstanding.. Tom my! 19:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and it's fine. Cheers, — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  16:15, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

ActivExpression
So he's your brother, eh? Well, here's something: He just got his ban reversed for some reason. Hope he's happy along with you. (Also, Madden NFL 21 is still gonna be pretty pissed off about not having HIS account unblocked, but he deserves it for this mess in the first place with vehement socking.)

This features why he appeared to be unblocked; my edits maybe? -- 92.23.7.73 (talk) 21:38, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Not exactly. J.delanoy had dealt with our case before; it just happened to be that he looked at it right now. Thanks anyways. (By the way, are you a registered user? You seem to be quite familiar with our policies.) — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  16:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

User:MCS10Bot
Welcome back, my friend. Glad to see the ugly matter was resolved and that my gut wasn't wrong. Sorry I couldn't be of much assistance, but real life was keeping me busy. Anyhow, is anything to do with you? HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, HJ Mitchell. And no, is probably another sock  created. Please block the account. Cheers, — MC10  ( T • C • GB •L)  02:39, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeffed. Courcelles 02:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

You have a fan
Access Denied [FATAL ERROR] 02:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm guessing it's . I've tagged it as such. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  03:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi MC10
You might want to ask for your access to the ACC Toolserver since I think you were suspended re the sockpuppetry kerfuffle. —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  • 7:05pm • 08:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, I will ask one of the tool admins. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  18:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Righto then, glad to have you back :) Regards, —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  • 10:37am • 23:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

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Hi there. User:Neutralhomer has accused me of "wheel warring" with you by my G4 deletion of Category:Wikipedian WikiElves in a discussion on my talk page, since you apparently condoned moving the members of Category:Wikipedian WikiElfs there at one point. I assume this was an honest mistake and you had no idea that Category:Wikipedian WikiElves had been previously deleted, which I tried to explain to him wasn't wheel warring, but he isn't buying it. Perhaps you would like to add your input there, as he is threatening to bring me to WP:AN/I. Thanks, VegaDark (talk) 05:18, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute, I just realized you aren't an admin, although you are the only user he cited in his edit summary of creating the category. Not really sure who he meant now, but feel free to add your input anyway if you want. VegaDark (talk) 05:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied here. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  01:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Know anything about homothetic centers in circles?
Hi MC10, please see User talk:Download if you know anything about this! I'm not sure how it's wrong. <font face="Papyrus"><font color=#9966CC>- <font color=#7B68EE>down <font color=#9966CC>load <font color=#7B68EE>׀ <font color=#8A2BE2>sign!  23:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied there. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  02:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Bunching?
Hi. Could you explain what was the problem you just fixed at WikiProject Accessibility? I don't see any difference between the two versions.

Except that you just introduced a layout table, which is a bad practice on the web. Web designers and web developers who care about quality have been actively fighting against layout tables for almost a decade now. This layout table also slightly worsen accessibility, although it's not detrimental. So I'd really like to get an explanation. ;-) Kind regards, Dodoïste (talk) 20:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I was fixing the bunched-up edit links. See How to fix bunched-up edit links. It's a standardized practice on Wikipedia. I an against using layout tables as well, but tables are the easiest way to fix the bunched-up edit links. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  20:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for explaining. :-) I couldn't notice the bug because I prevented it. I have a script that changes the location of the edit link, and place it right next to the header. Just like the default behavior at fr.wikipedia and de.wikipedia. Not only does it prevent this bug, it is also more usable and provide a better user experience.
 * Anyway, this is rather a software issue. The usability team also suggested to move the edit link next to the headers. But Brion Vibber is too scared to break a few scripts, see 11555 and 11270. So this issue may well linger on forever.
 * A local script at MediaWiki:common.js would solve the issue, just like for fr: and de:.
 * I strongly disagree that "tables are the easiest way to fix the bunched-up edit links". How many edits must be made, when one single edit at MediaWiki:common.js would suffice?
 * For these reasons, and for the fact that this change has an impact on accessibility (albeit a small one) at the accessibility project, I will revert your change. Kind regards, Dodoïste (talk) 23:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm perfectly fine with you reverting my change. However, IMO, the location of the edit links for pages is fine as is. I would prefer edit links in the current position than right next to the header. But that's a personal opinion, and I'll respect you to your opinion. Cheers, — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  01:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that's because you're used to it. But for users who are not familiar to Wikipedia, it is noticeably more intuitive. One of the usability rules is to have related things near each other (to be identified as one single group). Things that are significantly separated are far from each other. This usability rule comes from psychological research, one so renown Wikipedia has an article about it: Gestalt psychology.
 * Which means that is the edit button is at the opposite place from the header, it is not related to it. That's the first feeling of the user anyway, the user is unconscious of it most of the times. So he has to think a little, and deduce that albeit being separated these two elements are indeed related.
 * This understanding may happen really quickly for some users. But for others, it will take quite some time. This issue is one small barrier in the walls that prevents users from editing Wikipedia. But it's also by fixing a large number of small issues that you can achieve high usability. Kind regards, Dodoïste (talk) 17:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)