User talk:MD10

Tal-y-llyn Lake
Please read Wikipedia's policies on not including original research in articles and not inserting your own point of view. The source I quoted shows that the hamlet Talyllyn lies at the west end of the lake. Please do not change factual information drawn from reliable sources. Similarly, though you may want to change the name of the lake, the common name of the lake both now and historically has been "Tal-y-llyn Lake". Please stop using Wikipedia to push an agenda, however well intentioned it may be. Thanks, Railfan23 (talk) 20:26, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Llyn Mwngil
Despite references that may be written in English the fact remains that the lake is called Llyn Mwngil. You can not change the name to suit yourself and use references that would obviously been written by an English person because it is a well known fact that there was a point in Welsh history that meant that the Welsh language was trying to be destroyed. Tal-y-llyn is the hamlet ( translates to by the lake) and is not the name of the lake MD10 (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but that is strictly incorrect. Both factually and per Wikipedia policy, which you have clearly not yet read. So, please go back and read the policies, particularly the policy on verifiability. In a nutshell, it says that we can only work from sources. Not your opinion, not my opinion, but sources. The sources says the lake is commonly called Tal-y-llyn. Your opinion about the validity of English people is irrelevant. Those are what the sources say, that's what the article should reflect. The overwhelming majority of sources, both in English and Welsh give the name of the lake as Tal-y-llyn. For example, if you search for "talyllyn lake" in the Library of Wales newspaper archive you get about 2500 articles. If you search for "Mwngil" you get zero articles - and that archives includes hundreds of thousands of articles in dozens of newspapers in Welsh, written by Welsh people. Whatever you want to be true, Mwngil is vastly less used than Tal-y-llyn and Wikipedia has to reflect well-sourced reality. Railfan23 (talk) 22:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Llyn mwyngil
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4357220/4357228/66/Mwyngil

A quick search finds this MD10 (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hmm... looks like the search failed earlier. But there are 30 mentions of "Mwyngil" in the entire archive: See This search. There are three thousand for "Talyllyn lake", see this search. This shows that "Talyllyn lake" is the common name, even in Welsh newspapers. Railfan23 (talk) 23:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Llyn Mwyngil
Could I ask, are you from this area because if you were you would be extremely aware of the hamlet and where it actually exists around the lake. Also you would be aware that the hamlet is called Tal-y-llyn as shown in the censuses as well as other works. It seems incredible to me that you can not see how insulting it is, to people who are Welsh that you change the name of their land MD10 (talk) 10:04, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Where I live, and where you live, has nothing to do with the question at hand. This is a Wikipedia article, so everyone needs to follow the Wikipedia policies. I disagree with you that "Talyllyn" is insulting to Welsh people. It is a Welsh name and, as has been clearly demonstrated, is preferred over "Mwyngil" by a ratio of 100:1 in Welsh publications. Railfan23 (talk) 00:13, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Llyn Mwyngil
This may be of interest to you to help emphasis my point https://getoutside.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/local/llyn-mwyngil-gwynedd-or-tal-y-llyn-lake https://wales.com/about/language/place-names-wales https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-44481950 MD10 (talk) 10:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)