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Hi, I saw from WP:CRIC that you are a Somerset supporter. You may have noticed that I have been doing some work on expanding the articles for their players recently, notably Craig Kieswetter, Omari Banks and Zander de Bruyn. I am also paying particular attention to Andrew Caddick due to his upcoming retirement, and the fact he was a leading England player for a number of years. I would appreciate any input or contributions you might have on these or other Somerset CCC related articles, and particularly would appreciate comments on the how the Andrew Caddick article is shaping up. Harrias (talk) 12:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the message. I am very interested to see what you've been working on - I'll have a proper look when I get a spare bit of time.&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 21:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Template:Infobox cricketer biography
Hi, I'm not sure who's best to ask about this, but as you're the editor with most edits to the above template I thought you might be the right person. The other day, I asked whether it would be worth adding strike rate and economy rate to the infobox as optional fields. My rationale is that modern cricket, especially with the advent of T20 and the IPL, isn't all about batting/bowling average and being able to score quickly is almost or bowl tightly is almost as important in the short form of the game as batting for a long time and taking wickets. My reservation is that it might make the infobox too long, where should the line be drawn? Although my suggestion at WT:CRIC didn't draw much attention, commented (in fact his comment was the only reply) that it might be useful to have the number of 4s and 6s or the bowling strike rate. Anyway, just a thought. Thanks, Nev1 (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi - thanks for the message. I'd seen the conversation but was waiting to see what others thought. My personal opinion is that it is long enough, but if there is consensus for lengthening it then that can be done. I'll have a think about it and we'll see if we can get any further comment.&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 21:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Adoption
Hi

I'm good with cricket, I've alot of knowledge about the game...

I'd like to help develop cricket and AFL (Australian Football League) in wikipedia. I work well with anyone who has good knowledge about sport, I'm new and raw and will require some assistance. You can read my (talk) for more Information on what I'm like, I'm mostly sport.

Thanks

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The addition of the popular pages facility to the Yorkshire sidebar last month has thrown light on which of our articles Wikipedia readers actually access most. The first month for which there is complete data is September when Arctic Monkeys were in pole position with an average 6,869 hits daily. In second place with 5,781 was Wuthering Heights followed by Dracula with 4,996. The table is sortable on a number of attributes but the sort takes a while to complete.

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Hi. Judging by talk pages/histories you're the most regular contributor on the Rebus novels. I've read a fair few of them of late and look at the pages it strikes me now that it'd more appropriate to merge all the character articles but Rebus into a List of characters from the Inspector Rebus series (or similar title). Then expand that, adding all various characters that appear across multiple books. Cafferty and Siobhan could sustain their own articles, but in their present state I reckon they'd look far neater tidied up and put in a larger list. Then if they get too big they can be split off again. Just thought I'd run it by you before getting on with it. HornetMike (talk) 00:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine by me - I haven't touched any of them for quite a while now. Like you say, they can always be split off again if there is a lot of content. Go for it.&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 18:47, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. I've only read a bout a third of them, and borrowed them from the library so I don't have them with me, so the information is pretty basic. So there may be character/information omissions that should be in there. HornetMike (talk) 20:59, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

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At least some vandals have a good sense of humour :) Saw your timely revert.  ▒ Wirεłεşş ▒ Fidεłitұ ▒ Ćłâşş ▒ Θnε ▒  <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łεâvε Ξ мεşşâgε♣ 18:05, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It beats the usual tone I suppose! "Barnes is your mum" etc....&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 22:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
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Just to clarify...
I re-read the edit summary of a reply I made to you here and I realised you might interpret it in the wrong way. The bit about "confused nagging" isn't meant to say anything other than I was just refering to your edit of "there's something nagging in my mind ... but I might be confusing it with something else". Anyway I just wanted to be clear that no other meaning was meant in my edit summary. Sorry, <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  17:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey! If I wasn't agreeing with you, then maybe I could have mis-interpreted it; but as we are forming consensus, and seem to be in agreement I doubt I would have even thought about it! Thanks for the thought though. &mdash;MDCollins (talk) 23:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

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Major characters in The Railway Series
Long time, no talk! I've been leaving you to 'your own thing' rather than bothering you about 'Thomas' stuff, but I could do with an opinion here. I'm having a real battle with an anon editor who seems to have swallowed the entire rulebook and is applying WP guidelines to the letter with a litigious fervour I have not previously encountered here. There are a lot of editors who have been rankled by his activity. An example is that he sees the template as unnecessary and has been religiously changing them to anything else, including inappropriate  templates. We use to link subsections of the T&F/RWS character pages.

Recently he attacked Major characters in The Railway Series, changing all the links to, which of course is misleading. (He has done the same to the T&F pages. I have yet to find the enthusiasm to correct them.) After much heated discussion, ranging across WP, I have re-re-applied the templates that link to the TV series page (with revised wording) and he seems to be tolerating these, for now.

However, in the 'main' characters at the start of the article, the context of the link to the TV series is different and hence the format is different too. If you look at the most recent stream of edits (23 Feb), he has changed my recently-applied formatting to a different form, where the link is more disguised. I cannot decide whether his edits were good for the article or not, and just wanted your opinion on whether they provided the best wording for a link between the RWS and T&F pages.

I hope the above makes sense. I ended up editing very late last night, and the after-effects haven't worn off yet. Cheers.

EdJogg (talk) 10:16, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hiya - sorry I haven't been any help recently. I did notice the rather "kind" message he left on your talk page yesterday and had a look at the tfd discussion but it was late and even I was getting confused with them all. I've had a quick look at the Main characters (his last edits); I don't find a lot wrong with the format (apart from Don and Doug which is a broken link...), don't see it makes much difference. However, I don't think the link is even necessary. Why link to a TV series summary when it then points to the main anyway? Why not remove the link altogether? Could leave in place "Duck is a main character", or remove it altogether as the main characters cross over anyway (just point out the exceptions)? Actually re-looking back at how it looked last month, maybe it does make a difference. It is more clear that the old link would link to a character summary, rather than perhaps the main article. Could revert, or consider removing.


 * We either need a "Main" template or the "see also", both is probably excessive. I'll have another look into things tonight.&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 10:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. You have made me re-evaluate the need for those links, and you are right, they are not needed. Each of the main characters also has a "Main" template leading to their main article, which covers both book and TV characteristics. The section in "Major characters..." and its T&F equivalent are only summaries, so it is not right to cross-link one summary to another. The lesser characters are another matter, since each subsection is effectively a 'main' in its own right, and cross-linking is entirely appropriate.
 * I'll remove the links now (which were all 'pre-move' anyway!).
 * Thankfully our 'friend' must have gone to bed as everything's been much quieter so far today -- yesterday the intensity was getting towards the point of me considering giving up editing...
 * EdJogg (talk) 12:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't do that! Just remember that these editors who just turn up and try to change everything get bored after a few days, and in a couple of weeks you can do a mass revert and they probably won't even notice. Remember the trouble in the past - Felix? etc. Those who stick around edit longest!&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 22:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Ahh. Sage words, my friend, thank you. It was the intensity that was the problem, and once he started stalking my contributions I wondered what I'd have to do to escape and get on with my other editing in peace. (He must have been stalking as there's no way he'd have otherwise stumbled across Tower Bridge and the Furness K2 (suggested prototype for Edward)...)


 * Things have moved on. He has gloated over 'winning', regarding the overlinking in steamroller -- it took an effort to avoid getting into a slanging match there! But his TfD for has been thrown out. Now he's trying to prove that that template can only be used as a hatnote (where it is unlikely to be useful). Sigh. I am biding my time. There are about 6 of 'my' articles he has attacked (among 100s of edits), and I'll need to revisit them when things have quietened down. (He also has a thing about heading text, and most are reduced to single words.) Some of his edits are good, but his style is so confrontational (BOLD+++) that this is not so easy to spot. As for the template, I now don't care if he gets his way, as I'll just create a new template to do the same job, or else apply the formatting directly, which is how it was applied in the first place!
 * Time will tell... -- EdJogg (talk) 00:30, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You can not just wait weeks and then revert everything.
 * We are well aware of that. Thanks for reminding us though. Must of forgotten that "rule" in the heat of battle.&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 16:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The actual changes I've made to the articles are RULE based. They are not my own opinions of aesthetics.  You simply cannot use that style of disambiguation on Major characters in The Railway Series because it is not necessary and unwieldy.  Also the hatnote is not meant to be used in this function.  Also, disambiguation is for terms that may be CONFUSED.  Clearly, the application is for related articles.  Disambiguation is used for tangential topics, not related topics.


 * I already integrated the bluelinks in prose. What is your obsession with hatnotes?174.3.99.176 (talk) 02:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The obsession with hatnotes is yours. My obsession is making a quality encyclopaedia.
 * Wikipedia has very few rules, essentially they relate to Notability, Reliability (of information) and Verifiability. Beyond that there are Policies and Guidelines, and these are to be applied using common sense.


 * You should also be aware of Ignore all rules, which allows any editor to ignore a 'rule' if it is preventing the improvement of Wikipedia. Claiming that can only be used as a hatnote is just such a rule. You should be well mindful of that if you want to avoid making every WP editor hostile to your intents.


 * EdJogg (talk) 14:52, 27 February 2010 (UTC) -- (Sorry MDC!)


 * If you got out of your thomas world, you would see that NO article uses this hatnote to link to other articles. Hatnotes are for disambiguation, and if you want to disambiguate bluelinks, then do it in the paragraph.  YOU DO NOT NEED for2!100110100 (talk) 21:46, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Then we are disambiguating "x the Railway Series character" from "x the Thomas and Friends character".&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well said, that man. I've just written effectively the same thing on the "Major characters" talk page (before seeing what you'd written here). Do you think he'll get the point?


 * The fact that this format isn't used outside these articles may simply reflect the fact that there are no other subjects (currently) that need this treatment. Doesn't mean it's wrong!


 * BTW Mr 308 the only reason I am spending a lot of time in 'my thomas world' at the moment is because of your continuing insistence on degrading the articles. What I should be doing at the moment is post-FA review of two articles, GA preparation of a third, and pre-DYK proof-read of a fourth. That is why I might not get round to repairing the articles for a number of weeks. -- EdJogg (talk) 02:35, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia needs more people like me to audit your damn articles.174.3.99.176 (talk) 05:43, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Major characters in The Railway Series
So then why did you revert me.174.3.99.176 (talk) 01:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, I explained that on the article talk page which you read before posting here. I've given further explanation, not that one was needed.&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 15:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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Wilbert Awdry as standard link
In your travels, can you please standardize on Wilbert Awdry as the normal link, this being the actual article title? (There are 10 or more redirects!)

I use the standard formatting:  ...the Rev. W. Awdry...  to produce ...the Rev. W. Awdry...

Also, where you see written "[t|T]he Railway Series of children's books by...", could you remove the 'of ' please? Most likely to be encountered in prototype loco pages, but I don't expect you to go hunting for them!

Cheers -- EdJogg (talk) 12:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1. Sure
 * 2. - to "The Railway Series children's books by..." - really? OK, having thought about it for a few minutes, I see your point but it's a bit clumsy; It's not as simple as "The Winnie the Pooh children's books" because of the use of 'series' as a proper noun. TBH, won't "The Railway Series by..." be just as effective? If it's not obvious, they'll click through if they don't know who/what/where/how won't they?&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 22:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * It is a bit clumsy, but it is providing complete and concise context for pages where the very presence of such information can be frowned upon! You could get away with removing 'children's', perhaps, but I think 'books' is needed to focus just what 'The Railway Series' is. For an example, see LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0; I usually try to restrict such references to the minimum text. -- EdJogg (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, fair point. In articles ex-universe, as it were, such as the Black Five article your text reads fine. Other articles, directly within the WP:THOMAS framework it could be simplified. The first sentences have got quite long too (and overlinked?), I was wondering whether the Whyte notation could be moved later in the lead nearer to which class of locomotive it was based on. Also, when is anthropomorphism not fictional? Tautology? Tell me if I've cut too much out here... Example:


 * "Henry the Green Engine is a fictional anthropomorphic 4-6-0 steam locomotive from The Railway Series books written by the Reverend Wilbert Vere Awdry and his son, Christopher Awdry, and the spin-off children's television series, Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends.
 * "Henry the Green Engine is an anthropomorphic steam locomotive from The Railway Series by the Rev. W. Awdry and his son, Christopher, and the spin-off television series, Thomas and Friends.
 * Incidentally, the italicising of characters is a bit hit and miss. Some of the full names are italicised (Gordon the Big Engine) (I'm not sure whether it necessary or not), but the piped links tend not to be. Thoughts?&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 12:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Moving Whyte notation, fine. Not sure about losing fictional or keeping anthropomorphic. Comparison with other articles is inconclusive. None of the Alice in Wonderland animals mention anthrop., but Lightning McQueen (from cars) does. Several articles don't mention fiction, but those that do tend to link fictional character (I looked at a couple of Cars characters too). I don't really have a strong opinion -- just consider what someone coming to the character/article for the first time might think.
 * Italicising should be done in accordance with WP:MOS, so book or story titles probably should be, and characters not. Different rules may apply at the start of the multi-character pages where we want to highlight the name the first time -- bold might be permissible there, since most are also redirect targets.
 * -- EdJogg (talk) 13:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I would assume that the first thing that a lot of people looking at the article for the first time would probably think "anthropo-what?". What about keeping fictional, but unlinked? I'm just concious of the possibility of 4/5 consecutive words being linked to separate articles, which is confusing and excessive. I guess the difference between "A in W" is that animals in fiction tend to be anthropomorphic anyway. Locomotives are seen as inanimate (sort of) and it is the added face in illustrations that makes them more anthrop than normal. Can you see what I'm getting at?&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 14:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, actually the same thought had occurred to me, but I didn't have time to write any more! Your linking suggestion seems sensible, although the 'anthrop...' article doesn't obviously mention fictional either! -- EdJogg (talk) 16:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, so we re-write anthropomorphism as well!! My thoughts while at work were maybe try this:  fictional anthropomorphic  or  fictional anthropomorphic  although that section is pretty dire. It would increase the blue sea, but would keep the links more logical. The Literature section of anthrop almost seems more of a description of allegorical than anthrop. It makes you wonder whether it is even worth linking to; however, we should. I'll add it to the long list of things that I don't have time to tackle.&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 23:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * My ToDo list grows quite happily by itself, so I'm afraid you're on your own with that one.


 * As an idea to reduce the 'blue sea', how about this?


 * "Henry the Green Engine is a fictional anthropomorphic character from The Railway Series books by the Rev. W. Awdry and his son, Christopher, and also appears in the spin-off television series, Thomas and Friends. Henry is a green 4-6-0 steam locomotive..."


 * Trouble is that we should mention he is a tender locomotive too...
 * EdJogg (talk) 23:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That might just work. Could you just link "Henry is a green 4-6-0 tender locomotive" (or Tank engine/locomotive, diesel locomotive etc) and trust that they will work out that it is a steam locomotive (and if they still don't get it, they can follow the link from tender lcoo?&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 00:39, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Urgh. Doesn't seem right that we should distinguish diesel locos and not mention steam-power. We could use a phrase such as "...steam locomotive with a tender..." (or "...steam locomotive with side tanks to carry the water...", as appropriate). I'm not sure how far we should dumb-down here! We certainly cannot assume any technical knowledge of the workings of a steam loco!]
 * And I keep being drawn back to wanting 'steam locomotive' to precede 'character' in the first sentence. Maybe if we don't link it there, we can then link 'tender loco'/'tank loco'/'diesel-electric loco'/'diesel-hydraulic loco' later on? Although it is recommended practice to link the very first occurrence, where you have a series of links I think you can get away with linking a little later -- especially for something like 'steam locomotive'. So we have:


 * "Henry the Green Engine is a fictional anthropomorphic steam locomotive character from The Railway Series books by the Rev. W. Awdry and his son, Christopher; he also appears in the spin-off television series, Thomas and Friends. Henry is a green 4-6-0 tender locomotive..."
 * Using a semi-colon in place of the 'and' (after 'Christopher') works well at breaking up the flow, I think, provided that it's clear 'he' refers to Henry and not Christopher! We might be able to drop 'character' too, but I think it's OK. Still not happy about that second sentence; still has adjacent links... -- EdJogg (talk) 11:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe we're being to pedantic about this; You mention dumbing down the technical knowledge, but for those without any background in steam locomotion, will they care enough about the actual workings? There isn't anything wrong with adjacent links so long as it scans well enough to guess which links point where. If you think it works better to have steam loco after fic.anthrop. I'd be happy just to link it I think (but drop character). The semi-colon works well.....


 * "Henry the Green Engine is a fictional anthropomorphic steam locomotive from The Railway Series books by the Rev. W. Awdry and his son, Christopher; he also appears in the spin-off television series, Thomas and Friends. Henry, a green 4-6-0 tender locomotive, is owned by the North Western Railway and carries the running number 3."
 * &mdash;MDCollins (talk) 23:40, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Perfect...
 * ..well, if you really want me to be pedantic, we mention 'green' in both sentences -- a problem that will only affect Henry, James and Edward -- but otherwise I don't think we can improve on it!
 * EdJogg (talk) 16:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good! We don't have to mention green twice if it is unnecessary... Just realised that we agreed on your talk page that TRS would not be italicised though; I've removed them in the finished example. Wikibreak for a few days now, but at least we're sorted!&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 20:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I need to read through the Thomas article properly, but what I've read seems very good. Did you mean to omit 'the' from The Railway Series in the first sentence? --EdJogg (talk) 13:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, no - well spotted. That's what you get from re-organising the existing links! Haven't touched the TV aspect or the later sections; for my money the list of model railway gauges and manufacturers can go...&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 21:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Agree about the gauges/manufacturers, although some info is not present at 'Merchandise' yet. That paragraph needs to be re-written and perhaps better summarise the Merchandise article.


 * Incidentally, going back to my original point, did you know that Rev Awdry has no less than EIGHTEEN redirects to his name? Only two have any mainspace links: "Wilbert Vere Awdry" and "W.V. Awdry". Like I said, I'm tackling them as I find them.
 * EdJogg (talk) 23:31, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * That's rather a lot, but I'm not surprised given the permutations of his name! On a similar note (sort of), I just saw your edits to the Cameo section of TRS, and wondered about the wording of the first sentence. Could we say "The Rev. W and Christopher Awdry..." instead of "The Rev. W Awdry and Christopher Awdry"? Speaking it aloud it works, but I'm not sure in print. If he wasn't titles, "Wilbert and Christopher Awdry" works fine, and is infinitely better than the reptition. What do you think?&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 12:29, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Or even "The Awdrys..."?&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 12:32, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Further cleanup...
Also, remember this page: WikiProject Thomas/Cleanup listing which you may find useful. I had forgotten we had asked for it! -- EdJogg (talk) 13:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point - lots of work to be done! I was having a look at the project page yesterday and saw that some of the rationalisation still hasn't been done (4 years after we agreed, 2 years after I was determined to make a start on it...).
 * I'll update the style guide when I get a minute tomorrow.&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 22:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * We still need to tackle the Skarloey Railway issue, although since we last discussed it, most of the main engines now have their own pages (which I have just let pass) so this should make things a little easier to resolve. I suggest we tackle other areas first!
 * EdJogg (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

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Glad you created that, going to see them play this weekend! SGGH ping! 20:04, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I started Clydesdale Bank 40 btw, couldn't find an existing article. SGGH ping! 20:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Fantastic!! Nice work - that was on the list too. The other domestic comps need a bit of attention too (something I was looking at I'm sure went to 2008. Pro40/Friends Provident need noting as former competitions etc. I'll try and make sure all the Unicorns players (that have played 1 match before ;-) have got articles too.&mdash;MDCollins (talk) 22:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
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Hi MDC,

Yep, you're absolutely right, the article seemed pretty moribund: no references, very little activity in its time as a live article. Seems to me this was simply through lack of input, rather than a redundancy of the term, however.

The redirect has resulted in a number of perverse (in the legal sense} outcomes.

- Part-time medium-pacer Steve Waugh, who in his day specialised in bowling in the closing overs of ODIs, is now tagged as a failed quick.

- Bruce Yardley - whose "technique was slightly unusual in that he bowled at near medium-pace" (fulldisclosure: yes, I have knowingly pointed this out in his article is now tagged a failed quick.

-Rohan Kanhai's part-time medium is now that of a failed quick.

I would argue that medium pace is a discipline correlated but semi-independent of Fast bowling, and should have a stand-alone article. Your thoughts on this matter? --Shirt58 (talk) 12:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your thoughts here. I've always been a bit confused by that medium pace article. To my knowledge, most of the bowlers I'd stumbled over (hadn't checked them by any means) have either linked to medium, medium or medium . Often it seems that it is hard to reference whether they are just slow non-spin bowlers, whether some are medium who swing a bit, or just plain medium. As I'm sure you're aware, once they get slightly faster than fast, they can be either medium-fast or fast-medium (I always assume the former is slower). TBH I only shoved it to fast bowling as it seemed the most comprehensive, and the parent article (hopefully) of seam bowling and swing bowling.


 * I think a look at all three to try and work out the distinctions between them would be a worthwhile project for somebody, but in the state it was in, "medium pace bowling" wasn't a lot of use to anybody, most people probably didn't know it existed (I'd never seen it before) and I didn't think it was the list box of types of cricket bowling. I now see it was (my bad) and it has affected more articles than I thought it would. If you proposed un-doing the move, I wouldn't object; maybe it just needed a better clean-up, but there has never really been much consistency. To which article would one link a slightly faster than medium bowler? It's hard to distinct between them sometimes.


 * Incidentally, I've just had a look at bowling (cricket) which fails to mention the types of bowlers at all (save in the info-type-box); the template on that page Template:Cricket positions has pace bowling and spin bowling (under the [american] category: "defensive players"; "offensive players" lists batsman, batting order and runner!, but not Merv Hughes ;-) ). Some work to be done methinks...Feel free to bring this to WT:CRIC if you want.


 * &mdash;User:MDCollins (talk) 22:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Before going to WT:CRIC, how 'bout we ask the Top Banana of all things cricket?--Shirt58 (talk) 10:18, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

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I think WP:SCHOOLS would be a good bet. I was trying to think of a way we could get more people involved in the discussion, and try and establish a stronger consensus, and that might be a good way. I don't really know what Corbynz' issue is with the list - it just seems like a no-brainer to me. He hasn't yet put up a decent argument against it, in my view. I would prefer that it didn't come to warnings and blocks, but Corbynz has already reverted three times today, whereas you and I have reverted once each. Let's hope some other editors come along and join the discussion, strengthen the consensus and Corbynz sees sense. In the meantime our case would probably look better by leaving Corbynz' version in place. If there's no advance, we can contact an admin - I can't imagine one agreeing with him. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, I have completed a general cleanup of the adopter information page for the adopt-a-user project, located here. During my cleanup, I have removed several inactive and retired users. In order to provide interested adoptees with an easy location to find adopters, it is essential that the page be up-to-date with the latest information possible. Thus:


 * If you are no longer interested in being an adopter, please remove yourself from the list.
 * If you are still interested, please check the list to see if any information needs to be updated or added - especially your availability. Thank you.


 * You are receiving this message because you are listed as an adopter here.

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WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - October 2010
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An update from adopt a user
Hi there ! You may be wondering, what have I done to sound the alarm this time? Nothing. I'm messaging you in regards to the adopt-a-user program, which currently has a backlog of users wishing to be adopted. This doesn't make much sense, as we have a considerable list of users offer adoption, so there shouldn't be any backlog. I've begun to eliminate this backlog myself through a matching program, but I need your help to make it work. Of course, adoptees and adopters don't have to go through there, but I believe it helps eliminate the backlog because someone is actively matching pairs.

On the list of adopters, I have modified the middle column to say "Interests." It's easier working with other users that have similar interests, so if it's not too much to ask, could you add your interests in the middle column? For example, if I was interested in hurricanes, computers, business, and ... reptiles? I would place those in the middle column. Counter-vandalism and the like can also be included (maintenance should be used as the general term). The more interests, the better, since adoptees can learn more about you and choose the one they feel most comfortable working with. The information about when you're most active and other stuff can go into the "Notes" section to the right.

Finally, I've gone around and asked adoptees (and will in the future) to fill in a short survey so adopters can take the initiative and contact users they feel comfortable working with. We all know that most adoptees just place the adopt me template on their user page and leave it - so it's up to us to approach them and offer adoption. So, please take a look at the survey, adopt those that fit your interests, and maybe watchlist it so you can see the interests of adoptees and adopt one that fits your interests in the future.

Once again, thank you for participating in the adopt-a-user program! If you wish to respond to this post, please message me on my talk page.

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Invitation to particpate in the December 2010 Wikification Drive
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